Best Pay Site Around ?
 

Who's the best of the best? I mean not as a sponsor but as quality pay site for the surfer. This mean newest content & girls. Latest technologies (DivX streams and such) Fully broadband ready. Intuitive and creative design.

Last I check, most have old stuff, oudated portfolios, are optimised for 56k modems.
They have banners all over the place, payme more for this feature here and there. Prehistorical navigational scheme and worse.

The main thing is that 3 years ago, when these sites invested fortunes in their content portfolio, they did not seem to grasp how fast paste changing the internet is and how demanding the new customers are.

18 months ago 56k was king, now it's old, outdated and forgotten. (The market is moving away from dial-up, even if they are still dominating for now)

What I was willing to put up with when on dial-up is one thing, because I had no choice. But now that I fully embeded into the dsl/cable mentality, I can't stand lower quality and will not pay for it.

So where is that niche? I bought a Karasxxx membership and I can tell you I am not going to renew it. They are a great sponsor, they have great content for lower connection speeds, but they are not ready for the broadband generation.

Who is?

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wiZd0m

I'd have to say Oliver Klozov - http://www.oliver-klozov.com/main.htm

This is a GREAT site without any of the bullshit, very straightforward. The picture quality is the best around, you won't find any grainy pics there. The pics are updated on a fairly regular basis. All of the pics are taken by the owner of the website, Glyn Jones. Check out the free pics section, they're perfect quality.

There's also many high quality Mpegs of the girls on his page. The quality is the best that I've seen when it comes to Mpegs. Those files will put your connection to the test, he he. You can either view smaller quicktime files or large mpegs which are huge in size, but perfect quality.

This site doesn't use the latest web designing on it, but it has some of the best quality around. I'm big on quality and I wouldn't shit ya here. I have my own membership to this site and I also promote it. I give him a couple of signups on most days. There's lots of samples and no bullshit, that's what gets people to join it. When they click to join, they're paying the membership fee, not thinking that they're gonna get a 3 day trial, then get charged big bucks at the end of the trial, it's a clean paysite.


[This message has been edited by Slick (edited 04-14-2001).]

The best by far that I've seen are the MaxCash sites and the Pussy Payments (memberssection.com) collection.

But then, I really don't like any of the ARS or CEN sites. Suppose I shouldn't say that because CEN are one of my best sponsors... I'm just not keen on their member areas. CEN have really nice content, but I found that it was hard to navigate their sites... I couldn't find my own ass inside their sites.

As for ARS, well... I found that their sites have fairly small/low quality pictures. I want them top quality... I found better quality pics for free by going to worldsex.com

Did you see how deceptive the Tara Patrick, Nikki Nova adv is? When I got in the site, Karasxxx (For these girls anyways, Nikki is awesome) I was shocked to see less than 100 pictures of them! And they even have a gallery of 3 pictures of Nikki in a hammock! 3 pictures!?!

The idea of this discussion is not to put any sites down, as I am sure thery all have their value and feature for thier targetted market. (I can't speak for the ones I haven't visited yet) Just that the ones I visited so far were not what I expected.

So who is there pushing for broadband market share? Or the bandwith bill at some point make it prohibitive from targetting that market segment?



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Wizdom the broadband market just isn't there yet. We just saw something about it on the news the other night. Quite a few people do have it but its just a small percentage. They said darn it...hmmmm, in the 20%'s I think but don't quote me! lol

As for cable networks, HAH! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif They are already bottlenecking here. We know several that have it, one being a computer expert and he has monitored his speeds and the flucuate all over the board.

Sorry I barged right in this thread. It just hit me there are alot of ppl still using 28's

I have to disagree with you Gemini on this one. According to this article, we are over 11 millions high speed subscribers: http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/computi...nd.market.idg/ thats alot of potential customers.

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wiZd0m

you really shouldn't overestimate cable/dsl users yet... dial-up is still 'it' and will be for a long time...

coz see it this way;
more and more surfers are switching to cable/dsl but who are these surfers? those surfers all live in the western world coz only there the techniques are available and most of them by far have used dial-up before they switched to cable/dsl. they surfers are mainly the hardcore internet users which spend a lot of time online and know how the internet works...

now, which surfers do you make money from? THE 'STUPID' ONES ofcourse! Coz to my opinion it's not really necessary or worth it to join paysites... you can get it all for free off usenet and filesharing... But very few people know the right places to get it! To discover those possibilities you gotta be online a lot so only the hardcore users who spend a lot of time online know and therefore won't buy memberships... and guess who they are? yes indeed, the cable/dsl users!!!

So the money is mainly with the dial-up surfers so it's not very smart to invest a lot of money to make your paysite a broadband paradise...

And even stronger;
only the western world uses internet much... and even in this part of the world there are still A LOT of potential surfers which aren't connected yet...
If slowly other continents also start to use internet like it started in the western world they will ALL start with dial-up, just like happened over here and especially these starting users are PERFECT to make money out of, coz they haven't discovered every corner of the net yet and will therefore easily buy a membership coz they think that's the only possibility to get porn on the net! so the number of dial-up users will be far more than the number of broadband users for a very long time i expect...

that's why aiming your site towards dial-up users is in general smarter than aiming it towards broadband users...

just my $0.02

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[This message has been edited by tha_timinator (edited 04-14-2001).]

Daily Telegraph 5 April 2001

UK lagging further in high-speed Net links
By Jonathan Lambeth


THE slow roll-out of high-speed internet services is leaving the UK behind almost every other advanced economy in the world, despite a multi-billion pound market opportunity.

This week internet research company NetValue claimed the UK was nearly bottom of a league table of consumer high-speed internet connections, known as broadband, with only China having a lower percentage of households connected.

The report said: "The UK is still lagging far behind Asia, Europe, and the US in home broadband connections. In the UK, one in 32 online households use broadband. In South Korea more than one in two have this connection and in the US it is one in nine. In France, it is one in 16."

South Korea is a prime example of what happens when people are able to access the internet at high speed, according to NetValue. The vast majority of households downloaded video, audio or played games via internet connections over the past month. Only about 70,000 homes in the UK have either ADSL or cable modem connections, which offer high-speed internet access over standard copper telephone lines.

It is not just consumers that are missing out. John Abbott, analyst at the telecoms consultancy Centre for Market Analysis (CMA), estimates there is a market worth £5 billion for DSL connections, which can combine voice calls with high-speed internet access, among the 1.8m small and medium businesses that spend a significant amount of money on telecoms.

Mr Abbott said: "Unfortunately, BT has played the game very well and seems to have much of the market scooped. The only reason that demand does not seem to be there is because the service is barely available yet."

The best chance for telecoms companies, he said, was to pick only high-demand areas, such as cities, and market their service very aggressively if they had any chance to compete with BT's established operations. However, a number of medium-sized telecoms companies were hitting difficulties because they had anticipated BT providing them with services much sooner, he said.

Those pics of Tara Patrick and Nikki Nova were most likely shot by Suze Randall.

Check out http://www.suzerandall.com

Extremely high quality photos.
Lots of pornstar photos.

Unfortunately, Suze doesn't have an affiliate program. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif

jeez, that suze site is nice...

how come she doesn't do affiliates? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif

Actually Shocker Suze Randall does have an affiliate program. She lends you some pictures and you give her traffic. Check it out: http://www.suze.net/pics4clicks/

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wiZd0m

http://209.10.246.226/adserver/maxim.../kafpa132a.jpg

this is the publicity I was talking about. I have the ful one on my site here: http://www.fortunepussy.com

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wiZd0m

2 for Oliver. His mpegs are great. I haven't seen any like them at other pay sites.

I watch em full screen and they look good.

If you're gonna sign up, do me a favor and stop by dailynaked.com and sign up through one of the banners.

Peace,
Pete Dogg

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Wizdom, that report was based on some ones estimates of actual homes or whatever connected. Like the rest of the are saying to, you want to build your sites to perform well for perhaps one fifth of the surfer pool? I still can't remember the actual persentage, it shocked me as high, but I was thinking when they first started that they'd say like 5%. So I'm a ditzy redhead!

But I agree with Timinator, hit the newbies for the cash. They are paying 10-20 month to get online so might feel more prone to some extra expenses to justify going online at all! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

When I was camming it was usually latenight and I was amazed at the members telling me they snuck out of bed to come chat. Sheesh. Some were still on 14.4's last year. But had hopes to swap a buddy for a 28 or 33 sooner or later. We'll stick with non hi speed people until that percentage hits at least 75%, and then still keep a dialup side to it even then.

I'm not too sure there is no market. If you take niche sites for exemple, I don't think they are targetting a huge amount of surfers, rather just one segment. If they can live, survive and make a profit, for sure, one can niche the broadband market.

----- Lensman -----
Whats the AP Fast versus Slow connections ratio? It would be interesting to know. [If it's confidential data or you don't disclose such information (or if you actually don't agregate such data) it's ok.]



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wiZd0m

i'll vote along with Slick & Pete Dogg... 3 for Oliver Klozov... he has very high quality content. plus he offers a very nice selection of free samples. no misleading signups there.



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first off the only people that buy anthing online are american. second of all do you think surfer is stupid enough to pay 30 bucks a month on a paysite when he can get broadband cable for the same price?

If someone doesn't have the money for broadband or a decent computer then they don't have the money to pay for a paysite.

sweetjimmy, Canadians buy online as well.

I think dial up surfers pay for porn. You'd be amazed at how much extra money there is to see porn. It's like beer. Even broke folks have beer.


Peace,
Pete Dogg

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Hey !!

The UK buys online too.

people with 56k buy videos they don't sign up for paysites with livefeeds and webcams that takes hours to load with their shitty connection. It takes 15 minutes to download a son on napster. thats only a minute or two of decent video surfer can download. One thing thats for sure is that modem man does not get recurring memberships.

Like every kind of e-commerce only people with money to burn order shit online.

The Uk doesn't buy fuckall, neither does canada. I sold over 40 porn videos this month and i get the name and address of the person who buys. Not one buyer was from Canada or the Uk. Alot of the men were asian males, and you can bet asian males wouldn't be caught dead with 56k. Still the best option would be to buy a video for 9.99 than pay for a paysite. I've seen avs' and paysites, almost all of them are a ripoff.

All that 56k traffic is shit. The only good traffic is young working males who are young enough not to give a fuck who gets their Visa #.

It takes forever to ship stuff from the US to Canada. Probably why you didn't sell any to Canadians. And there are 10 times the amount of people in the US then in Canada.

I agree a huge portion of the "desired" consumers are American.
But their are places like Australia and England with big populations of english speaking well off people. So I wouldn't write them off.
Everyone shares a love for porn http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Peace,
Pete Dogg

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