Why is TGP the standard in the adult bizz?
 

I been in this bizz for over 7 years now and started out making complex freesites when I started.

They where not looking anything like todays tgps and they did not use any kind of traffic scripts. In fact most of the sites would never thought about using a traffic script in the first place.

They where all hardlinks and the conversions was great back in those days.

Then something happent.
Some guys started to use traffic script and their sites grew fast but the production from those sites also dropped heavy.

I was among some other old timers the last to change to traffic script and the reason why Idid this was simply to keep track of my trades and to have the toplist auto change when stats changed.

The sites slowly changed from the great "banner farm" sites that was converting so well to more and more simple sites in the hunt for BIG amount of traffic no matter how bad it was.

And so it went on and on. And these "new sites" started to offer more and more free links to content instead of sending the surfer where he is supose to be at....YOUR SPONSOR!

And now a few years after this first event the "tgp" is the standard site in adult bizz. This is the site most people build when they get into the bizz and the only thing they might learn if they ever learn it at all.

Why is tgp the standard in the adult bizz? Why do people think this is the best way to make money?

Today I get contacted by people who run a 80-100K tgp from time to time who ask me how they can make their money back...

That say something about whats going on...

Tgp traffic today is worse then ever before. Sure you can still make some good cash but me personally dont give a fucking dime for those 100K tgps who are basicly CJ sites where they trick the surfer to the sponsor and think they will sign up in that way.

I got more cumming...

TheHun still doesnt use any trade scripts. I think most of the big ones dont use them.

Because everybody in this business are sheeps . When they see anything that seems to work, they just steal the ideas and make a copy ... Some people do it better then other ones ... :)

www.freebooble.com = next generation of tgp when I get it done lol

Because they are made from bookmarks not trading ... duh

with more and more people realizing that TGP's are not as profitable as they were lead to believe, I foresee tons of TGP's closing it's doors in the next year.

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good post CS...valid points...but traffic is traffic I guess the key thing is how well you can funnel it.

yea but I remember a few years ago, getting auto bookmarking scripts for the hun popping up like pop up adds on different porn sites.. it never happened on his sites but I defiantly remember searching for porn and getting auto loading bookmarks for the hun.. maybe not do it now but I remember it as a surfer. I would image that's a good part of the reason that site is so big today.

all valid points. There are a lot of sheep in this business, but it is possible to start a tgp today and make good money.

I realy dont see this...what I see is more and more new people trying to get a pice of the porn bizz and when doing that they see all tgps and think thats the way to go...so I see more and more tgps cumming up that might not make money but more will come then will be lost...

I'm gonna have to agree. People are gonna start to realize that unless you're pushing a TGP with at least 20k uniques a day, it's pretty much useless. You're gonna get a $50 paycheck from CC Bill every 6 months if you don't have that type of traffic.

nah, they'll just keep charging inflated prices for pre-paid spots because some people are more in love with their sex tracker ranking than the amount of money in their bank account.

its not and anyone who thinks it is is nothing more than anewbie.

you think the "adult industry" even solely exists online?

TGPs aint shit compared to what the adult industry makes offline, dont throw pennies into the fountain.

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its good to hear that people believe that tgp traffic don't sell. sure its not like in 97' when you made over 200 $/day with just one gallery, but still if you know what you are doing you can make some bling , just ask extremepaychecks what i'm doing with just hosted galleries on tgps ( fake ones) that have little 404 traffic .

FREE MONEY !!

tgp's have a large chunk of traffic. without traffic you can't do much in this business.

tgp's are the shopping malls of the industry

i believe he's refering to the online adult biz

time to think of something else and do it then, I dont see any problems with tgps.

Thank you :)

alot of the new tgp's will close when the money doesnt come in like they expected

you copy a copycat , how lame :321GFY

Unfortunately, that is true in any business.

I saw this same thread 1 1/2 years ago. I think TGP is as strong or as weak as it was then. There was hitbots that people were totally getting trashed with and now it is foriegn traffic. Next year it will be martians or something but otherwise about the same.

I'm rich bitch!

TGP is here to stay the smart make money and the sheep feed the free loaders its allways going to be that way.

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Maybe if they only run 1 or 2 sites. When I got into tgp's my goal was 1 sale per month per site. I knew that I was never going to get rich off of 1 or 2 sites. I figured that quantity was the key. So I built a shitload of tgps and didnt do to bad.

Too true.. remember when Sleazy started the idea of a thumbnail tgp. No big site ever traded traffic through a thumb pic
it was blind text and description links only.

Sleazy you rock!:thumbsup

1 sale per month per tgp?
then how much tgp's you own to mnake it worth the hassle?
100 ?

I have 3700 and they do really nice :)

I'm waiting :)
Looks like booble V2.

wow many many gb's do you burn a month?

things like http://www.remotethumbs.com/perl/wmref.cgi?id=190 are helping me very mutch to be profitable in tgp bizz .

why? because Mister Buffet wanted it that way!

what kind of scripts do u use to manage all of 'em?

do u have a huge database from which u update 'em all? by niches?

what about managing traffic?

sounds like a good investment, but i wouldn't spend more than an hour a day takin' care of 'em

I have built myself a cluster. At the moment it runs on 4 dedicated servers and it takes me 10 minutes per day to manage that. I don't trade on that cluster, all traffic is from feeders and SE.
And as I launched all that less than 2 months ago (it was up and running from one day to the another) it has not much traffic for now but it is growing nice.

At the moment I can start another cluster of 3700 TGPs in one day, but I think this is not nice move, so I'm banking all the benefits and if all goes ok in several months you can expect a BIG 37.000 TGPs cluster to show :)

As the galleries are rotating over all the cluster I give exactly the same quantity of free porn on all the sites, so it's not a big problem regarding freeloaders. Databases rotate every 6 hours on 10 different niches.

At 25th August I will release some of the scripts that run all that for free, so you will have to wait unless you want to build yourself another cluster :)

The traffic mamagement script is a customized CjOverkill version (version pre 5.0) that is capable to run several thousands of sites as if they were one only big site. At the moment I only use it to track the surfers and the traffic from the feeders and SE.

At the moment I am building paysites for my traffic because I prefer to have all the puzzle. For now I have only the TGP cluster ( http://www.powercum.com/cluster.php ), a search engine ( http://www.sexeel.com ), lots of galleries, one paysite (almost finished) that will grow to 5 very soon and not much more.
It's hard to build big projects, but it's worth the effort. also you need lots of tech knowledge and money. If you have no tech knowledge you will need even more money, but that's not my case because I can manage everything I have with not much problems.

There is no free lunch nor easy money. You have to burn your ass working in order to get some good results ($25 per week as most small TGPs make is not a good result). The only difference between my method and standard TGP methods is that I prefer to view my network as one big site instead of 3700 small ones. So I manage them as if they were one only site and they take me the same amount of time that I would need to manage one single site (of course it took me near 1 month to figure how to cluster all that properly and still keep it simple enough to manage). At this moment I don't care much if I have one or 3700 sites, for my setup and my point of view they are only one... except for the server bills that are pretty higher, but that's not a problem.
I am trying to build an old style TGP network but using all the tech knowledge I have in order to get the best results.

Seems to work for me :)

I think it's the opposite. There will be even more TGP because they are now able to get everything for free from scripts to sponsors galleries to even complete free hosted turnkey TGPs.

Sheep and wolf ,, wolf and sheep

lol

dayum and I thought Chokers 1000 was alot !

You are a great example of a sheep.

Anyway, some valid points there CS. Many ppl changed from a few links to a lot of links, since they got greedy.

I mean they thought okay 10K brings in X so when I add more free porn, and I get 20K it will bring XX

And of course some bigger TGP's still bring in some nice cash. But especially some big THUMBtgp's do pretty bad...A guy contacted me with a 200K thumbtgp, and he only made 2 sales a day.
Then I asked, okay change that on your site and this etc, and I will buy some ads for our paysites.

Then he said no, because last time I did that my send dropped 50K...Funny story huh...

I also know some ppl with 5-10K sites. Hardlinks, some SE traffic(not very much just like 200 a day) and they do more then 10 sales a day...But of course those sites don't look cool in sextracker

Andre

Yeah, but he don't need no script!

What you are describing was inevitable. Back in '96 the surfers were almost all newbies and the demand for online porn so far exceeded the supply, that we could get away with anything.

But even if - to keep it simple - you assume the same number of new surfers coming online each year, 8 years on only 12½% of our potential customers are newbies. Many have more experience of the 'Net than a lot of webmasters! A lot of us still act otherwise, but these are real people. No way could we keep peddling the same rubbish or use the same trix to sell it.

Within this context, TGPs are no more than an excellent example of form following function. "Samples" are not only a way to try to reassure the millions of surfers we burned in the past that these days we really do have something to offer, but also a way to tempt those who wouldn't normally think of paying for porn. It is a valid marketing model used in any number of industries, which - unless content and bandwidth prices climb again - is why, despite those who might wish otherwise, TGPs aren't going anywhere.

For sure the burn rate among both operators and submitters is high. Next time you see someone giving away samples of food or wine in a supermarket, watch how few actually buy: freebies aren't a magic key to sales, just a way to stimulate an initial interest. Most of your potential buyers are still reluctant and it takes skill to close the sale.

And that's what many webmasters - would-be TGP operators and submitters - don't realize. TGP'ing looks so easy and it takes minimal HTML knowledge and design skills to put up something which looks like a TGP or a TGP gallery. When it turns out to be a money pit, most won't blame themselves but the TGP model.

and some of those who normally would pay, won't because they already got so much for free

you can't get drunk of that wine and you won't eat enough in supermarket promotion so that you don't need eat dinner anymore :D

:321GFY
dickhead...you steal galleries from other TGPs :ak47:

Actualy TGP's are the FLEA markets of the industry...you have to sift through a lot of shit to get a MORSEL of something good....

when are people going to realize....
quality...not quantity....

this fucking idustry is FULL of retards who think making 500 bucks a month from a 100k tgp is good money.....

i bought a domain in 97 for 1k and make 6k a month from it today....doing absolutely nothing.......

this industry is just going to get flooded with more and more morons.....

Standard cop-out response and completely irrelevant.

Webmasters who don't see the difference between what a (worthwhile) paysite offers and the porn available from TGPs and other free sources, probably will have trouble convincing surfers.

Interesting.

If tgp's would censor the galleries etc. and not show pink I bet the tgp's would convert more traffic.

supply and demand cut off people's air supply and they will pay.

how many Drug dealers do you see giving away free crack to erveryone. they might give a little away free at first then they know they hooked a new customer.

Personally I think tgp's are great if they are done right. but I also think that there is just way to much free shit out there now.
Surfers are smart they know how to find it free if they don't there friends tell them. why should they pay?

TGp's should just tease the surfer not satisfy them. As a guy we all know it takes one good picture to beat off too that's one customer who will never pay.

there should be a script where one day all the galleries should be censored or just redirect to a pay site. nothing free and see what your customers do when they can't get it free.


If you have traffic or a tgp you should send traffic to our BYOTGP program

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you're one smart mofo! :thumbsup

i'm pretty sure you'll do very good with this project.

Yeah its funny how people still think lots of traffic=lots of signups.

Most of the new tgps got shitty traffic that wont convert for shit.

My small 10K a day site makes more then most 100K tgps out there and thats freaking funny to see :)

But I realy dont mind when people are burning their BW bills because then there money runs out faster :)