The Beheading Will Backfire Politically On Radical Islam....
 

First off, I express my condolensces to the family of that poor boy. That is beyond terrible and beyond words.

Politically, American & Western hating Islam has had a good week as far as world opinion goes due to the abuse of prisoners by American and British forces. They couldn't have asked for anything more. Then they go and do this for "retaliation" of the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners? Bullshit. This was a reason for them to do what they've always done. These are brutal and barbaric fanatics who have been bred this way in a system of tyranny and religious fanaticism.

And its all now about to backfire for them now. Now, forever will be linked in the western mind, when the media talks about American abuse of Iraqi prisoners, how we deal with their prisoners versus how they deal with them. Even at our ugliest, its simply incomparable to the evil of beheading someone. In one fell swoop, a swoop of evil and horror, they have made what we had done seem trivial and bland. This just illustrates the sickness and diseased minds of these religious fanatics.

Whats interesting is what will the west's response be to the next big Al Quaeda attack that would be on par, either approaching or exceeding, 911. Because...........you know its coming and these fucked up fanatics won't stop.

You're right there.

Western countries and Islamic countries are two trains on the same track heading towards each other at full speed.

We have a major worldwide problem now and in the years ahead with no viable solutions.

This is the truth.

Actually I think rape is much worst than a beheading but that's just my opinion. As for the issue at hand, no it won't backfire on Radical Islam, it'll backfire on moderate muslims who'll feel oppressed by the west and then there hate towards us will grow.

What will be the west response the next Al-Qaeda attack? Probably something even more stupid than invading Iraq, what's for sure is that it won't help solve things and it'll get the world into even more trouble than it already is. What can I say? It's nothing I didn't expect though.

I mean, come on Roger. I can respect your opinion and so forth but on that point, get real & get a clue.

thats a quick death...ever been raped before? Years of living with that fresh in your mind..definately worse unless your into that shit.

Your right, they will pay dearly.
And if another attack happens the problem is this....
Who do we retaliate against?

I hate agreeing with you all the time. :mad:

OK Roger..............lets assume another attack has happened on a level similar to 911.........and you'd have to have your head up your ass to think this won't happen. It could take one year. It could take five. Thats not the point. The point is, lets assume it happened again. What, in your opinion, should the west do then?

Perhaps I'm wrong but I always felt that rapers should get the same sentence as murderers. I believe I mentioned it a few times here, of course I haven't seen the video though.

True..this has been an ongoing problem since 1948. It's finally approaching it's climax now..

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with this thread, much as I'd like to believe it to be true. The fact is,is that brutal people all over the world do this sort of thing every day and are NEVER called to task for it. America haters will always find some wayto blame the US for everything....even this, and nothing that anyone else does will ever be seen as nearly as bad as the smallest American transgretions.

just wait and see.....:( :2 cents:

Sure there is. Build a time machine, travel back to the 70s and don't sell any American weaponry to Israel. Problem solved.

After all, when the palistinians murdered a pregnant woman and her children at point blank range a couple of weeks ago....was there any out rage? No. Why? Because she was Isreali, and that is synonimus with the US in the eyes of the world.

That's a quick death? they sawed his head off with a knife, the guy was screaming for at least ten seconds, get a clue.

That was sooo well said...
:thumbsup :thumbsup

Yeah for sure !

Sperbonzo, I really wasn't addressing my points to American haters. They won't change their minds no matter what. I know ppl like this, too. I'm not kidding. If I called them to task right now over this beheading, they'd somehow rationalize it that what we did to their prisoners was worse..........or that we did what we did to more prisoners so somehow its worse, etc etc. That my friend is mental midgetry and I won't touch it & quite honestly, those people are quite hopeless in being rational and dealing with issues saliently. They simply hate America and thats it.

I'm trying to address my points to the what the future holds and deep down, we all know what it holds. As if there will never be a huge tragic attack again on us by these fanatics. I'm addressing my points to most out there who are reasonable, and may have differing viewpoints on how to deal with things, but as said, are nonetheless quite reasonable. The haters? Well, they will always hate anyways & I grow tired and impatient listening to assholes like that..............if I want to listen to an asshole, I'd fart instead.

Why is it that every time something goes wrong in Iraq it is bad for the US. With this thinking when Perl harbor happened should we have ask ourselves why the Japanese hated us....I am sorry that so many blacks in the US have taken to Islam they went there to find an Identity for themselves but now we are divided
more that ever over this... I think we would stand united over Iraq
here in the US if this was not the case. sad.......

Questions:

1) Do you think Al Quida recruitment was helped by the torture/rape stories?

2) Do you think Al Quida recruitment was helped by the beheading?

3) Do you think Al Quida recruitment will be hurt if they succeed in pulling the western nations down to the level or brutality that we attribute to them?

4) Do you think torture of an ignorant Al Quida "cell member" will reveal intelligence information that the victim does not know?

5) Do you think things are going better than Bin Laden could have ever hoped for?

Not pretty, is it?

:rasta

I'm no genius, at this point it's quite late to be able to do anything constructive. The moderate muslims who used to like us, hate us now. All I can say is that when you're fighting terror you have to follow the rules and always have the moral highground. They like terror, they like tragedies, martyrdom and so on. They're trying to get us into that whole cycle of violence. There's no need to change our lives because of Al-Qaeda, the most important thing are the intelligence agencies. They should accomplish there missions in an efficient manner, follow the rules and avoid to generate publicity about there actions.

Sorry I don't really have much of a response for you, you're gonna need someone much smarter than I am to suggest on what should be done. What's coming is that we're gonna loose a lot more civil liberties, racism and religious extremism is gonna rise even more and we're gonna get more and more involved in the ME. Probably a few more wars, I don't see any other solution.

You have to keep in mind that other countries wouldn't act any better than the US, some would even act worst if they're attacked by Al-Qaeda. Won't be able to keep all of them in line, following one policy.

Good points, Paul. I have another point. What matters really is not so much Al Quaeda's next big move or attack. We know it will eventually come. What matters is what we do. The United States, like it or not, is the most powerful nation on earth and can act with devastating force unheard of before in human history, be it militarily or economically. In the end, we have the power to determine the course of events, and not Al Quaeda sects, and not Islamic fanatics. What the course of events will be remains to be seen. Yes, right now Bin Laden is gleeful at the turn of events, but history tells me that the powerful nation will end up with the last final hard turn of the screw. Lets not lose sight of this.

I'm waiting 2 see what happens to the French, they imported there own Islamic country, 10% Islamic:1orglaugh

Give' em 6 months 2 a year, fucking country is going to go up like a fire cracker.

Al-Qaida did the beheading. I thought Al-Qaida and Iraqis are two seperate groups.

"Experts point out that Saddam, a secular Iraqi nationalist who refuses to rule by the Muslim religious law of Sharia, is a natural enemy of Osama bin Laden.

As for bin Laden, he has vowed to topple Arab leaders like Saddam who don't embrace Islamic fundamentalism.

"Osama bin Laden hates Saddam Hussein and considers him an infidel," said Bari Atwan, editor of the London-based Arabic newspaper Al Quds . He says bin Laden was even ready to help liberate Kuwait when it was invaded by Iraq in 1990. "


http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/01/bushiraq021101

I think Al-Qaida (Bin Laden) is winning the game and did this to add more fuel to the fire. I don't think Bin Laden gives a fuck about the Iraqis. :2 cents:

Flash Al-Qaida is in Iraq and has been for some time.

Who do you think is taking credit for cutting the mans head off.
One of Osama bin Laden Lt's.

Al-Qaida is in Iraq to make it look like they are allies with the Iraqis. They are doing more harm than good for the Iraqis :2 cents:

Did you see exactly what they did to that poor young man? That was more then just a beheading, all that screaming in aggony is just so aweful. Not that rape is not bad because it is, I just cant see how anyone can compare the two.

I think your motives for Bin Laden are correct, Bin Laden helped support the Taliban because he believed in their view to make the country like the 15th century (banned music, women being covered, destruction of idols etc)
He has radical muslim beliefs, I found it weird the "muslims" he picked to attack the WTC, were seen drinking alcohol the night before they boarded the plane, he will do anything to achieve his own ends..

Should be interesting to watch the situation over there in the next few weeks. I feel sorry for anyone that has family members over there right now.

No I can't see that stuff, perhaps you're right.

All this terrorist and beheading shit they are not looking for sympathy for their cause they are looking to escalate tension between arabs and US by winding up the US and judging by most of the reactions to the beheading on this board they will succeed.