Dialers - Good or bad ethics?
 

I wanted to try out the dialer thing for a long time.
These are the problems I have with it:
I think its ripping people off they pay $2-5 a minute and I get 35 cents.
I know a lot of people say that the surfer has to answer yes 2 or 3 times before he can connect to the paysite, but how many newbie surfers actually read the terms before they connect if they a sitting with a major hard on and just want some hardcore action.
If they are connected for 10 min. it cost them $30 and for that price they could get a month to a paysite.
But my major concern is kids they can get in to a paysite with no problems and imaging the problems when the phonebill arrives with and its on $500 becourse of dialers!!
But on the other hand I would like to make the most of my sites!
A lot of people makes a lot of money from dialers.
Have any of you had any thought about before you did/didn´t put dialers up on your site?

On another note thanks for a great board just joined but I guess I´ll be here for a long time.

Sorry but if the surfer does not read anything at all just clicks accept to the warnings i have no problem with them using a dialer and racking up a big phone bill, the dialers cut off after 20 min i believe so surfers do not get a $10000 phone bill unless he keeps using it day after day bypassing the every day.

I agree they are very bad.. Get rid of em.
That way less people will use em, and more minutes for me.

Your site links window popping browser crashing jerk circles anyway so you might as well finish the job with a fuck load of dialers. You need to pop one on the entry and two on the exit to do the job properly.

This will ensure that every visitor gets fucked to the max level without leaving any holes for the patient ones. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Yeah I just added a few dialers as well.
But my exit popup don´t hurt anybody they have the choice to close them and it won´t cost them anything.
But I think my greed took over and I added the dialers.

I just talked to someone, who was promoting a new at&t approved (so he says) dialer system which bills the user only 99 cents a minute and has a $25 limit per daily download

it sound like the webmaster can expect a similar return ie- 25-35 cents per minute

I think dialers are very very very bad.
Would be good and cool a dialer charging like $50 per use. He get a one month membership (to a regular paysite) filling a form and we webmasters get $30 or $35. (only one use allowed per month). But I don't think thats possible.

I tried a dialer for a little while, but felt guilty and scrapped it.

To be honest though, the people who used it were very reasonable with the time they spent.

If you take into consideration that most non-americans don't have CC's, or are statistically alot less likely to use them online (Canadians) - maybe a dialer helps 'em out. I mean if they can afford it, more power to 'em.

almost same thing with paysites - they get a trial ign up for 1$, dont read ToS, get billed 40$ after 3 days.

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Ok, I said this before in detail but here's the short version:

Based on studies and my own experience from checking the logfiles stat sheets etc....

The surfer that uses the dialer spends about as much on dialer minutes as he/she would have with a regular CC membership.

So I have no problems with it whatsoever http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

Wolfshade




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Personally, I have no problems with dialers. As long as the surfer knows what they're getting into - although most are too horny to care about the disclaimer, I suspect that they WILL care when the phone bill arrives. That is when the trouble begins.

The problem I see with it at the moment, is why are they so expensive? $5/min is just extreme! The surfer gets 10 minutes whacking off for $50, or 2 months whacking off for the same price on a paysite.

Yes there is the problem of kids finding it to download porn, but as 99.9% of dialers are advertised on porn sites, they would have already have found quite a bit of porn before downloading and running the dialer. Same story with the password sites and free sites, tgps, link lists, etc.

I could not have said this better myself.... if these kids were not already on porn sites then they would have no way or method of finding dialers to begin with. THIS is what people need to keep in mind when putting ANY sponsor down about the accessibility to children. The kids are already deep into porn sites or places they shpouldn't be or they would never have seen these dialers.

I, at one point, felt very guilty about the whole dialer thing... and I debated long and hard about taking a job with a Dialer Program.... BUT I thought about it alot. and if the parents do not want to monitor their kids or if they are so horny that they do not want to read the terms, then I am not going to be too concerened with them and their phone bills.

I know this sounds a bit on the harsh side but WE have bills to pay in this too and if they don't care then why in the hell should I, or we.... or you. or whomever?

I feel no more guilty with the dialers now than I would if I was running any other type of sponsor program........ No I wouldn't pay $5 a minute to view porn, but I wouldn't pay $30 a month to view it either......... if the guy, or gal, is horny, I don't think they give a damn what they are paying as long as they get it.

LOL

Sorry... I am pmsing........ it's Friday the 13th and I am a bit in a shitty mood, but I wasn't trying to be nasty about this.... just saying it like it is.

Tam

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Yeah, just to think, some webmasters make 10's of thousands off dialers, and only get 35 cents a minute, ouch http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif

Anyways, saying that dialers are ripping people off just as much as a paysite is very untrue, and dialers definately will hurt the adult industry in the long run.

But, if you have a high traffic cj site, your conversions on sponsors could be 1 in 3000, and you're losing that traffic as well. So dialers are your way of making money, and I can assure you that you won't make that much off exit sponsors alone. But then again, it's your decision. I personally think that they're a rip off.

35cents to the webmaster is a rippoff!!!

The webmasters that pay 35cents out are resellers for one of the big 3 networks. i know one that pays 70cents per min wink wink http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif.

dialerking, how much money do you make anyways, and how many webmasters use your program.

Anyways Tam, if you're trying to say that people wouldn't pay 30 dollars a month for a paysite, but they're willing to pay 10 bucks for a video, or 200 dollars on a stripper???

I'm sure lots would pay 30 dollars for the live streaming vids, movies and hundreds of thousands of pics.

[This message has been edited by MattressKing (edited 04-14-2001).]

MattressKing.. I did NOT say surfers wouldn't pay it. I said I would not pay it.... Surfers will buy into anything that turns them on if they have a hard dick in one hand........ I, myself do not SURF porn and never have!!! And I never said that paysites were a ripoff, I simply said I would never pay $5.00 a minute to surf porn, nor would I pay $30 a month for membership to one..... I also didn't compare the two........

As for dialers being unethical..... that is all a matter of opinion I suppose. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

As for us making 35cents a minute....... or 70c a minute when the surfer is paying $5.00 a minute.... there are several issues behind that and unless you have gone into that side of it, you probably wouldn't get it... for the people who MAKE these dialers... there are chargebacks THEY have to deal with, the costs of the dialers and all of the other little things that no one sees. WE pay none of this so I guess it kind of balances out........ I would rather make the 35cents a minute than to make $2.00 a minute and have to foot the bill for all the chargebacks........ that's the risky side. If Joe Blow doesn't want to pay the phone bill at the first of the month, then who do you think has to cover that? Just think about that one for awhile.... and then the 35-70cents a minute doesn't sound so bad.

Unethical........ nahhh........ some people would say that porn in itself is unethical.... and some would say that getting high is unethical.... drinking.............. there is always someone there to say whatever you do is unethical on some level....... I say whatever you do and makes you still be able to sleep with yourself at night....... go for it........ http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Dialers are an excellent source of income and have been for quite sometime.. and I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon..... that's what everyone said about the 1-900 numbers years ago, and they are still here!!

Just my opinions on the matter is all. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Tam

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Good job tam, another time you just proved you're right, not http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

Porn is somewhat unethical, but dialers are rip offs.

Oh yeah, sorry I missed you say that you wouldn't pay 30 a month for porn, but I doubt many adult webmasters would http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

BTW tam, you also talk too much http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif




[This message has been edited by MattressKing (edited 04-14-2001).]

I'm offended at all you cocksnots implying that porn in unethical.

Porn is no different from Baywatch, Soap Operas, TV commercials, magazines, music...

We're selling sexual entertainment, just to a greater degree and more openly. Some of us are ethical and some not, just like in any other business.

(did you really think anyone watched Baywatch for the brilliant storylines?!?!)

[This message has been edited by Warphead (edited 04-14-2001).]

lol, doesn't david hasslehough write the storylines http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

Ol' Dave looks like one of those 80's pornstars now that you mention it! Ya think he's Peter North's brother?

MattressKing..... dialers are ripoffs? The surfer is TOLD what he will pay.... several times on all of the dialers I have used or seen..... and if that surfer doesn't want to read it then this would be HIS problem, not mine.

I talk too much? Ok, then don't read it... that again is YOUR CHOICE.... am I unethical because you persist on reading every word I say? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/tongue.gif

No porn is not unethical to ME...... but to some of the people in the world.. almost every one of them..... SOMETHING is always going to be unethical.... any one person you talk to is going to have something that they personally think is unethical.. but in MY mind........ if YOU are cool with it and can live with yourself, then go for it!! If you aren't cool with it then don't do it.... that's just how I feel about just about anything. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Tam



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lol, I only read half your posts.

BTW, you're going to hell.

I know the surfer gets warned they will have to pay, but do they get warned about the per minute price?

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Hey Mattress, ol Mike writes some or did... But *I* would write corny storylines too if I knew someone would produce them! Then *I* too would be a millionaire like he is and sleep in happily knowing you rushed out of bed to check all your stats for nickel clicks! lmFao

[This message has been edited by Gemini (edited 04-16-2001).]

Yes pete they do!

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Here is the disclaimer in one of our dialers:

"DIAL UP SERVICE


Warning: You must be eighteen (18) years of age or older to use this
service.
If you are eighteen (18) years of age or older and have read the following
terms of service in full, click on the -->I Agree<-- button below. By
clicking the -->I Agree<-- button, you are acknowledging that you are
eighteen (18) years of age or older and have read the following terms of
service in full.

No credit card is required to access this service, you will only be
charged on a per minute basis on you phone bill for a premium rate
telephone call.

Please read the following license agreement carefully. You must accept the
agreement to continue to use the Dial-Up Service.

- By performing the setup you will install the software on your computer
desktop.
- By choosing this as a payment method for this content, you will download
proprietary software to your computer's hard drive.
- By using the software, your computer will terminate the modem
connection to your usual internet service provider.
- Your modem will then dial a premium rate or international long-distance
telephone number and establish a long distance telephone connection
with a remote location outside of the country of origin.
- International long distance telephone charges apply. The rate that you
will incur depends on the country you are calling from.
- International Long distance telephone calls apply.
Pls consult with your Long distance Operator.

Other countries: Please contact your International long distance operator.
All prices are per minute prices.

- If you are under 18 years of age, 21 in some locations, or if it is
illegal to view adult material in your community, leave now. We are not
held responsible for your actions and we are not acting, in any way, to
send you this information, you are choosing to receive it. Continuing
further means that you understand and accept responsibility for your
actions, releasing the creators and designers of the web page, the
billing company and our service provider from all liability.

- You agree to indemnify and hold the billing company, and its
subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, and agents or other partners,
harmless from any claim or demand, including reasonable attorneys' fees,
made by any third party due to or arising out of Content you access
through use of this service, your connection to the Service, or your
violation of any rights of another.

By using the software & entering this web site you are making the
following statements:

"I affirm that as of this moment, I am an adult at least 18 years of age,
21 years of age in some locations".

"I understand that when I gain access to this site, I will be exposed to
visual images, verbal descriptions and audio sounds of a sexually oriented,
frankly erotic nature, which may include graphic visual depictions and
descriptions of nudity and sexual activity. I am voluntarily choosing to
do so, because I want to view, read and/or hear the various materials
which are available, for my own personal enjoyment, information and/or
education".

"I promise that I will not permit any person(s) under the age of 18, 21 in
some locations, to have access to any materials contained within this site".

"I can stop receiving such material at any time by logging off now and not
returning".

"I have released and discharged the providers, owners, creators and
operators of this site from any and all liability which might arise".

You understand that all information, data, text, software, music, sound,
photographs, graphics, video, messages or other materials ("Content"),
whether publicly posted or privately transmitted, are the sole
responsibility of the person from which such Content originated. We are not
responsible for any material you may view using this service. The billing
company does not control the Content posted via the Service and, as
such, does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of such
Content. Under no circumstances will the billing company be liable in
any way for any Content, or for any loss or damage of any kind incurred
as a result of the use of any Content posted, emailed or otherwise
transmitted via the Service.

Understanding the billing costs

- Once connected, the telephone connection can be cancelled in the
following manner:

a) By selecting the modem symbol, located on the lower right side of the
Windows 95/98/NT task bar, and clicking on the "DISCONNECT"
button, or
b) By clicking on the "DISCONNECT" button on the dialogue box.

- Please note that in most cases you will have an unrestricted internet
connection while using this service. While you are free to connect to
any standard internet services, please be aware that you will continue
to be billed until you have met one of the conditions listed above,
even afterleaving the content area you initially selected from the
menu.

If you have any questions, please email the webmaster

Thank you for downloading."

As you can see they are warned over and over again...... and they MUST scroll all the way to the bottom on this particular dialer to be able to hit the I accept button. So if they don't read it, then this would be fault of their own.

Tam

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Where does it give the pricing in the sequence of things? Before or after this disclaimer?