Serious question here folks...Re: Moving to another Country
 

If i move to lets say Australia , or Panama , or anywhere .... If i renounce my US Citizenship and become citizen of the new country basically Asskroft cant touch me correct?

Also I am implying moving everything out of US , servers , and so on.

Correct?

Sounds about right. However, if the US gov really wanted you they would simply go in and take you out.

sounds like you need Jackie Chiles phone number...

Depends

yes, you can't have a legal residence here. also look for countries where they don't let the US look at the bank records. I.E. Antigua:)

Also look for a country that has no extradition aggreement with the U.S.

Really not sure about that one ... but most likely :)

I HIGHLY doubt that they are coming to get you for having a few porn sites, because it's not a crime...

if you make more than $75,000 a year they do. the most important thing is .. if you go and make a shitload of money, don't come back

It's not the porn they usually come after you for, it's the taxes and other little things people sometimes forget to pay or whatever before they leave the US or any other petty crime that the US Govt. uses to bring people back.

Question: if you denounce your American citizenship would you do allowed back into the country for business/family? I would never want to be "banned" from a country.

I would imagine you would just have to apply for a Visa issued through your new resident country.

it's all about taxes and shit. that's the jist of it all

Just move to Canada :glugglug

Planning on a life of crime, Juicy?

If they suspect you of renouncing because you dont want to pay US taxes then they wont let you until you pay 10 years estimated federal income tax..this country sucks shit now

http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/23/news...kers/ceo_flee/

According to http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/912612.htm
these are the countries with no extradition treaties.

Afghanistan
Gabon
Philippines
Algeria
Guinea
Qatar
Angola
Guinea Bissau
Rwanda
Bahrain
Indonesia
Samoa
Bangladesh
Iran
Sao Tome e Principe
Benin
Ivory Coast
Saudi Arabia
Bhutan
Jordan
Senegal
Botswana
Kuwait
Somalia
Brunei
Laos
Sudan
Burkina Faso
Lebanon
Syria
Burundi
Libya
Togo
Cambodia
Madagascar
Tunisia
Cameroon
Mali
Uganda
Cape Verde
Maldives
USSR
Central African Republic
Mauritania
United Arab Emirates
Chad
Mongolia
Vanuatu
China
Morocco
Vietnam
Comoros
Mozambique
Yemen
Djibouti
Nepal
Yemen South
Equatorial Guinea
Niger
Zaire
Ethiopia
Oman
Zimbabwe

Nomatter where you are. If they find you they will put you on quantanamo bay....

Vanuatu = I might move there next april :) Its under fidgi island:)

http://www.vanuatu.net.vu/offshore.html :Graucho

Its a tropical paradise with no tourism . You cannot go there and start your own compagny without the help of a local ...

My GF has lived there half of her life and her grandparents are still there ...

It was named #2 best place for a honey moon by cnn but they also said that you CANNOT go there because there is no tourism .

There are about 80 islands . I would work for the governement incorporating a inter-island database for the insurance and things like that .

And I would also still work in porn and have my designs print running in canada :)

Climat is just perfect as well :)

I am seriously thinking about moving out of the U.S.

You don't necessarily have to drop your U.S. citizenship. AssClown can always try to get you regardless of whether you are a citizen or not. Marc Rich did exactly that. He left the U.S., became a Spainish citizen and moved to Switzerland. The U.S. government still went after him, but without any success.

Personally, I have narrowed down my choices to Vancouver, San Jose (Costa Rica), Prague, Rio, and Budapest. All businesses not directly generating income in the U.S. would be located in a third party tax free (or reduced) jurisdiction and all U.S. assets would be owned by a foreign entity via a Nevada or Delaware corporation.

The U.S. isn't a very special place anymore. Most of the materialist stuff that makes the U.S. fun is now available almost everywhere: Cable TV, NFL, cool shopping, etc. is worldwide.

They have a tourism office...
http://www.vanuatutourism.com/

Don't want to may more in taxes? Simple solution .... Vote for Bush.

Did you get the letter too? :(

There is one corporate island . the 82 others do not want any tourism . The biggest island have 80 000 persons on it .

But there is literally no tourism at all :)

you guys know astoundingly little about living abroad

2 resources you need
www.escapefromamerica.com
www.internationalliving.com
:) :) :) :)

That is wrong. Our budget deficit is larger than ever. How do you expect for the U.S. pay? Higher taxes.

Cutting spending would work just as well.

Since when has Bush ever cut spending?

well with Australia, the United States could request your extradition (they have requested the extradition of an australian involved with software piracy), whether Australia obliges is a different story but they are pretty chummy and like to suck up to the US so there's *some* risk there.

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juicylinks:

Yes.. the "citizenship" is the problem. This has to be firmly renouced and all ties broken. Tho I've heard of people wanting to do this and whoever in the government rejects their kind offer :-)

If you are a citizen of another country and, unless you do stuff like "money laundering", drugs or arms trafficking or murdering folks - the US is not gonna have an easy time playing games with you :-) And, unless they kidnap you from that country - which has been known in the past, - you got no problems. (A number of countries have broken diplomatic ties over this "kidnapping" shit and seems the US has promised to behave in future - that rarely is a problem these days.)

When you are "free" of the baggage - you can do much! :winkwink:

Webby, I remember reading you were setting up a sort of offshore webmaster community, how is that coming along? What's the cost of living like there?

AgentCash:

:glugglug Still working on that - the whole project is massive and is taking longer than we ever thought. It involves a load of stuff from an eco lodge to conference centre and community homes. It's progressing well - the planning stage is where the most work is and the aim is to complete that by year end. And yea .. I ain't forgot about the comms infrastructure!! :winkwink:

I'll post more as we progress - this stuff is ideal for "mobile" folks and offers a lot in the background!

AgentCash:

Cost of living is... nothing! :winkwink: You can have a domestic staff - maid, cook, gardener full time for about $1000/month or less pro rata, depending on how much you want em to do.

In fact.. one of my friends here has about 8 people in his house - a maid for each family member and a "lady who sews" *g*, two gardeners/chauffeurs - he is paying out $1000/month for them.

The rest of the "costs of living" are pro rata - stuff like fruit is peanuts - banannas are 3 cents each etc.. tho some imported stuff is costs more. Booze is cheap..

USSR is on that list :eek7

Update that bloody list already!

Webby: Where's this? What's Internet access looking like at a place like you're talking about?

It's not that easy, let's say you already moved in, everything's going just fine, then it hits you..... you have to learn how to adjust in your new sorroundings, earn new friends, and learn their culture. It'll be rough but I know yu can make it. Nothing's impossible with you, juicy.:)

Shit!!! I want to live in paradise and have a servant staff for $1000/month!!! PLEASE!!?!?!

I don't know if it still exists but their was a max income or asset level that if you were over it you could not renounce your citizenship. Artist were moving to Ireland for the tax free status on artists and the US was cracking down on it. Lost too many million dollar authors.

i'll be your bodyguard :winkwink: :winkwink:

Strange, I thought that you were also safe in Germany.

You do not want to renounce your US Citizenship. You may need it someday. Even if you do so and the IRS thinks your doing so to evade taxes, they CAN still tax you for 10 years after you renounce your Citizenship. Uncle Sam has a strong hold on his people.

Just move someplace you want to live, make sure your not going to get double taxed while living there, move your sites out of the states and enjoy your life. You also get a $80,000.00 tax break from the US after your first year (300 something days) of living and earning money abroad.

wrong, but nice try :)

Juicy if you ever need a contact in Australia to help you just hit me up. You have my ICQ #

Yes!
Cutting spending would be one way to go, however Bush has decided to spend a shitload of money attacking Iraq.

Wouldn't that money be better spent hunting terrorists???

Which countries are going to be are next targets (under his iraq criteria)? We've got a lot of countries to invade in order to establish democracy and freedom and to prevent weapons of mass destruction from being developed in countries that we don't control.

So, Iraq is first and then what country is next??? Maybe Bush had some other agenda??? Why stop with iraq? That scumbag (Bush) deserves to have his nuts ripped off with pliers.

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/wmd_state.htm


Even if we decided to spend this money in other ways (as opposed to attacking a sovereign country) we have many options:

http://costofwar.com/index-world-hunger.html


So, basically it should be clear to you that Bush isn't trying to "cut spending" in any way but he would like for the country to spend money it doesn't have in order to promote his agenda. I hope you can "cash in" like he will with his agenda because we will all be paying for this idiot for as far as we can see!

Juicy....
Yeah with you on that one...we own a butt load of old content and new content. We talk about that all the time. Just keep 3 copies of all your records around, pay your tax's, and fly below the radar...

We just bought property in Panama...and looks very good on the beach working sounds very nice to us.

Talk to your accountant and your lawyer for sure.

I've gotta ask... what letter?

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