Wanna know why CCBill sign ups suck?
 

because I can't even join a site. A guy with great credit and a big credit limit. "Card declined by bank. Please try a different card"

My cards are fine....:321GFY

same thing happens to me lol....tons of credit and cards and none of them go through

:(

unreal
we should get about 10 of us together to see how many actually get through..


my guess is 3 out of 10

My CC went through fine. No peoblems

I referred like 3 people to statsremote and i believe all 3 had to signup using their backup processor because ccbill didnt accept them.

have you ever chargedback a purchase you made with ccbill?

maybe your name and city is like someone who scammed before?

Their DB im sure is huge and the only way to stay in business is to do what it takes to prevent fraud, so yeah inocent people get declined im sure but thats the cost of staying around.

In the phone sex business any company that has been around for a while checks ANI (caller ID) and credit card info and matches it to many databases, approx 30% of cards are declined!

Mine went through fine.

What countries are you from?

I had to try a couple different cards with stats remote too. I have an unusual last name (only one in the city), info I give is accurate, credit is good, never charged back anything in my life. I see no reason to decline me...yet I do get declined, and it isn't just with stats remote either.

Canada. Never done a charge back. I also use stats Remote (CCBill) LOL.

This thread made me want to check my stats. If you are a sponsor you can also check yours.

Here's how:

If you log into your webmaster admin, go to the "Transactions" tab, select "form hits". This will give you a percentage of those that tried to process -vs- those that were approved.

HERE ARE MY STATS FOR LAST WEEK, BROKEN DOWN BY DAY AND THEN WITH THE AVERAGE FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK (these stats are for all of my sites combined):

June 13th: 40.00% approved
June 14th: 57.14% approved
June 15th: 71.43% approved
June 16th: 66.67% approved
June 17th: 100% approved (Damn!)
June 18th: 69.23% approved
June 19th: 66.67% approved (so far)


OVERALL AVERAGE FOR THE LAST WEEK: 69.57% approved
(which means that 30.43% of those that try are denied)

I have to admit, this is disappointing.

But ONE NOTE SHOULD BE MADE: I did not investigate the REASONS for the denials. Maybe there are just a lot of people trying to fraudulently join.


Disclaimer: I posted these numbers because no one talks real numbers in these threads. It was time. I have to tell you, I am VERY happy with CCBill overall and truly believe they're the best processor in the business.

If other processors make this report available, please post the REAL numbers you've experienced.

I always sign up for porn and never had ccbill decline me

my VISA cards always get declined at preauth with CCBill and never get declined withe other processors , something is just wrong. there is a right middle between scrubing insanely and scrubing safely, CCBill has not found it yet. hop it comes soon as they are my main processor.

Same here. I join sites all the time. I've never been declined.

wow, those % stats are kind of fucked

i agreee, there is a middle ground they need to find, cause 35-50% denials with people that have money is just wrong

the account I use for my sign ups, when I so rarely do them, I always keep like $100 extra in it, and it has a really low limit, like $1000 and I NEVER have problems signing up with it....kind of fucked up that someone with a clear card and high limit has a problem

this week my approval % is 16.67%


its totally insane!

DonovanPhillips,

Thanks for the info, very interesting.

gotta do what they gotta do to keep the CB ratio low I guess . . . besides, Canadians never buy porn anyway :winkwink:

Scrubbing techniques arent worth shit ... Seriously . I had to try SEVEN different cards with 2checkout

I messaged a few people. Some other program owners. Some that process for themselves. What I'm getting is that these numbers are not unreasonable, even when processing for yourself.

Interesting.

That sounds unreasonably low. Are you sure you're looking at the right numbers? Look at the percentage in the LAST column on that page. There are three columns. Only columns two and three relate to this.

ccbill likes my credit card.

Funny IBill just refused one of my husband's card, and it wasn't even a porn site. I told him just use another and it went through.

He thought their system was down for not accepting it since the first card has very low balance with a high credit limit but the bank is not well known.

I wonder how many people just move along and don't try another credit card because they know their card is valid and other merchant accounts accept them?

I don't have to worry about processing, but without knowing the decline reasons and how many sales were actually involved per day it is hard to say is unreasonable or not - 4 attempts with one reject because they put in incorrect info will give you a 75% approval rate, I would not put too much blame on CCBill or any other processor for that matter

yep that is the % per form submitted

I have also experienced declines because of the zip code the buyer lived in, and it was just an error in the processors script . . . no one ever knew there was a problem until it was pointed out to them

Are you sure that isn't form hits to form submissions? Column 1 vs. Column 2?

Those numbers would make sense if that's the case. That would mean that 16% of the people that reach your join page attempt to join.

yep i'm pretty sure , the % of people attempting to join is even higher :(


DonovanPhillips if you have icq i'll tell you the exact numbers reach me at 7525191
( no one else than you )

Nope, you weren't making a mistake. Those really are your approval numbers. Only 16% approved sucks!

ya my last 3 galleries on thehun were ccbill and no signups. i was curious. damn ccbill :321GFY :321GFY

ISISP policy:

more declines = less chargebacks = less fines

The factors that affect it are:
The countries blocked by Visa & the others by Mastercard
Have any of you ever requested the list?

When you open your account you have an option of choosing 'blocked countries list - if you chose that, then credit cards issued from the blocked countries list for the respective credit card company won't work. I'm thinking that not only a credit card issued from that country won't work, but any other card (issued in an accepted country) won't work if the sale is coming from a blocked countries list.

I found their declines quite high - had them look into it for me, and scrubbing accounted for a small percentage. Blocked countries is probably the highest factor (which I've asked to remove) + just in case, I'm shopping for another processor as backup.

Great info Donnie!

Here are my stats for the 15 sites at http://www.howigotrich.com

June 13th: 56.25% approved
June 14th: 81.81% approved
June 15th: 86.36% approved
June 16th: 61.67% approved
June 17th: 59.09% approved not 100% for me (Damn!)
June 18th: 60.16% approved
June 19th: 52.46% approved (so far)

Most of the garbage is from the Check Signup forms
My Credit Card Approval rate is awesome (cc forms)
My Check Approval rate is very low (ck forms)
I am using the email verification for joins by Check (beta)

Kids putting in garbage in the join forms is a big factor too

There are many more factors than CCbill "scrubbing"

We exist because we found that 30%+ of credit card users get declined.... and that does not account for the numbers that just wont use a CC online....

;-)

yep but your setup fee is pretty steep for a site that just starts

Interesting. For sites like mine, how would you assure affiliates are paid? Do you have a way to import all my ccbill affiliates?

We are at 91.3% for form submission approval.
Edit...this is for the month so far.

Mostly CC, but there are a few check signups in there. Even one of those was denied so I guess it all averages out.

I guess I can be happy with that number :)



I have also never had trouble running my cards through ccbill either :thumbsup


Good post Donovan!

You just found this out?

LOL, this shit has been happening for years. I tried signing up for a 1-on-1 service and it took 4 cards til they would accept one and like you they were all fine and should have gone through and I've never charged back anything.

One more followup point, when I looked into it, the problem that happens a lot on declines is people have to insert their info precisely like it is on their account.

If your address is Road for example and you type in Rd. or street etc. it's going to get kicked back. Zip codes have to match. Anything abbreviated in your official cc account has to be abbreviated when you fill in the form exactly the same.

they're fucking wack that's why. you gotta have a dna sample to sign up for a $10 porn site with them. yeah there's some fraud or chargebacks in porn, but you don't go into a fucking wal-mart and get your shit declined when you have money do you?

Same here..

And im not even a program owner who uses CCBILL. Im just an affilate and I can say CCBill is still one of my favorites.

I never bother trying CCBill anymore. They have never accepted my cards, both business and personal, both new and old. Pretty disappointing.

Thanks for the real numbers man, much appreciated!
:glugglug

Our setup fee is waived for any existing webmaster program! ;-)

We can track affiliate sales.... how, depends on how your program works....

If you are using CCbill's services for affiliate tracking, its a bit trickier, but it can be done.

Drop me a line, and I can explain what would have to be done! ;-)

I have also at times had my CC declined by CCBILL.
Then the next day it will work...
But, I also have had the same thing happen at a store, declined for no reason, I think sometimes they can not reach the bank or something...

Here are the reasons listed by CCBILL for the Year so far...
for TNACASH


http://www.tnacash.com/ccbilldecline.jpg

I will stand 100% behind our scrubbing methods and techniques.

There are reasons why credit cards get declined, which I am not even going to start getting into?the truth is that the vast majority of credit card declines originate from the card issuing bank, not the CCBill scrubbing.

We will be happy to research and respond to every decline inquiry, if you are getting declined and are curious to find the reason; send the date of the decline, your name, address, and email address and expect a response from us.

cc [email protected] on the email please

I have nothing against ccbill. I am just posting my experience.

I was trying to do a signup on a ccbill site and I tried 5 of my credit cards. None of which I have ever done a chargeback on. I have also never had a problem using the card(s) with other processors.

I was pissed cause I couldn't deposit funds into an account to advertise and the only payment they took was ccbill.

:2 cents:

Donovan, I saw your stats posted on another board (uncredited) so I jokingly said that your 100% day was probably from a couple of sales. I know from your program that it's highly unlikely... so I want to know how 100% of attempted transactions within 24 hours can succeed? It sounds too good to be true!

I just checked mine from the 1st June - 18th June and it is at 91.30% approved so CCbill seems to be working fine for me.

Mine seem to be all over the board.


13 Jun 2004 85.71%
14 Jun 2004 80.00%
15 Jun 2004 0.00% Haven't had a 0 "new" sign up day in over 8 months until this day.
16 Jun 2004 37.50%
17 Jun 2004 25.00%
18 Jun 2004 33.33%
19 Jun 2004 100.00% so far today

OVER ALL 58.97%

same here