CCBILL just got 1000% worse over the date change .. again ;)
 

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My worst ratio ever ... and AGAIN, as mentioned before, these strange MEGA holes without sales happenes right after they change date in their system..

But sadly I've reached the point where I can't do anything but laugh about it ...

Send more traffic :1orglaugh

It's your marketing. Oh, wait, that one is already taken by ARS.

I'm glad that someone can laugh with me :)

:)

Trust me, there is nothing wrong with my marketing.

Going from 1:1k to 1:9k in a couple of hours is the only problem I see ..

1:9k :helpme

hmm thats sucks... :(

I went from 0 sales on a program i send no traffic to - to 34 sales and 14 rebills. This shows up in stats remote but cant seem to make it show up from the CCBILL admin interface. Anyone else have a prob like that ?

CCbill is done I belive the rats have packed and are leaving I know I am. Im sick of going from 20 sales a day to 0 the next and being told its just shit that happens , hey Ive been doing this for 6 years now and I dont know my traffic and sponsors.
We are way past due for a decent cascading billing system.
Hey when I cant even sign up with my own card something is wrong.
You can not have a real buisness plan and use CCbill

Look at it this way why do people use CCBill in the first place?

What others are there?

IBill are they any better because i've seen the same things said about them?

Basically we're being screwed left right and center why can't billing processors just be what there meant to be?

Lack of regulation in this business about time we got some don't you think?

Why don't you stop the whining and sign up with Epoch instead?! :)

I'm an affiliate, not a site holder..

But I have 3 paysites coming up - and trust me, CCBILL ain't going to ruin that adventure for me

ccbill as processor

Adware Remover Gold 15 126 1:8
Evidence Cleaner Gold 4 18 1:5

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Ok, now its not funny anymore... this MUST be an error .. and why am I not told about in my email!

:1orglaugh :feels-hot :thumbsup :mad:

good traffic soul rebel :thumbsup

is this hurting site owners? i have heard of site owners using ccbill who are getting no ref signups when they have NEVER sent any of their own traffic to the site (only from affiliates who are getting scammed.)

lol
you beat my ugliest day ever... for a lot.

ARS stole that from MaxCash :1orglaugh

It definetaly seems harder and harder to get initial signups anymore with anybody.

Ouch, I had my first 0 sale day with ccbill yesterday, and nothing so far today also.

Thats not what I'm seeing .. I convert well with the other programs I use

I have seen posts on GFY that ccbill can lose up to 30% of the sales based off cookies. I did read they now also use an IP tracking, not sure if that is true or not. But Yes, this happens...
not sure what the percent will be now that they use (if it is true) IP tracking. This is the reason we use our own affiliate program now.

i see you host the tour in your server,this might be a problem. Double check it to be sure.

Do you wear a tinfoil hat too?

What problems do you know about from an affiliate hosting a tour?

Ok, i normally dont like these posts because i tend to think the problem is on my side but if i simply compare long term stats for the last few months to the last 2 weeks with ccbill its simply pathetic. I dont think EVER in my history of being online my sales are this bad. Last month my ccbill ratios werent over 1:1000, usually way better and were talking quite some sales. Last few weeks im seeing 1:5000 or worse way too often. Just unbelievable. It pisses me off and i dont know whats wrong. If its indeed ccbill or just me. I think i even hit 1:8000 last week with sponsors that were doing like 1:500 with many sales not too long ago.

It's easy to make fun when you aren't in his shoes. Having to rely on being an affiliate sometimes just sucks, you don't have any control after your traffic leaves your sites. It's things like this that have made so many people start their own paysites (saturating things more and more) because at least then they are in the driver's seat, so to speak.

I wanted to assure myself of the iptracking - but when I contacted them regarding this, I was told 'it's something they are looking into' that it's not implemented. I hope corvett can clarify this.

If there were real problems, then the paysite owners would be screaming bloody murder to Ccbill, and ccbill would listen to us; since we pay them a hell of a lot of money every month.

No program wants affiliates to avoid them due to legitimate processing issues- look at what happened to mpa2.

My concern is that there are a few conspiracy theorists making a lot of noise, and hurting the integrity of both ccbill and programs using them; without checking their own back yards first.
There are all sorts of possible explanations- but blaming others in a public forum should never be at the top of anyone's list.

Now that would be an extra improvement to ameliorate the cookie loss.

The only problem is that dialup users connect using dynamic IPs.

Was with a company that trialed ccbill, verotel, jettis, epoch, probilling, Ibill.

Simulated the experience of an affiliate, and rotated clicks evenly between all 6 of the processors for a million or so click throughs.

Of course CCbill finished around 25% lower than the others, jettis, epoch and ibill came in around the same, probilling was a little lower, but the surprise was that verotel had a ratio that was a good 30% better than the others! This is around a year ago, but still ... ;)

European aol members have their ip change with every click

I can back you up, over the past 7 days my ratio works out to be 1:14429. Normally it's better than 1:1000. "Worst ever" ratio measured over a week was never more than about 1:3000, so something is very, very wrong. I have never seen anything like this in the 1 1/2 years I've been using ccbill as an affiliate.

In another msg you mention phantom sales and someone else mentions that if things were FUBAR then program owners would be screaming about it:

Is it possible that there is some sort of error which is NOT crediting signups successfully to affiliates? Program owners don't see anything different, but affiliates do...

I also agree, the same thing happens to me which really pisses me off.

All I know is that our payouts to affiliates is higher than ever lately- and many of them are names that are new to me rather than our core of regulars.

this I agree with :thumbsup

yep I totally agree with you :thumbsup

kind of strange don't you think ?

ccbill "scrubs" hard
i try and only promote programs that use cascading

Here is some information that I can provide to help you guys understand what happens at midnight

PEOPLE SLEEP! If you guys in Europe think that signups should be cooking at 10am your time, remember about the time zones!


1) Most signups come from the US
2) CCbill is in Arizona (mountain time zone)
3) At midnight at CCbill, most of the USA is asleep

Here is our trend, since Jan 1, 2004, of signups by hour adjusted for the CCbill time of day.


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No wonder you think the sky is falling in the early morning hours!

My advice is to stop looking at sales by hour, you'll just give yourself ulcers or a heart attack!

Steve Lightspeed

I keep hearing all this crap about Ccbill and the affiliate system so I checked the stats for this week myself...

Ratios between 6-14 - 6-21

1:1646.1
1:174
1:116
1:129.5
1:224
1:499
1:702

ETC.

We also did 3 test signups using various Credit cards, one mastercard and 2 Visa from 3 different people on a test affiliate account we set up, each was able to join with no problem and the stats showed each sale. 3 out of 3 seems good to us, I know its not a HUGE test but at least we tried to mix it up to see if we saw an issue.

the 1:1646.1 is the worst ratio in the list with 11.523 clicks and 7 sales. This is also an affiliate who has been pushing traffic to us since February 11th 2003 so his numbers tend to be a little higher in the ratio area since the people that goto his sites have been seeing our stuff for quite a while.

So at least on our site we are seeing good numbers. Maybe your just promoting oversaturated programs? If we had an affiliate converting as bad as your stating we would be emailing him to find out what he is doing and see if we could help bring those numbers down to our norm.

Try sending some of that traffic to us and see for yourself.

People are not really talking about sales.. but ratios...

I recently got couple of 0:5000 ... and one 1:10000 on sites that was sure would convert... and far from being over exposed... Not sure that CCbill is responsible since I do good on with other sites... but still remain a mystery...

I happen to know that biskoppen buys spots on The Hun (also in Holland) --- I'm curious as to what time of day The Hun adds new galleries?

If we agree that most sales come from the US, it would also make sense that ratios would look the worse during the early morning hours in the US, when people here are asleep. Who gets up at 5am before work to join a porn site?

Steve Lightspeed

me :Graucho
and it's 4:00 am
don't have very far 2 go though

From reading his post -- he is comparing his sales from ALL DAY YESTERDAY to the EARLY MORNING HOURS of TODAY

I can't wait until Biskoppen opens his own sites and program. He'll be back in 6 months with "Paysites for sale, any offers?" and an apology to CCbill. The grass is not always greener on the other side....


Steve Lightspeed

Steve doing a favor for your mates at CCbill?
This is certianly not like you to weigh in on a "my stats stink" thread. ;)

Steve,

I am ofcourse basing my claims of what I have experienced over a long time...

I am too, from time to time seeing tons of sales in the hours after CCBILL "updates" - but for the most these hours are the ones where the sales stops.

Steve, please understand that what I see is not just some fade out in sales .. we are talking this scenario .. : I can have maybe 6-7 sales in the last hour or two before CCBILL midnight, and then they change date to the next day and sales stops BANG! for sometimes up to 4-5 hours....

The two of us earlier discussed this when I had that Tawnee thing going ... one week I did 30+ sales from one HUN listing .. the next week I did like 3 sales with the exact same template..

I have been making galleries for a long time .. and buying spots for a long time .. long time enough to know that thats a very strange pattern ... I remember blaiming you for that huge drop - but actually, now, I think its not another one of the CCBILL sales holes I claim exists :)

As a sponsor, I have the luxury of seeing lots and lots of stats. Some affiliates do very well while others struggle, then suddenly fortunes change and it reverses itself.

Biskoppen has been very loud about his poor stats, but I'm sure you didn't see him posting here when he got huge sales to Tawnee Stone from one gallery on the Hun. All bad news and no good news always makes things look worse than they are!

CCbill is an honest company. They have claimed recently that they believe traffic is being stolen from their join pages, and I believe them. I don't hesitate to stand up for anyone who is being unjustly bashed by one or two people with limited information. Biskoppen has posted one "CCbill sucks" thread after another, and its about time someone calls bullshit on it.

Steve Lightspeed

hehe, I just did :) And before you made your post about it :)

Comon Steve - no affiliate brags about their success - I would be a moron to.

But sure, I mentioned the 30+ sales here to give you an example that you know isn't something I got from thin air ..

This is the first I've heard of it. Got a URL or thread ref?

On the affiliate side that would explain why we are seeing normal clicks, and no actual initial sales... but what about you program guys who are saying nothing is wrong? :)