Sextracker lays off 90%, is up for sale.
 

http://www.avn.com/ng/query.cgi?act=...=news&eid=7145

"Flying Crocodile announced the moves earlier January 24, in a release referring to the three primary partners' "parting of the ways," cutting staff back to twelve workers - which involved firing forty people the same day, Edmond said with a tone of sorrow in his voice."

And just 3 months ago: http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories...644087,00.html

"...Flying Crocodile is the company most likely to go on a gobbling binge. The reason is twofold: Edmond's intense focus in an industry that is constantly at war with itself and his well-disciplined, 135-employee corporate machine, which he started in 1997 with $15,000 out of his own pocket."

From 135 employees to 12 in three months.

I wonder if they have some 2ft and/or 3ft cubicle sections? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

yeah, all my buddies that had high positons there like their very first hires are all gone within the past 2 months.. I was looking for them at the convention, only to find them already all gone.. I knew something was up.

But it seems that they have all started their own shit.. Ill see if I can get more of the smut of the story.

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This is the part of the article that is concerning me, and has been the topic of many of my concerns thus far on this forum.

"But he also said several risk factors - including the nomination of former Missouri Sen. John Ashcroft to be President George Bush's Attorney General, litigation against Cyber Entertainment Network, and a recent battle between the Federal Trade Commission and RJB Telcom over credit fraud questions - prompted the move, along with a few other factors.

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How does George W. put the fear of God into these multimillion dollar companies? All this talk about internet law is all shit. The internet can police itself. Order comes out of anarchy like my homey Noam Chomsky says. There are hacker groups out there who take down child porn sites for free. You don't need to pay a bunch of numbnut government officials to sit on their ass all day.

As for keeping kids away from porn, any 5 year old kid can just turn the channel to bravo or showcase and see some titties. The real problem is that kids know how to use computers better than their parents. Ask George W. what a content advisor is and he'd tell you its a position in the ministry of the interior.

All these whining artists trying to make money off of their intellectual "property" rights really make me wanna retch. I think Copernicus should of patented his theory and sold it on tape at the local HMV, while the rest of us stay in the fucken dark ages like a bunch of mooks. I don't care what Metallica or any trailer monkey rock band says, information should be free and available even if its pictures of pigs fucking dead corpses. I think I should have the freedom to share that shit.

As long as no one is phsically harmed without their consent I don't see anything wrong with porn. If you want to shit on somebody or fuck a dog, knock yourself out. As long as the dog's enjoying himself I don't see anything wrong with it.

These fucking republicans are always talking about how they don't want the government encroaching on their freedom to buy an assault rifle. But they have no problem with the government telling them what is the just and moral way to live their lives.

Lets all bow down to George W. and say yes George the universe was made in 7 days. Yes George, Homosexuals are going to hell anyway so why the fuck do they need rights?. Yes George, lets keep an embargo on Iraq, they can get their own insulin the fucking sand******s.

It's late, anyone still posting their lame, tame, homely ass, mediocre, boring posts that are as thought provoking as an enema, can go fuck themselves.

And yes I did break every amateurpages rule. So fuck me, I'm gonna bitch about it anyway. If I hurt your feelings get over it, or kill yourself.

By the time I get back one of you fuckers better have something sharp as a tack to say, you smut dealing motherfuckers. Tell me off if you want, just make it entertaining.

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Jimmy, Ashcroft is gunna bend you over like the ho you really are and drive you all the way to Omaha.

Lens, if you get any more industry news about litagation or of the like, please post it here.. It seems like Ive been coming here more than the avn sites or ynot for my info.

This was all new to me.

That whole, "we're selling because of the industry problems" is just an excuse for their problems. The stories of them not paying their bills and laying off people has been news for months. I don't beleive a word of Edmund's spin.

The reasons cited by them are irrelavant.

1. If sextracker doesn't have anything indecent and follows the law, they don't have to worry about the Gov't.

2. RJB's problems are not FCI's. They won't be effected by that.

3. CEN's spamming has no effect on them unless they are spamming too.

4. It's no secret that Sextracker looked the other way when they were sending traffic to Cresent, which has basically been shut down by the Feds. Then the switched to the dialers, which the Feds also shut down.

The truth is that they haven't suceeded in a business where all the big players make big $. (except Playboy - they don't have a clue)

That's why they are toast.

It maybe that they got big fast (in network size) and a little arrogant in the glory of their fast growth, hiring and expanding, without making sure the foundation they were built on as a business was strong enough

They also, for sure did not act responsibly or listen to their webmasters


From a personal standpoint the sextracker counter started off pretty good, but then started to become shittier and shittier, so I dropped it months ago, along with a lot of other webmasters, leaving either people who were too busy to see what they were doing, people who were oblivious, or rip off or marginally legal sites, displaying their counters

Their hosting began as a very good hosting system, then they started siphoning off traffic, through sneaky little surfer limit consoles, and splash pages. When freesites went down, the writing was on the wall...

I stopped using them over a year ago for hosting

I never used the money tree, so i can't comment on that

It does really show you that, as a webmaster, you really really need to check out the programs you use, and activly have to be involved in the 'net and it's happenings before you get burned big time

also you'd better diversify your income and sites a little, if you're smart




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lensman lets put some money together and buy sextracker. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

He wants it to sell for eight figures LOL.

Let's see, that's 100,000.00 right?

LOL lens. I thought he was talking in the ten thousanths.

So that would be 9,999.9999 At the most http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

Balljoints

Actually, Andy said that all of the pieces collectively he believes he can get eight figures. So we're talking the main free host, Sex Spaces, the other free hosts, Porno Places I think it's called and another one, the paid hosting, the counters Sex Tracker, XXX Counter and possibly Sex List and Outster, there is Money Tree, YNOT Masters, and the other divisions which include graphic design and I think programming, plus I'm probably forgetting something -- all combined. So it is not totally actually quite reasonable that it could add up to 10 million or more.

I see only one potential component that might be problematic and that is Money Tree in that it requires a lot of traffic and that it cannot stand by itself, where the other parts can neatly be sliced of FCI. Because of this few people have the ability to feed it, and those who could probably wouldn't want to do so. Should be interesting.

Why would a money-losing adult business be worth ANYTHING?

its not.

I've got a question, does anyone use Sextracker's PAID HOSTING? Don't get me wrong, I like the counters and the rankings, but the freehosting is slow as shit and when you're checking your stats it's slow as shit.

Now I know that the freehosting and the paid servers are on different setups, but isn't that the worst advertising ever? If one of you guys buys FC either drop the freehosting or make it decent. It's like showing somebody a crappy picture then saying "wanna buy some pictures from me?"

Just my opinion. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

>>> Why would a money-losing adult business be worth ANYTHING?

Since you asked:

a) because not every division is money losing?

b) because a new owner can turn a company around?

Not talking about FCI necessarily, just in general some reasons why. Wish I could remember the guy's name, but there's some famous entrepeneur who has gone into five almost bankrupt companies in a row over the past twelve years and in each case made them from dead last in their industry to number one. Amazing fellow. Just my bad memory can't remember the name.

Hi Ron! Cross the bridge, grab a cheesesteak. :-)

one of those 5 companies that got turned around was xerox i do believe. Companies can be turned around if the people who buy it knows what their doing and have a focused goal. I still think lens and slavik should buy it. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

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Where bush should invest is :

A freeware against porn for parents ... Totally sure and easy to use

A anti-child porn ... ban domain names from browsers or something =p

Drav, I ain't crossing the bridge. Too many bleeding heart liberals looking to spend my money over trhere. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

Bleeding heart liberals? where?

Yeh, that FCI sale was in the wind for a few months for sure...they started those layoffs a while ago....

There is always more to the story as to why it's really up for sale and could never be pinned to 1 or 5 reasons...

Yeh, this biz is in for some changes now that Bill is out and Asscrack is gonna be the new head of the DOJ...but as lensman stated as long as you do shit legal like yer ass is covered...

ciao

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I don't know Drav, it seems a stiff wind can knock those guys off their rock.

LOL! 12clicks, you cheap ass, being the bleeding heart, I feel for you and will treat you to the cheesesteak myself. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

Lens, well, for whatever reasons, they're slicing up their own rock and skipping town. Won't be nothing left of them in six months by their own words.

Now if I had a few million dollars of spending money to toss around (lol!), I'd buy up their counters, beef up their filtering to keep out CP and other shit sites, and add a mucho better SE on it.

I'd stay away from their free hosts though. I think the new "conservative Christian government the Electoral College elected" makes it too risky to have a free host these days: One CP site missed and bye-bye business.

Bump. ;)

did I miss something?

This isn't an OLD article?

I though Andy Edmond was with the Wicked Witch of the East?

Not the case?

Not anymore :winkwink:

I remember reading some articles by Andy from Sex Swap. A good guy, that knows what he is talking about.

He used to rant how the big corps (non adult) had masses of unesesary employees, after all, if you have a few good programmers these things should run themselves.

Maybe this is FCI's new way of working. It makes sense to me :2 cents:

pipeking has to go!

I thought it had a feeling of Deja Vu about it........


Whos confusing me and bumping these old threads!! :BangBang:

I forgot about this thread, what ever happend to sextracker and money tree? Are they under new ownership since 2001?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

more people are using porngraph now more than ever

I have used sextrackers moneytree program since the beginning of 2002. Never had a problem with them. Paid weekly and on time every time. You have a problem, email them I usually get a response within a few hours. I make some nice change off their dialer program. I am speaking from my personal experience with sextracker.

Liz

who is next?

adult.com?

why is sextracker having so much downtime lately

Lens, could you tell me an email I can shoot a message off to you at that you'll see today?

Cheers,
Matt

ya..i think ynot bought em

He's gone.

Fucking asshole :321GFY

yeah right :1orglaugh

and what would your logic be for that?

say what you want about their hosting but we did massive traffic with them for years and they were never down for us.

what is the latest with Flying Crocodile? didn't they pick back up again? Looks like Streamate does fairly well.

Thanks for bumping a 5 year old thread

almost 7 actually

i was like WTF hahahah

rather bump an old thread on the same topic then have 10531513513513 more new ones to go through don'tcha think? :2 cents:

Like this is a mad topic of discussion.

/sarcasm

nice bump.......

That's no good....

why is that?

Does anyone have a problem with answering?