Court ready to rule on Net porn
 

Feel the fucking love

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5248357.html


"If it's upheld, there will be a shock wave," said Ann Beeson

If COPA is upheld as constitutional, the effect on adult Web sites would vary, depending on the wording of the court's opinion. One possibility is that all commercial Web sites would be prohibited from putting up "teaser" images: COPA says Webmasters who employ measures such as credit card verification or require an "adult access code" can't be prosecuted, as these would typically keep out minors.

Teaser images, the end of TGPs and free porn as we know it??

Canadian webmasters would now have the upper hand.. :)

yes that would be the case

american sites.. but then again.. you would probably only be able to promote sites using EU visa on (non-us) TGPs..

americans are idiots

So, then all the TGPs move to Non US servers
and problem is solved.

More like the end of free AMERICAN porn online.
Instead of being a godsend that shoots conversion ratios through the roof - all affiliate business will move out of the country.

:feels-hot

I would take that if it meant keeping them off our backs.

this could be the case, ya could move offshore..

but the US has some new special laws that basically say we are sooo special that if we decide your a threat we can go into your country and esentually kidnap you and then hold you with out charging you. Pretty kewl what the patriot act has done .

NO ONE IS SAFE ANYWHERE

the sky IS falling

or the government leans on Visa to make sure it is following the US law for all US citizens and thus reaches aroud the world globally and pretty much kills porn.

And dont think that the Gov cant pull that off cuzz it would be cake

they could rule as early as monday morning:waaaaahh :waaaaahh

hmm, thats good for me because im in australia, but its bad for me because im hosted in the US

The sky is not falling. The US isn't about to risk losing it's allies trying to arrest their porn peddlers.

Does this mean that all the freeloaders will no longer be able to access free porn and actually have to pay for it..I would say YEAH!

Lol...Unless your huge they wouldn't spend the resources to come to Canada and bust us :glugglug

no it will just move offshore

but I would doubt that.. only if you are a threat to the "lives" of americans... ex. a terrorist threat... Otherwise.. that would be complete science fiction and Canada for exemple would never allow that...

It could make everybody censor everything:warning

I know I was just pointing out how retarded US Gov is

The courts have struck this down time and again for the past 5 years, so hopefully they will stick to that stance.


VOTE KERRY.

Nope it will just make everyone move offshore

If we were forced to put shiny stars over all offensive stuff conversions would skyrocket - but offshore competition would kill us.

yes thats true
and

YES

I am going to double my efforts and get the SoBeGirl Productions line of DVDs going full steam soon...

I'm aware and I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Unfortunately, the US government is the one to regulate an unregulated system.

I hope it passes this time, my business wil grow several hundred percent

I hear surprisingly little talk about this from webmasters.

If COPA is upheld:
It is the end of U.S. free sites.
It is the end of U.S. TGPs

WTF are people who've built hundreds of free sites going to do?

My prediction is it won't be upheld. The last Supreme Court decision is so complex (mutiple different opinions) that it makes your head spin, but my overall impression was the votes are probably there to strike COPA down.

Vote KERRY so Bush can't appoint more conservatives to the Supreme Court.

The rumor was Sandra Day O'Connor wanted to retire. But if she holds out until 2005 then Kerry could nominate her replacement.

from a sponsor standpoint, I'm thrilled
from a submitter, webmaster point, I'm a little worried
but overall, this could lead to better conversions...

:winkwink:

:uhoh

Well that's my thought. Say you are EU and using CCBillEU what would this do to you? Probably squat as long as you are hosted offshore as well.

Visa will follow ... :)

For the record... 123BILL is the only system out there that can provide true age verification. This service can be purchased on a per transaction basis, seperate from those who wish to use 123BILL for billing and age verification together. Want to learn more? Give me a shout!

Cheers! :winkwink:

Brad

I sell cheap dedicated servers located in a datacenter directly connected to the Amsterdam Internet Exchange. :winkwink:

LegendaryLars:


You said it! Dangerous shit. :thumbsup

Totally agree about offshore - tho there is a real messy scenario on this for US webmasters - ie the US govt has ya by the bollocks from birth to grave and wants to know *everything* and file tax returns wherever you are in the world. Kinda defeats the purpose of "offshore" :-) Tho there are ways
:winkwink:

Fabuleux:

Yep - only a matter of time before BW is being pumped there! :winkwink:

I've been COPA comliant for a v long time now...so I'm not too worried...

however, if they rule in favor of COPA it will be a sad day for the 1st Amendment


my bet is that they WILL rule in favor of COPA this time, my rationale is that with all the recent Visa pullouts and other large companies pulling out of the lucrative adult online biz processing (paypal, card services, etc) ...that this is just the writing on the wall that those companies got some word from high up that it was going to be upheld this time...and to get out now before they get slammed with RICO (conspiracy) type charges....I'm sure they opted for the safe route and hit the road...



//goes to buy wagersoncopa.com

Nothing really to much to worry about...

Off shore hosting is pretty solid.. It's easy to get domains under a management company in another country..

Wasn't it Clinton that first signed off on COPA years ago?

YES

What part of the 1st Amendment do stupid lawmakers not understand?

Forget the money part of this for a second and think about your freedom.

This law is extremely broad and subjective. Anything that is offensive to anyone's child could be illegal under the law.

It would be a very bad day for freedom in America if it passed as written.

Freedom is more important than money.

If you're an American citizen moving off shore is not an option unless you never return home.

Thinking this will close down the pron industry is defeatist talk. Bush and Ashhahahahaha might not be the sharpest tools in the box but they know if they shut down porn in the US they could not get elected as the town dog catchers.

Too many Americans buy porn on the Net and they want to kep their jobs. While looking to be tough on porn.

charly:

Agree charly!

I am offshore and the place is already flooded with US webmaster "escapees" :winkwink:

yes he was

"COPA says Webmasters who employ measures such as credit card verification or require an "adult access code" can't be prosecuted, as these would typically keep out minors"

so we are going back to CCs as a mean of age verification? :Graucho

just because you have a ton of bookmarks :winkwink:

they'd end up behind free avs sites

You buggers better not think of moving here now...Walrus is scarce and the ice for our igloos is at a premium...

First you just can't move a server offshore you would have to move with it because if they trace the money back to the US you are fucked in the ass hard. Also the US owns the bulk of the adult trade on the net , I dont think that will stop but people will have to clean up their act. I have had a nonnude tour for 3yrs , sales went up enough for me to come home full time for over 2 yrs now. All free sites we have are non nude you want nude you pay. For years you couldnt see shit till you paid. Go walk into a dirty book and take the plastic off the magazine and say I want to look at it first. They will throw you out on your ass lol. If it happens its mostly big corporate porns fault my emailbox is filled with graphic pics everyday from American companies not overseas but our industry only thinks about money today and not the future well the future is coming to bite you on the ass. lol