GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum (https://gfy.com/index.php)
-   Fucking Around & Business Discussion (https://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   Here's The Full Taguba Report Online > (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=284859)

KRL 05-07-2004 03:38 PM

Here's The Full Taguba Report Online >
 
All the grizzly details in the actual Taguba Investigation Report.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...800-mp-bde.htm

slavdogg 05-07-2004 03:39 PM

did you actually read all that ??

BRISK 05-07-2004 03:41 PM

For some reason, I just like to say the name Taguba.


TAGUBA!

:glugglug

Digipimp 05-07-2004 03:41 PM

It's shaping up to look like this was not just a few people abusing prisoners but more of an overall orchestrated plan that was done but a whole whole lot of fucking US soldiers in that prison.

I'm saying Rummy is gone within a month and when the videos hit it's going to get fucking ugly in Iraq like a motherfucker.

stevecore 05-07-2004 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg
did you actually read all that ??
heres the good parts.

6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by
military police personnel included the following acts:

a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees;
jumping on their naked feet;
b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and
female detainees;
c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various
sexually explicit positions for photographing;
d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and
keeping them naked for several days at a time;
e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's
underwear;
f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate
themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and
then jumping on them;
h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box,
with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his
fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;
i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a
detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old
fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked
detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a
picture;
k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female
detainee;
l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles)
to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least
one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;
m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.
(ANNEXES 25 and 26)

7. (U) These findings are amply supported by written
confessions provided by several of the suspects, written
statements provided by detainees, and witness statements.
In reaching my findings, I have carefully considered the
pre-existing statements of the following witnesses and
suspects (ANNEX 26):

a. (U) SPC Jeremy Sivits, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
b. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
c. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
c. (U) PFC Lynndie R. England, 372nd MP Company -
Suspect
d. (U) Adel Nakhla, Civilian Translator, Titan Corp.,
Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade- Suspect
e. (U) SPC Joseph M. Darby, 372nd MP Company
f. (U) SGT Neil A. Wallin, 109th Area Support Medical
Battalion
g (U) SGT Samuel Jefferson Provance, 302nd MI
Battalion
h (U) Torin S. Nelson, Contractor, Titan Corp.,
Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade
j. (U) CPL Matthew Scott Bolanger, 372nd MP
Company
k. (U) SPC Mathew C. Wisdom, 372nd MP Company
l. (U) SSG Reuben R. Layton, Medic, 109th Medical
Detachment
m. (U) SPC John V. Polak, 229th MP Company

8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the
following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I
find credible based on the clarity of their statements
and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
(ANNEX 26):

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the
phosphoric liquid on detainees;
b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a
chair;
e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;
f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the
wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed
against the wall in his cell;
g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and
perhaps a broom stick.
h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and
intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one
instance actually biting a detainee.

9. (U) I have carefully considered the statements provided
by the following detainees, which under the circumstances
I find credible based on the clarity of their statements
and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses:

a. (U) Amjed Isail Waleed, Detainee # 151365
b. (U) Hiadar Saber Abed Miktub-Aboodi, Detainee #
13077
c. (U) Huessin Mohssein Al-Zayiadi, Detainee # 19446
d. (U) Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, Detainee # 151108
e. (U) Mohanded Juma Juma (sic), Detainee # 152307
f. (U) Mustafa Jassim Mustafa, Detainee # 150542
g. (U) Shalan Said Alsharoni, Detainee, # 150422
h. (U) Abd Alwhab Youss, Detainee # 150425
i. (U) Asad Hamza Hanfosh, Detainee # 152529
j. (U) Nori Samir Gunbar Al-Yasseri, Detainee # 7787
k. (U) Thaar Salman Dawod, Detainee # 150427
l. (U) Ameen Sa'eed Al-Sheikh, Detainee # 151362
m. (U) Abdou Hussain Saad Faleh, Detainee # 18470
(ANNEX 26)



stevecore 05-07-2004 03:43 PM

10. (U) I find that contrary to the provision of AR 190-8,
and the findings found in MG Ryder's Report, Military
Intelligence (MI) interrogators and Other US Government
Agency's (OGA) interrogators actively requested that MP
guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable
interrogation of witnesses. Contrary to the findings of
MG Ryder's Report, I find that personnel assigned to the
372nd MP Company, 800th MP Brigade were directed to
change facility procedures to "set the conditions" for MI
interrogations. I find no direct evidence that MP
personnel actually participated in those MI
interrogations. (ANNEXES 19, 21, 25, and 26).

11. (U) I reach this finding based on the actual proven
abuse that I find was inflicted on detainees and by the
following witness statements. (ANNEXES 25 and 26):

a. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company, stated in
her sworn statement regarding the incident where a
detainee was placed on a box with wires attached to his
fingers, toes, and penis, "that her job was to keep
detainees awake." She stated that MI was talking to CPL
Grainer. She stated: "MI wanted to get them to talk.
It is Grainer and Frederick's job to do things for MI
and OGA to get these people to talk."

b. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company, stated in
his sworn statement as follows: "I witnessed prisoners
in the MI hold section, wing 1A being made to do various
things that I would question morally. In Wing 1A we
were told that they had different rules and different
SOP for treatment. I never saw a set of rules or SOP
for that section just word of mouth. The Soldier in
charge of 1A was Corporal Granier. He stated that the
Agents and MI Soldiers would ask him to do things, but
nothing was ever in writing he would complain (sic)."
When asked why the rules in 1A/1B were different than
the rest of the wings, SGT Davis stated: "The rest of
the wings are regular prisoners and 1A/B are Military
Intelligence (MI) holds." When asked why he did not
inform his chain of command about this abuse, SGT Davis
stated: " Because I assumed that if they were doing
things out of the ordinary or outside the guidelines,
someone would have said something. Also the wing
belongs to MI and it appeared MI personnel approved of
the abuse." SGT Davis also stated that he had heard MI
insinuate to the guards to abuse the inmates. When
asked what MI said he stated: "Loosen this guy up for
us." Make sure he has a bad night." "Make sure he gets
the treatment." He claimed these comments were made to
CPL Granier and SSG Frederick. Finally, SGT Davis
stated that (sic): "the MI staffs to my understanding
have been giving Granier compliments on the way he has
been handling the MI holds. Example being statements
like, "Good job, they're breaking down real fast. They
answer every question. They're giving out good
information, Finally, and Keep up the good work . Stuff
like that."

c. (U) SPC Jason Kennel, 372nd MP Company, was asked
if he were present when any detainees were abused. He
stated: "I saw them nude, but MI would tell us to take
away their mattresses, sheets, and clothes." He could
not recall who in MI had instructed him to do this, but
commented that, "if they wanted me to do that they
needed to give me paperwork." He was later informed
that "we could not do anything to embarrass the
prisoners."

d. (U) Mr. Adel L. Nakhla, a US civilian contract
translator was questioned about several detainees
accused of rape. He observed (sic): "They (detainees)
were all naked, a bunch of people from MI, the MP were
there that night and the inmates were ordered by SGT
Granier and SGT Frederick ordered the guys while
questioning them to admit what they did. They made them
do strange exercises by sliding on their stomach, jump
up and down, throw water on them and made them some wet,
called them all kinds of names such as "gays" do they
like to make love to guys, then they handcuffed their
hands together and their legs with shackles and started
to stack them on top of each other by insuring that the
bottom guys penis will touch the guy on tops butt."

e. (U) SPC Neil A Wallin, 109th Area Support Medical
Battalion, a medic testified that: "Cell 1A was used to
house high priority detainees and cell 1B was used to
house the high risk or trouble making detainees. During
my tour at the prison I observed that when the male
detainees were first brought to the facility, some of
them were made to wear female underwear, which I think
was to somehow break them down."

12. (U) I find that prior to its deployment to Iraq for
Operation Iraqi Freedom, the 320th MP Battalion and the
372nd MP Company had received no training in
detention/internee operations. I also find that very
little instruction or training was provided to MP
personnel on the applicable rules of the Geneva
Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War,
FM 27-10, AR 190-8, or FM 3-19.40. Moreover, I find that
few, if any, copies of the Geneva Conventions were ever
made available to MP personnel or detainees. (ANNEXES 21-
24, 33, and multiple witness statements)

13. (U) Another obvious example of the Brigade Leadership
not communicating with its Soldiers or ensuring their
tactical proficiency concerns the incident of detainee
abuse that occurred at Camp Bucca, Iraq, on May 12, 2003.
Soldiers from the 223rd MP Company reported to the 800th
MP Brigade Command at Camp Bucca, that four Military
Police Soldiers from the 320th MP Battalion had abused a
number of detainees during inprocessing at Camp Bucca.
An extensive CID investigation determined that four
soldiers from the 320th MP Battalion had kicked and
beaten these detainees following a transport mission from
Talil Air Base. (ANNEXES 34 and 35)


StuartD 05-07-2004 03:45 PM

Yeah, after doing all that, including sodomizing the men with broom handles (shudder).... what do they recommend?

training.

:eek7

MattO 05-07-2004 03:46 PM

videos... it only gets worse

KRL 05-07-2004 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg
did you actually read all that ??
About half of it so far:

Some of this stuff is pretty sicko:

"They made them do strange exercises by sliding on their stomach, jump up and down, throw water on them and made them some wet, called them all kinds of names such as "gays" do they like to make love to guys, then they handcuffed their hands together and their legs with shackles and started to stack them on top of each other by insuring that the bottom guys penis will touch the guy on tops butt."

"During my tour at the prison I observed that when the male detainees were first brought to the facility, some of them were made to wear female underwear, which I think was to somehow break them down."

6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by
military police personnel included the following acts:

a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees;
jumping on their naked feet;

b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and
female detainees;

c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various
sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and
keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's
underwear;

f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate
themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and
then jumping on them;

h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box,
with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his
fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a
detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old
fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked
detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a
picture;

k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female
detainee;

l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles)
to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least
one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the
following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I
find credible based on the clarity of their statements
and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
(ANNEX 26):

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the
phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a
chair;

e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the
wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed
against the wall in his cell;

g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and
perhaps a broom stick.

h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and
intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one
instance actually biting a detainee.

KRL 05-07-2004 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MattO
videos... it only gets worse
From reading the report they had female prisoners pose naked while the MP's made pics and videos of them.

They also forced the male prisoners to strip naked and start masturbating and made videos of them jerking off.

OMG if they show stuff like this in the media next the US will become completely fucked up looking.

herbal logic 05-07-2004 04:00 PM

yet its ok to blow their heads off with heavy artilery.

Digipimp 05-07-2004 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
From reading the report they had female prisoners pose naked while the MP's made pics and videos of them.

They also forced the male prisoners to strip naked and start masturbating and made videos of them jerking off.

OMG if they show stuff like this in the media next the US will become completely fucked up looking.

don't worry there are videos as you already know and they're going to fucking explode onto the scene and iraq is going to implode

Jdoughs 05-07-2004 04:00 PM

They should arrest everyone of them for rape, assault and any hate crime they can fit in..

That is completely unacceptable and shows you WHO the fuckin animals are.

And having them in the military just makes the army look like a complete joke.

And the next time some hardass militants hit the United States...everyone will ask again..why here? why us? why now?

Fuck..i wonder

eroswebmaster 05-07-2004 04:03 PM

according to some geniuses around here it's nothing more than a bit of hazing and harassment...worse goes on duing rush week at your local colleges.

eroswebmaster 05-07-2004 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by herbal logic
yet its ok to blow their heads off with heavy artilery.
war is war...but once they become prisoners the rules of the game is supposed to change.

MattO 05-07-2004 04:08 PM

The whole things reads like a prison madhouse... so many prisoner on prisoner fights broken up with "non-lethal fire", so many escapes, failed and successful...

StuartD 05-07-2004 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
according to some geniuses around here it's nothing more than a bit of hazing and harassment...worse goes on duing rush week at your local colleges.
I know, heaven forbid some of us refer to that stuff as "torture" or else we attacked for having some kind of wrong definition of the word.

Well, it sure isn't a stroll on the beach no matter what ya call it.

Jakke PNG 05-07-2004 04:10 PM

Quote:

I also find that very
little instruction or training was provided to MP
personnel on the applicable rules of the Geneva
Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War,
FM 27-10, AR 190-8, or FM 3-19.40. Moreover, I find that
few, if any, copies of the Geneva Conventions were ever
made available to MP personnel or detainees. (ANNEXES 21-
24, 33, and multiple witness statements)
HOW is it possible to have people guard pow's that don't even probably know anything about the geneva convention. The rules of war were one of the first things they tought us when I was in the army...

eroswebmaster 05-07-2004 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by herbal logic
yet its ok to blow their heads off with heavy artilery.
war is war...but once they become prisoners the rules of the game is supposed to change.

herbal logic 05-07-2004 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
war is war...but once they become prisoners the rules of the game is supposed to change.
I don't disagree.... I could just see how it becomes very emotional as a US soldier when your friends are being killed in a guerrilla fashion trying to maintain peace.

Jakke PNG 05-07-2004 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by herbal logic
I don't disagree.... I could just see how it becomes very emotional as a US soldier when your friends are being killed in a guerrilla fashion trying to maintain peace.
Yet people would cheer if there were SEAL sniper success stories on CNN. Usually the coin has 2 sides, no?

herbal logic 05-07-2004 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Yet people would cheer if there were SEAL sniper success stories on CNN. Usually the coin has 2 sides, no?
always.... just as there is a lot of good happening in Iraq.

KRL 05-07-2004 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
HOW is it possible to have people guard pow's that don't even probably know anything about the geneva convention. The rules of war were one of the first things they tought us when I was in the army...
LOL - research these companies that got the contract for the prison guards and interrogators. Titan Corp. and CACI. Both tied to Republican special interest military industrial big wigs. Look at their board of directors and the interlocking directorships. You can find Cheney connections also.

Companies making a lot of money charging outrageous hourly fees to the government for these contract services. The government ok'ing these lucrative deals because the companies in turn donate large amounts to the politicians in the US.

Its always about the buck at the end of the day at the expense of those without a voice.

directfiesta 05-07-2004 04:32 PM

shamefull....

Liberation my ass.... :321GFY

Fletch XXX 05-07-2004 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
LOL - research these companies that got the contract for the prison guards and interrogators. Titan Corp. and CACI. Both tied to Republican special interest military industrial big wigs. Look at their board of directors and the interlocking directorships. You can find Cheney connections also.

7. (U) These findings are amply supported by written
confessions provided by several of the suspects, written
statements provided by detainees, and witness statements.
In reaching my findings, I have carefully considered the
pre-existing statements of the following witnesses and
suspects (ANNEX 26):

a. (U) SPC Jeremy Sivits, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
b. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
c. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company - Suspect
c. (U) PFC Lynndie R. England, 372nd MP Company -
Suspect
d. (U) Adel Nakhla, Civilian Translator, <font color="yellow">Titan Corp.,</font>
Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade- Suspect
e. (U) SPC Joseph M. Darby, 372nd MP Company
f. (U) SGT Neil A. Wallin, 109th Area Support Medical
Battalion
g (U) SGT Samuel Jefferson Provance, 302nd MI
Battalion
h (U) Torin S. Nelson, Contractor, <font color="yellow">Titan Corp.,</font>
Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade
j. (U) CPL Matthew Scott Bolanger, 372nd MP
Company
k. (U) SPC Mathew C. Wisdom, 372nd MP Company
l. (U) SSG Reuben R. Layton, Medic, 109th Medical
Detachment
m. (U) SPC John V. Polak, 229th MP Company

Seems like some Titan Corp operatives are selling them out no?

Torin Nelson is Titan Corp, and so is Adel Nakhla

?


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:26 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©2000-, AI Media Network Inc123