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Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 05:13 PM
BELIEVE

Digipimp 05-13-2004 05:13 PM
he was in an orange prisoner type of outfit. fucking terrorists don't dress their hostages up so that they fucking standout. i'm never a conspiracy type but why the fuck is he in that outfit when they never do that shit and it would serve no purpose but to make him easier to spot in iraq?

ALiEn_OuT 05-13-2004 05:19 PM
dudes... that was like some orange silky gown ... not us prison style!!:ak47:

On-top 05-13-2004 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
BELIEVE

HAHAH!! classic

On-top 05-13-2004 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Digipimp
he was in an orange prisoner type of outfit. fucking terrorists don't dress their hostages up so that they fucking standout. i'm never a conspiracy type but why the fuck is he in that outfit when they never do that shit and it would serve no purpose but to make him easier to spot in iraq?
Supposedly it's to mimic the ones the US uses.

painintheass 05-13-2004 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by On-top
Supposedly it's to mimic the ones the US uses.
There are conspiracy theories on both sides of the fence.

Some that say it`s the United States and others that say it was made to look like the United States did it.

All I want to know is this.

1) Is the video or is the video not fake.

2) And if it is real. Who did it?

3) Where are the "crime scene" reports from where they found Nick`s body in Bahgdad.

Pain in the ass.

xenophobic 05-13-2004 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by painintheass

1) Is the video or is the video not fake.
Pain in the ass.
expand on that (which parts fake) the guy is obviously dead.

Sambo 05-13-2004 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by painintheass
There are conspiracy theories on both sides of the fence.

Some that say it`s the United States and others that say it was made to look like the United States did it.

All I want to know is this.

1) Is the video or is the video not fake.

2) And if it is real. Who did it?

3) Where are the "crime scene" reports from where they found Nick`s body in Bahgdad.

Pain in the ass.
A little more info for the foil hat brigrade:

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAN3MDH7UD.html

And so it all slowly comes out!

Digipimp 05-13-2004 05:50 PM
there really is a lot more weird info on this one compared to any other time it's happened. i'm rarely ever into the conspiracies but this one just seems so odd. let me ask this interesting question.

if the video says zarqawi did it to him, and we say he did, and we all know what he looks like then why did he wear that shit on his head still. if he was going to say he did it and be proud of it he would have shown himself you would figure but maybe not i guess.

AdultNex 05-13-2004 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by xenophobic
expand on that (which parts fake) the guy is obviously dead.
Conspiracies are abound... With the special effect and body molding capabilities you have now, it's very easy to mimic something like this using fake props.

xenophobic 05-13-2004 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Digipimp
there really is a lot more weird info on this one compared to any other time it's happened. i'm rarely ever into the conspiracies but this one just seems so odd. let me ask this interesting question.

if the video says zarqawi did it to him, and we say he did, and we all know what he looks like then why did he wear that shit on his head still. if he was going to say he did it and be proud of it he would have shown himself you would figure but maybe not i guess.
Boy those Iraqi's must have fitted him with a bionic leg, he sure can jump for an amputee.

I actually think it's more like fame-whoring for old abu, there is a power vacuum in Al-Qaeda after all, and he is looking to be a big deal (and it reality he appears to be their most active known member)

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Digipimp
there really is a lot more weird info on this one compared to any other time it's happened. i'm rarely ever into the conspiracies but this one just seems so odd. let me ask this interesting question.

if the video says zarqawi did it to him, and we say he did, and we all know what he looks like then why did he wear that shit on his head still. if he was going to say he did it and be proud of it he would have shown himself you would figure but maybe not i guess.
Its also funny to know this zrqawi guy is said to have been killed months ago.

he was DEFINITELY injured because he now has a FAKE LEG.

can you tell if that guy has a fake leg?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084

"Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq ?during the American bombing there,? according to a statement circulated in Fallujah this week and signed by the ?Leadership of the Allahu Akbar Mujahedeen.?"

"The statement did not say when al-Zarqawi was supposedly killed, but U.S. jets bombed strongholds of the extremist Ansar al-Islam in the north last April as Saddam Hussein?s regime was collapsing.

It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.

Before the Iraq conflict began last March, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said al-Zarqawi received hospital treatment in Baghdad after fleeing Afghanistan. U.S. intelligence sources said he apparently was fitted with an artificial leg."

interesting guy needlessto say

xenophobic 05-13-2004 05:58 PM
Do you believe statements issued by terrorists? - seriously?

They also have claimed Osama Bin Laden was killed in a missile strike in the caves of Afghanistan, yet has appeared in Video and Audio since, I'm sure it's in his own interest to appear to be dead.

Babel 05-13-2004 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by xenophobic
Do you believe statements issued by terrorists? - seriously?

They also have claimed Osama Bin Laden was killed in a missile strike in the caves of Afghanistan, yet has appeared in Video and Audio since, I'm sure it's in his own interest to appear to be dead.
What the motto of the Mossad ?

directfiesta 05-13-2004 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by xenophobic
Do you believe statements issued by terrorists? - seriously?

They also have claimed Osama Bin Laden was killed in a missile strike in the caves of Afghanistan, yet has appeared in Video and Audio since, I'm sure it's in his own interest to appear to be dead.
Should I beleive statments from the US administration???/

" We know that Iraq is trying to acquire from Africa nuclear yellow cakes"

So?

xenophobic 05-13-2004 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Babel
What the motto of the Mossad ?
You do know I am talking about Al-Qaeda issued statements that Osama Bin Laden is dead, to that is what I refer.

painintheass 05-13-2004 07:05 PM
Meanwhile, the family said Berg had been questioned by the FBI more than a year ago about a contact he had with a terrorism suspect in 1999, while he was a student at the University of Oklahoma in Norman.

Some reports have said the suspect may have been Sept. 11 suspect Zacarias Moussaoui, but David Berg said that is not true. Nicholas Berg only went to school there in 1999; Moussaoui enrolled in a flight school in Norman in February 2001.
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Getting too fucking weird for me.
Pain in the ass

Major (Tom) 05-13-2004 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by ALiEn_OuT
dudes... that was like some orange silky gown ... not us prison style!!:ak47:
yea it was muslim garb..probally orange because it had some kind of ritualistic/cermonial value. It wasnt a freaking state penn jump suit.. pfff
ds

reynold 05-13-2004 07:12 PM
I still say its barbaric!

Illicit 05-13-2004 07:13 PM
why is it that whenever something bad happens, the U.S. has to be behind it ? seems like everyone hate the U.S. , even the people living in it :(

Webby 05-13-2004 07:37 PM
ajpiii:

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why is it that whenever something bad happens, the U.S. has to be behind it ? seems like everyone hate the U.S. , even the people living in it
Because sadly the US *always* ends up behind shit. This has been going on for literally decades.

There are a load of very "smart ass" idiots having money dumped on them by the US government and left to get on with it. This ranges from "security services" to other extremist governments.

They other aside is that this this "common factor' - the US government does not like to get it's hands too dirty and uses others to do their dirty work and enables them to keep this bullshit "democracy, freedom and righteous" image going. They are just a load of evil little scumbags in real life.

Apart from "obvious" volatile countries, and certainly leading the pack out of all western countries - the US government is the most outrageous and immature of the lot and constantly trying to be something it is not - and with the ongoing conduct, will never likely be anything.

That is not to say there are not many honourable men within the US government - there are plenty! However, when it comes to any of these "democratic" elections - tis all bullshit and the least qualified end up in power and wonder what the fuck to do when they have got there. This does not serve the US people, however the US people have clearly a severe problem in that they always fall for the mass media shit and elect idiots.


PS.. BTW... Have you watched any of the election ads in the US? Can you actually find *one* statement in them that has any balance of truth?? Irrespective of who generated these ads - they all lie persistantly in the hope of "throwing shit at the wall and some will stick". It's fodder for some dumb masses. Tis unfortunate that these ads actually appear to work in the US - elsewhere the publishers/promoters would end up in court and thrown in jail.

painintheass 05-14-2004 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by xenophobic
expand on that (which parts fake) the guy is obviously dead.
The problem I`m having with the video is the fact I know that I can reproduce the same thing in an afternoon. The only hard part is the head and I can get a really good one made of a person in Montreal for a few hundred bucks

In the end I would acheive the exact same quailty and look just as real. And no one would have to die.

Now just because I can do this doesn`t mean this video is fake. It just means that it can be faked.

Pain in the ass

Ironhorse 05-14-2004 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by painintheass

3) Where are the "crime scene" reports from where they found Nick`s body in Bahgdad.
They didn't fax you a copy?

RicardoB 05-14-2004 05:31 AM
This was posted on another board and really got me thinking:

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And for those of you keeping score, problems with the Berg fiasco

1] Berg had connections to al Qaeda terrorists strong enough to be questioned by the FBI.
2] The United States and the Iraqi police detained Berg for 13 days, not releasing him until his father filed suit. He was detained as a suspected Israeli spy. The US now denies it had anything to do with the detention dispite correspondance to the contrary.
3] Berg doesn't struggle or even flinch when his head is saw off with a western style military knife.
4] No blood spurts from his neck as he is supposed to be dieing. The amount of blood on the floor is much smaller than it should have been.
5] No blood gets on the hand of 'Zarqawi' even though it was in front of Berg's neck when he should have been bleeding out.
6] Zarqawi is thought to be dead and is known to have an artificial fucking leg. Clearly the man hacking off the head didn't.
7] Zarqawi is known to have a tattoo on the back of his left hand. The man hacking off the head didn't.
8] All the men had nice WHITE hands. Except in the last 20-30 seconds when the face appears to have been digitally lightened, the hands are as white or whiter than Berg's skin.
9] All of the men had identical, nice, clean clothing. It looked new. This is unlikely for rogue combatants in a war zone.
10] If Zarqawi was in the video, why didn't he show his face? It is known to the US already.
11] The real Zarqawi speaks with a Jordanian accent. According to a CNN mid-eastern expert who is a fluent professional translator, this 'Zarwaqi' did not speak with a Jordanian accent. She dismissed the possibility of it being him out of hand.
12] The whole time line is completely fucked up. There are many inconsistancies in the time line. I could cite at least a dozen.
13] The 'militants' stood with a Western posture. When they moved in their moves were rehearsed. Each knew where he was going.
14] Two of the 'Arab militants' brought their left hands to their faces during the video. The left hand is unclean in Islamic nations. It is used to wipe ones ass. An arab wouldn't rub their eyes with it. The left hand is taboo.
15] 'Zarqawi' is wearing a large gold ring. It is forbidden for muslim men to wear gold jewelry.
16] The rifles are reportedly Galil variants. These would be Israeli rifles. Arab militants wouldn't use Israeli weapons.
17] Between Berg being knocked to the floor and then hacked up, the video cuts for no reason. Remember this isn't a two camera shoot, there is no reason for the video to cut. Something was cut out, or it would be continous.
18] The website to which the video was supposedly released was down within 90 minutes. All major news organizations supposedly learned of this video and obtained copies within that time.
19] Berg is wearing an orange uniform identical to those at the prison.
20] Berg is shown in a chair identical to those in the prison. If he was in an abandoned warehouse why wasn't he on looted office furniture instead. These chairs are not extremely rare, but the odds of both chairs being identical (not just any stacking plastic chairs but identical makes) is slim.
21] The video never mentions the word Al Qaeda, it uses the word al qaed. These are two different words, one is a name and means 'The Base'. The other is not a name and translates as 'one who sits by and does nothing'. This translation is from the CNN arab language expert. She reports that any fluent speaker of Arabic would notice this differance.
22] Nick Berg's dad and Berg's tower company appear on a Free Republic 'enemies' list. The list isn't too long. I'm not on it under any alias I've used, nor is my wife, nor any of my friends.
23] The time code on the tape is in military time. Arabs use the stadard arabic clock.
24] This video came out just when it would help the Bush regime the most. Fucktards everywhere are using it to justify widespread US war crimes.
25] One of the towers Berg worked on, the biggest and most damaged one, was near the prison.
26] No one can account for Berg's whereabouts from between April 10th (when his father believe he was killed) to May 11th the most firmly referanced of three days his body may have been found. He looks very clean and well fed to have been held prisoner by savages for over a month.
27] The US has not stated how his body was identified. It didn't have a head. It should have taken some time to ID.
28] Except for the individual reading the prepaired statement, the only words said by the other 'terrorists' were "Allah Akbar" over and over. The speach was somewhat slurred. The accent differs significantly from the speakers. I don't believe that they all knew Arabic.
29] The speaker fumbles the transcript several times and goes back to the same page several times. It appeared he was having trouble reading his own statement.
30] During the hacking up part the video camera zooms in indistinctly just where you would expect the filmer to be trying for the most horrid details.
31] The body makes no death throws. None. Nada. Most animals when they die convulse.
32] Almost nothing dripped from the recently severed head. If he had just died the head should have still had a lot of blood in it.

I'm sure I missed a few more here. I suppose that any one of these wouldn't cause me to be certain I was being lied to, once again, by my own government. Taken togather they should tell anyone with half a brain that the official story is bullshit.
What do you think?


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