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  • AaronM
    GFY Royality ;)
    • Oct 2001
    • 46923
    #1

    Thanks for wasting my time. (RANT)

    I just love it when I spend various recourses to attend webmaster events only to have people blow smoke up my ass.

    I don't fucking get it. We all take the time out of our lives to drive, fly, canoe, or hang-glide our way to these events. Then we spend more resources on hotels, bar tabs, dinners, buying lap dances for each other....whatever.

    All of this is done in the hopes of establishing new business relationships.

    So here's what pisses me off. Why do people waste each others time with bullshit / empty promises? If you can not use the products or services that somebody has to offer, why tell them differently when you are face to face only to have to find a way to snake out of it later on when they attempt to follow up with you?

    Are you a coward? Afraid to tell the person : "Hey man, I like what I see but I just don't see a use for it in my business at this time."

    There's nothing wrong with hanging out and shooting the shit with people who you know you will not be doing business with but at least be straight up about it.

    I have mentioned this concern to several people over the years and they all have the same reply: "That's typical of any convention." I understand that it is normal...But WHY?!?

    Not only does this waste the time of the person you are lying to but it wastes your time as well.
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    • Ross
      Ik ben een aap
      • Sep 2002
      • 18874
      #2
      Fact is a lot of people do it, a lot of people will continue to do it because they want to seem bigger than they are. I don't personally do it I don think, if I want to try someones programme I will, but I won't say infront of them that I am 100% gonna do it. You don't know what could come up when you get home...

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        • hydro
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2003
          • 4216
          #3
          ban girls from the convention and i bet most of the bs will die off

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            • Xenophage
              Registered User
              • Oct 2001
              • 12122
              #4
              yeah I told the squirter girl that I dont like porn..

              thats the truth. after 10 years of this shit it bores the hell outta me I would rather see a chick in clthes than naked.

              anyhoo

              lots of people tell mea t shows they are gonna send us traffic or do traffic exchange with us or do a co branded deal and then months go by a few icqs a few emails.. and nothing..

              I think people are just lazy.. I know I am

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                • CuriousToyBoy2
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 707
                  #5
                  There are WAY too many people who like to play the big-time-operator game.



                  At shows, I will shoot the shit with the best of them.

                  And I will also make some deals.

                  The 2 do not get confused.

                  I can just imagine being someone with a profile in this industry like Aaron - every wannabe Neville-Never-Will-Be-Anybody pimp fucktard in the world wants to be his friend, wants to have a drink, wants to PRETEND they can do business with him.

                  It's just nightclub syndrome on a bigger scale.

                  Sometimes I feel sorry for the big playas.

                  But not too often .

                  Last edited by CuriousToyBoy2; 05-12-2004, 07:09 AM.

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                    • SinEmpire
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2001
                      • 9813
                      #6
                      Well, at least we're keeping notes on the short list of people that don't bullshit. I agree with you, I don't understand who has the time or desire to talk out of their ass. My perspective has always been one of determining whether or not we can do business and if not... that's ok... we can still be friends. The reality is, even people that don't ever have the potential of doing business together perhaps because of their products... it's good to have the relationships established. That way, when someone comes to me and is talking about needing content or a particular sponsor, I can confidently say "go talk to..." and that's how the world goes 'round.

                      Cheers,

                      Brad

                      P.S. - Lars and Aaron, was a pleasure spending time with both of you at the show
                      President at MojoHost | brad at mojohost dot com | Skype MojoHostBrad
                      71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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                        • Hustler DJ
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 469
                          #7
                          A lot of the folks I've dealt with in this regard honestly just seem like they don't have the cajones to make the 'mea culpa' you're asking for, Aaron. Maybe I'm an optimist, but it's always seemed to me that it's easier for weak personalities to go into 'bobblehead' mode, say yes to anything to your face, then run back behind the safety of their PCs and try to pretend it never happened.

                          Not making excuses for it - it's bullshit, without question. But as long as we've got an industry where there's no barrier to entry for any ol' rookie, greenpea or general slacker to break into it, we're gonna have this problem.
                          <br>
                          Darren - Sales/Marketing Guy -- FlyntDigital/HustlerContent
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                            • Hustler DJ
                              Confirmed User
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 469
                              #8
                              Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy
                              It's just nightclub syndrome on a bigger scale.
                              *Very* well said...
                              <br>
                              Darren - Sales/Marketing Guy -- FlyntDigital/HustlerContent
                              ICQ: 2907527

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                                • MattO
                                  The O is for Oohhh
                                  • Feb 2003
                                  • 10861
                                  #9
                                  = why I'm going to drink less at the Miami show

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                                    • CuriousToyBoy2
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Apr 2004
                                      • 707
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Hustler DJ
                                      *Very* well said...
                                      <br>
                                      He he. Thanks.

                                      Betcha not all of 'em understood the reference.

                                      Meant that way.

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                                        • AaronM
                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 46923
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                          yeah I told the squirter girl that I dont like porn..

                                          thats the truth. after 10 years of this shit it bores the hell outta me I would rather see a chick in clthes than naked.

                                          anyhoo

                                          lots of people tell mea t shows they are gonna send us traffic or do traffic exchange with us or do a co branded deal and then months go by a few icqs a few emails.. and nothing..

                                          I think people are just lazy.. I know I am

                                          Speaking of people who follow through.......

                                          Lars cut me a check on the spot in Florida. He may joke a lot on the boards but when it comes to business...He is a straight shooter.

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                                            • AaronM
                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 46923
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by SinEmpire
                                              Well, at least we're keeping notes on the short list of people that don't bullshit. I agree with you, I don't understand who has the time or desire to talk out of their ass. My perspective has always been one of determining whether or not we can do business and if not... that's ok... we can still be friends. The reality is, even people that don't ever have the potential of doing business together perhaps because of their products... it's good to have the relationships established. That way, when someone comes to me and is talking about needing content or a particular sponsor, I can confidently say "go talk to..." and that's how the world goes 'round.
                                              Very well said.

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                                                • SquirtingCarly
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                  • 359
                                                  #13
                                                  Hey Aaron, speaking of the convention you told me to get with you when we got back. To remind you about that email I sent you.

                                                  Carly
                                                  FatFuckingCash

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                                                    • AaronM
                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 46923
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by SquirtingCarly
                                                      Hey Aaron, speaking of the convention you told me to get with you when we got back. To remind you about that email I sent you.

                                                      Carly
                                                      Nice follow up.

                                                      I've already taken care of it though.

                                                      Thanks.

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                                                        • SquirtingCarly
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 359
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                                          yeah I told the squirter girl that I dont like porn..

                                                          thats the truth. after 10 years of this shit it bores the hell outta me I would rather see a chick in clthes than naked.

                                                          anyhoo

                                                          lots of people tell mea t shows they are gonna send us traffic or do traffic exchange with us or do a co branded deal and then months go by a few icqs a few emails.. and nothing..

                                                          I think people are just lazy.. I know I am
                                                          You did tell me that and I appreciated you being straight up.......
                                                          But, I was introducing myself and you cut me off before I had a chance to ask about your site and maybe using it in my members area.
                                                          FatFuckingCash

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                                                            • tony299
                                                              lurker
                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                              • 57021
                                                              #16
                                                              First off you Gentlemen seem to forget this isnt business it's the adult business. Which are two very different things. lol Also Aaron you wanted my ICQ 52416841.

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                                                                • SquirtingCarly
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                  • 359
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                  Nice follow up.

                                                                  I've already taken care of it though.

                                                                  Thanks.
                                                                  OK, talk to you later
                                                                  FatFuckingCash

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                                                                    • AaronM
                                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                      • 46923
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                                                      First off you Gentlemen seem to forget this isnt business it's the adult business. Which are two very different things. lol Also Aaron you wanted my ICQ 52416841.
                                                                      Wrong attitude. Business is business is business.

                                                                      You can not expect others to treat us as equals if we don't do the same.

                                                                      It does not matter if you are peddling cars, Clothes, or digital pussy......The same business principles should apply.

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                                                                        • AaronM
                                                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 46923
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                          Wrong attitude. Business is business is business.

                                                                          You can not expect others to treat us as equals if we don't do the same.

                                                                          It does not matter if you are peddling cars, Clothes, or digital pussy......The same business principles should apply.
                                                                          It's about making money...Not porn.

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                                                                              • 19422
                                                                              #20
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                                                                                • Peaches
                                                                                  Old broad
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 13933
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  I don't buy content, so I told Aaron he had pretty eyelashes - which he does. No BS from me

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                                                                                    • CuriousToyBoy2
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                                                      • 707
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                      First off you Gentlemen seem to forget this isnt business it's the adult business. Which are two very different things. lol Also Aaron you wanted my ICQ 52416841.
                                                                                      It would be funny if it wasn't so true.



                                                                                      I have ALWAYS approached my adult business I would any business - normal business practices and ethics apply with me.

                                                                                      Of course I am not THAT silly and expect the same from the manic majority in this biz.

                                                                                      I am simply a businessman who makes and sells porn.

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                                                                                        • AaronM
                                                                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                                          • 46923
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Peaches
                                                                                          I don't buy content, so I told Aaron he had pretty eyelashes - which he does. No BS from me
                                                                                          God knows that all I do is content anyway.

                                                                                          Thanks for the compliment, Peaches.

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                                                                                            • pornstar2pac
                                                                                              Omaha Hi/Lo
                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                              • 17380
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              hey man, good to see your sig is working now. I will have to check out tushy cash today
                                                                                              Trump haters gonna hate. that's all they can do

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                                                                                                • Peaches
                                                                                                  Old broad
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 13933
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                  God knows that all I do is content anyway.

                                                                                                  Thanks for the compliment, Peaches.
                                                                                                  Dang, for some reason I really did think that's what you did

                                                                                                  OK, now that the show is over, email me at [email protected] and let's see what we can do businesswise. But even if we can't, I'll still tell you that you have pretty eyelashes

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                                                                                                    • Azure Sales
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                                                                      • 170
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by hydro
                                                                                                      ban girls from the convention and i bet most of the bs will die off
                                                                                                      Fuck off Hydro

                                                                                                      Maybe you don't pay attention but women run this industry....
                                                                                                      Almost every major affiliate program is run by women, same for billing companies, hosting companies, etc.

                                                                                                      Most of us have been in the biz for well over 5 years

                                                                                                      Ban the idiots who are just come to the shows to get drunk, high or laid vs. doing business.

                                                                                                      opps that would be 85% of the people there.

                                                                                                      Its a business not a fucking lifestyle. When people start getting over the "Big Dick Syndrome" and/or "I can't get laid so I do porn" then we might actually get to do business at a business conference.

                                                                                                      Reality is only restrained by preception
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                                                                                                        • tony299
                                                                                                          lurker
                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                          • 57021
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I came from the real business world and found things are very different in this space from the little people to some of the big companies. People are shocked when I make a deal and follow thru quickly ready for them to do their part only for them to drop the ball or the number of people who are afraid of the phone in this industry. So when I get disapointed I say to myself lower your expectations of other people in the space, this is the lemonade stand for grown ups. lol I could tell you stories .

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                                                                                                            • AaronM
                                                                                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                              • 46923
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                                                              hey man, good to see your sig is working now. I will have to check out tushy cash today
                                                                                                              Fuck off.

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                                                                                                                • tony299
                                                                                                                  lurker
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                  • 57021
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Azure Sales
                                                                                                                  Fuck off Hydro


                                                                                                                  Ban the idiots who are just come to the shows to get drunk, high or laid vs. doing business.

                                                                                                                  opps that would be 85% of the people there.

                                                                                                                  Its a business not a fucking lifestyle. When people start getting over the "Big Dick Syndrome" and/or "I can't get laid so I do porn" then we might actually get to do business at a business conference.

                                                                                                                  Reality is only restrained by preception

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                                                                                                                    • Ironhorse
                                                                                                                      Pixel Pusher
                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                      • 7094
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      You have become a victim of your own cult of personality
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                                                                                                                        • AMADude
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                          • 3875
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          I guess people like to act like they are important and a lot bigger than they actually are. I have been to many conventions only to get back to the office and follow up and these people that I met do not even remember our conversations.
                                                                                                                          No sig, just here to fuck around.

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                                                                                                                            • AaronM
                                                                                                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                              • 46923
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Azure Sales
                                                                                                                              Fuck off Hydro

                                                                                                                              Maybe you don't pay attention but women run this industry....
                                                                                                                              Almost every major affiliate program is run by women, same for billing companies, hosting companies, etc.

                                                                                                                              Most of us have been in the biz for well over 5 years

                                                                                                                              Ban the idiots who are just come to the shows to get drunk, high or laid vs. doing business.

                                                                                                                              opps that would be 85% of the people there.

                                                                                                                              Its a business not a fucking lifestyle. When people start getting over the "Big Dick Syndrome" and/or "I can't get laid so I do porn" then we might actually get to do business at a business conference.

                                                                                                                              Reality is only restrained by preception

                                                                                                                              While you are checking in with reality....Lets see some strong numbers on the looks of the women you are referring to.

                                                                                                                              Politicaly speaking, it may suck ass but here is a cold hard fact.....

                                                                                                                              Most programs hire attractive females over less attractive ones. This is done for a reason.

                                                                                                                              That's reality for you.

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                                                                                                                                • ytcracker
                                                                                                                                  stc is the greatest
                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 12403
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  i feel it is a conspiracy by the white man!
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                                                                                                                                    • Ironhorse
                                                                                                                                      Pixel Pusher
                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 7094
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AMADude
                                                                                                                                      I guess people like to act like they are important and a lot bigger than they actually are. I have been to many conventions only to get back to the office and follow up and these people that I met do not even remember our conversations.
                                                                                                                                      Some of that is bound to happen though, some people get really wasted at these things, you can hardly expect the drunkards to remember important details like business
                                                                                                                                      [email protected]

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                                                                                                                                        • pornstar2pac
                                                                                                                                          Omaha Hi/Lo
                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 17380
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                          Fuck off.

                                                                                                                                          ok, I'll pass on tushy cash for the next million hits
                                                                                                                                          Trump haters gonna hate. that's all they can do

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                                                                                                                                            • AaronM
                                                                                                                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 46923
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                                                                                              ok, I'll pass on tushy cash for the next million hits
                                                                                                                                              Perfect. I highly doubt that Escortbiz wants an affiliate who can not figure out how to type a URL directly into the borwser in the first place.

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                                                                                                                                                • KRL
                                                                                                                                                  Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 31429
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  For the adult industry, I go to the Internext show and a few times also to Vegas and that's it.

                                                                                                                                                  I really agree Aaron that you end up wasting your time at these things, from the business standpoint. Of course the social side is fun if you're into partying, but to think a lot of business deals people talk about are actually going to happen once they get back home isn't realistic.

                                                                                                                                                  I think most people I've met are either totally blitzed or stoned and don't even remember what they talked about once they get back from the shows anyway.
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                                                                                                                                                    • sherie
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 7020
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                      While you are checking in with reality....Lets see some strong numbers on the looks of the women you are referring to.

                                                                                                                                                      Politicaly speaking, it may suck ass but here is a cold hard fact.....

                                                                                                                                                      Most programs hire attractive females over less attractive ones. This is done for a reason.

                                                                                                                                                      That's reality for you.
                                                                                                                                                      While I hate to agree to this, in some cases it is true, however, looks will only get you so far. If you're hot and don't know squat about the program you're pushing you're not going to last as money does talking. The women in our office know their stuff if not we wouldn't have two successful programs.

                                                                                                                                                      *note, the same could be said for any industry where you are in the public, you don't see too many ugly wait staff serving you, you don't see many receptionists with no teeth, basing someone's ability to perform on their looks can backfire, if you don't know what you're doing then the company is going to suffer.

                                                                                                                                                      And about partying in the evenings, I try to do all my business during the day where people are fresh and sober, it is kind of difficult to take someone seriously when you or they are all trashed at a club and can't hear what the other person is saying over the music.
                                                                                                                                                      Last edited by sherie; 05-12-2004, 08:19 AM.
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                                                                                                                                                        • pornstar2pac
                                                                                                                                                          Omaha Hi/Lo
                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 17380
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                          Perfect. I highly doubt that Escortbiz wants an affiliate who can not figure out how to type a URL directly into the borwser in the first place.


                                                                                                                                                          I think they wouldn't mind making money if it was coming from the pope.
                                                                                                                                                          Trump haters gonna hate. that's all they can do

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                                                                                                                                                            • tony299
                                                                                                                                                              lurker
                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 57021
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                                              For the adult industry, I go to the Internext show and a few times also to Vegas and that's it.

                                                                                                                                                              I really agree Aaron that you end up wasting your time at these things, from the business standpoint. Of course the social side is fun if you're into partying, but to think a lot of business deals people talk about are actually going to happen once they get back home isn't realistic.

                                                                                                                                                              I think most people I've met are either totally blitzed or stoned and don't even remember what they talked about once they get back from the shows anyway.

                                                                                                                                                              I just got a business idea, run a court stenographer service at the shows. For fee a stenographer will follow you thru the shows and record all conversations. So when making a deal with the stoned guy, it will be easy to refresh his memory when he gets home. You can just send him a transcript of the conversation lol.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Basic_man
                                                                                                                                                                  Programming King Pin
                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 27360
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  There are stupid webmasters in there
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Ross
                                                                                                                                                                      Ik ben een aap
                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 18874
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                      Politicaly speaking, it may suck ass but here is a cold hard fact.....

                                                                                                                                                                      Most programs hire attractive females over less attractive ones. This is done for a reason.

                                                                                                                                                                      That's reality for you.
                                                                                                                                                                      Very true, but there is also a reason they do this:

                                                                                                                                                                      Coz there are so many losers in this business who get off talking to a hot girl online. They think that if they talk enough and maybe send a signup or two in that pay period and save hard they can fly to a convention and meet her....

                                                                                                                                                                      All wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                      I noticed to the couple of conventions I have been to that their are a lot of fucking idiots in our business. In Cancun some people spoke with me and I knew they were full of bullshit. What can you do? Sit and listen? Or tell them to fuck off?

                                                                                                                                                                      Me personally I would never purposely offend someone, I'll try and be nice and listen but there's only so much bullshit one person can take.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                          lurker
                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Azure Sales
                                                                                                                                                                          Fuck off Hydro

                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe you don't pay attention but women run this industry....
                                                                                                                                                                          Almost every major affiliate program is run by women, same for billing companies, hosting companies, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                          What billing companiies are you talking about? What large hosting companies are you talking about? I am curious

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Azure Sales
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 170
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                              While you are checking in with reality....Lets see some strong numbers on the looks of the women you are referring to.

                                                                                                                                                                              Politicaly speaking, it may suck ass but here is a cold hard fact.....

                                                                                                                                                                              Most programs hire attractive females over less attractive ones. This is done for a reason.

                                                                                                                                                                              That's reality for you.

                                                                                                                                                                              Come on AaronM -

                                                                                                                                                                              KK, me, Kathi, Peaches, CJ, Sloan, Faye, Lee, Jenna, Aly, Tina, Sarah, Carol, Mary, Karen etc

                                                                                                                                                                              The list marches on most of us have been in the business for over 5 years.... some of us for 10 years + We have been doing business not just being eye candy from the beginning. Are you saying that you have never done a successful business deal with any one of us?


                                                                                                                                                                              KK - epassporte before that CCbill
                                                                                                                                                                              Kathi - National Net
                                                                                                                                                                              Peaches - Weg and WTS
                                                                                                                                                                              Faye - Cybernet Expo
                                                                                                                                                                              Aly - Python
                                                                                                                                                                              Tina - Video Secrets

                                                                                                                                                                              Enough of a resume?
                                                                                                                                                                              Lets talk reality......
                                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by Azure Sales; 05-12-2004, 08:24 AM.
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                                                                                                                                                                                • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                                  lurker
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Azure Sales
                                                                                                                                                                                  Come on AaronM -

                                                                                                                                                                                  KK, me, Kathi, Peaches, CJ, Sloan, Faye, Lee, Jenna, Aly, Tina, Sarah, Carol, Mary, Karen etc

                                                                                                                                                                                  The list marches on most of us have been in the business for over 5 years.... some of us for 10 years + We have been doing business not just being eye candy from the beginning. Are you saying that you have never done a successful business deal with any one of us?


                                                                                                                                                                                  KK - epassporte before that CCbill
                                                                                                                                                                                  Kathi - National Net
                                                                                                                                                                                  Peaches - Weg and WTS
                                                                                                                                                                                  Faye - Cybernet Expo
                                                                                                                                                                                  Aly - Python
                                                                                                                                                                                  Tina - Video Secrets

                                                                                                                                                                                  Enough of a resume?
                                                                                                                                                                                  Lets talk reality......

                                                                                                                                                                                  Kathi from National Net isnt in sales.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Azure Sales
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 170
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                                                      Kathi from National Net isnt in sales.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Gee you might want to let her know because I'm just about to buy a server from her.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                                          lurker
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Azure Sales
                                                                                                                                                                                          Gee you might want to let her know because I'm just about to buy a server from her.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Sales is not her title I forgot now what is it was. You have a real bite to your words, were you the pissed off looking brunette with the blonde girl?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Peaches
                                                                                                                                                                                              Old broad
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 13933
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                                                              Kathi from National Net isnt in sales.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Sure she is. Not on paper maybe, but her presence is most certainly "selling" National Net

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Azure Sales
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 170
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sales is not her title I forgot now what is it was. You have a real bite to your words, were you the pissed off looking brunette with the blonde girl?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Are you referring to my game face or the point when I was done dealing with the wanna be's
                                                                                                                                                                                                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                                                      lurker
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Peaches
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sure she is. Not on paper maybe, but her presence is most certainly "selling" National Net

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you when you work for a single owner company everyone job at the end of the day is selling .

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