Fat People: Victims or Dirt bags?
 

In MOST of the rest of the world outside of USA/CAN/EU/AU being fat is not a bad thing. In fact its looked upon as being rich/affluent/comfortable.

However, in the US there seems to be a MORAL JUDGMENT against hefty people. They are viewed as lazy, stupid, ugly, dumb, or otherwise morally suspect. Why is this? Given that the US has an over 50% obesity rate, shouldn't fat people be more accepted in this society?

Moreover, as the economy evolves and people work more and more sedentary jobs, shouldn't our moral compass regarding body weight be adjusted?


Maybe with the rise of Jack Black as a serious actor, Americans are beginning to open their eyes to and be more accepting of MORPHOLOGICAL DIVERSITY than ever before?


DISCUSS.

(PS to those I've pissed with and I've called pigs, step off this thread)

Fat people are viewed as lazy because they're fat :2 cents:

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But what if their jobs tend to have low physical exertion requirements? ie., they work hard at their jobs but don't lose calories.... still lazy?

Fat people have a hard time moving around which is why they are considered lazy.

Yeah, your right. I hear working on the computer doesn't burn too much calories :Graucho

They can always go workout after work, instead of getting a couple value meals from MickeyD's and sitting on GFY all night.

Fat people deserve respect. I would never diss someone on the sole basis their fat.
I went to a buffet tonight at the casino, and their was this fat girl about 25 years old. She was HUGE. All alone, eating and clearly depressed. She caught me staring in disgust. I felt bad...

You may have a point. Not all people are fat because of "morally suspect" reasons (ie., lazy, etc) but some people's weight is due to their mental condition (depressed, etc)

All the more reason to step away from a moral judgement of fat people?

who said being fat was a bad thing?

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Stupid people, who happen to be fat, are looked upon poorly. Intelligence is being breed out of the gene pool in the united states. Stupid people, who happen to be fat, have a dozen little bastards who in turn have a dozen stupid fat little bastards and so on. They don't regulate their kids food because they're stupid and they end up a huge family in more ways than one.

Intelligent people tend to try to eat a little more and regulate their reproductive patterns.

Oh and what is regarded as obese is a little off. That scale needs to be changed. I'm about 5'11" 180lbs and I'm supposedly on the edge of being overweight. Even though I have great blood pressure and can run 3 miles in 17 minutes.

Thats my quick guess.

Yep, the old "ideal" weight calculation (based on height) definitely needs to be adjusted.

Who cares?

It's just as easy to be a fat P I M P as it is to be a thin one.

Notorious BIG
Fat Joe
Big Pun
Santa Claus
Al Roker (pre-surgery)
The Fat Boys

I agree but we can't ignore the larger social reality out there.

i'm impressed! an actual thread with substance to it!

all pissing matches aside, i personally don't think having a "lazy" job is an acceptable excuse for putting on weight.

i used to work on my feet 8 hours a day. i was as thin as a twig. when i started working online, i put on about 20 lbs in a few months without changing my diet.

Yeah I feel bad for all the fat girls. Dealing with ugliness is one of the toughest things in life imo. :2 cents:

If someone wants to be fat, then all the power to them... it is very unhealthy though.

and fat guys don't deserve your pity too? Some think that "fat" people are sexy.

exactly. Back in 2000 (before ARS fucked up and redesigned the site) I made $45K just off the site 'Grannies and Fatties.'

Notorious BIG - DEAD
Fat Joe
Big Pun - DEAD
Santa Claus - MAKE BELIEVE
Al Roker (pre-surgery) - SURGERY SO HE WOULDN'T BE DEAD
The Fat Boys - 1 FOUND GUILTY OF SEXUALLY ABUSING A MINOR AND ALSO DEAD

:(

I just wonder, fat people must be happy with just the way they are coz they aren't doing anything much to change their size. Maybe there are some advantages for being fat.

yep, being able to eat 6 large pizzas
ive noticed that thin people who are just lucky enough to be that way always bitch about overweight people and call them lazy. if a fat guy ate 1/2 of what they did he'd be twice the size.

That's just it. Fat people are happier coz they can eat whatever they want while thin people have to watch their diet every single minute of the day!

So food = happiness to you?

Notorious BIG was shot and murdered... So why's he on that list? Hell he wouldn't even have his famous voice if he wasn't fat.

yes, I noticed that,.. after doing lots of diets... I think they who are happy, not me, I cant eat nothing... no one chocolate at easter... damn´t

oh billy

i was talking about the skinny fucks who eat pizza by the pound and lose 2 lbs

There is a "MORAL JUDGMENT" against everyone, not just fat people.

It doesnt matter who you are or what you look like, there will always be someone who thinks it's their personal duty to point out all your "flaws" about you that they dont like.

So someone called you FAT and LAZY? Big deal get over it.

I'm skinny and I still get called names.



Sabby:)

fatty

I hate to tell you that fat people are not usually content with being fat. Our society as a whole has increased obesity by promoting fad diets and the wrong concepts about what is healthy food. There is so much misinformation and that is why in the struggle to look like a Barbie doll we get fatter. Excercize becomes harder but also more painful as many obese people are prone to muscular and joint disease. To be uneducated about this or any other subject and feel justified in saying somethig against the people it applies to is ignorant.

I can say this for sure. Fat is not like most people believe; there's something else going on there.

I was a top college athlete and starved myself all the time.
I would fast with nothing but water for 3 days at a time very often just to stay <font size=3>BIG!</font>.
Big, but not fat. Way too many times I fasted and didn't lose a pound. The longest I fasted was 9 days and I lost less pounds than when I just dieted for 9 days.

I've lost over 100 pounds three times in my life, but why did I have to do it three fucking times???

I'll tell you why; because each time I had to starve myself and this makes the body burn less calories so that when I started to eat just a little food again my weight would creep back up. I'd go back to almost starving but it seem not to do much. I'd still keep gaining.
Finally I figured this out. What I do is start pigging out for a while and then starving works again and I loose the weight again.

Pigging out makes the body burn calories faster and it will last for a while even after you start starving.

I'm lucky in that I can endure starving and keep my body looking good but this shit is rediculous for most people. I made a science out of this when I was a top athlelte and expecting everyone to do this is just insane. I don't think most people can handle drinking just water for three days. And even when I'm not on a diet I still don't eat jack shit and just watch my friend pig out like crazy and they never exercise while I'm running mile after mile.

Maybe it's in the genes because I have two brothers that weigh over 400 pounds and they always ask me how I keep my weight down but they can never do it. It's just too hard to do it my way.

I don't think my way is an answer to the problem because of the fact that I knew what to do, how to do it, the desire to do it and still I sea-sawed all over the place. Everyone of my girl friends ate more food that I did, never exercised and they never gained a pound.

I had one gf that was so skinny she bitched about not being able to gain weight. I decided to just eat what ever she ate in the same amounts for every meal and I ran 4 miles a day while she never did shit. I fucking started gaining weight. I knew then that something else is in this equation than just food and exercise.

If their job has low physical exertion requirements they shouldnt be eating food that will pack on. ie. if you sit a computer all day and submit you shouldnt sit there eating chocolate and creampies.

Well, I have been fat since I was about six. I have two honours levels degrees, am happily married and could have my pick of a long line of other men (and women) if and when I wish to induldge their fantasies. So, the argument that my brain power may be diminished by being fat is debatable.

I am not a victim in that while there are medical reasons (I won't bore you but there are) for my size I know that I could make a bit more of an effort to try to combat them a little bit. That said, I do not eat massive quantities and what I do eat is usually healthy. I do not exercise as much as I should but it is really hard to find the time when you are working all the time AND caring for a disabled spouse. I guess I am lazy though.

Oh and don't ever give me your pity. There is nothing in my life to pity me over.

Dirt bags.

I'd rather be fat than a stickman.I weight 300+ lbs My life is good, no health-problems, I can do whatever I want (play soccer, run, jog, play basketball.. whatever). Then I can sit on some little man who makes fun of me and he can't do anything about it.

I don't think the 'normal' people calling fat people fat, pigs, buckets of lard..whatever are quite sane. THEY probably have low self-esteem, which I definately don't. I don't see the fascination in trying to make anyone feel bad, luckily it won't work on me :)

... go nicely in vacumes.

Pls keep in mind that there are a MILLION reasons why people are overweight outside of being lazy or other willful behavior/unpleasant habits.

For example, a large number of Native Americans, Polynesian/Samoans, Sephardic Jews, Middle Easterners, etc have what geneticists call a "thrifty gene". These genes allow people to subsist on a MINIMAL amount of caloric intake yet still put on "regular" to "average" weight. Given their geographic origins, this gene was originally a GENETIC ADVANTAGE because it allowed people to thrive in nutrionally challenged terrain.

However, when you give someone with this "thrifty gene" a modern diet and calorie level, the thrifty gene makes them pack on pounds--quickly and massively. Result: higher proporion of Diabete type II in these population pools.

Genetics, rather than any moral failing or weakness, is the answer in this particular situation.

Can any rational people find blame with these individuals?

Don't take my word for it:

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1110/features/fighting.htm

I just like good food. Not junk food, but good food. Steaks fried with butter instead of dry teflon pan, cream garlic potatoes instead of boiled potatoes etc. I prefer to be fat and eat well than eat cabbage and look like a moviestar. How is that an unpleasant habit? It's a choice I've made, and I don't regret it.

fat people are looked down on because they don't care enough about their own health to get on a treadmill. some people have disabilities, but it's not an excuse. theres a million n one ways to burn it off, and if you can't stop stuffing your face then there's always crack.

So you see this issue as more of an aesthetic thing? ie., an inconvenience kind of like the homeless problem? Why does it have to be a moral failing? ie., there's something "wrong" with it?

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Thats ugly, really

spoken by someone who has obviously never been the person for whom the million in one ways doesn't work. You do have to love how everyone always knows everyone's medical history to KNOW that they don't care about their health.

"I'm fat "cause I eat and I eat cause I"m fat - it's an endless cycle" - to paraphrase Fat Bastard - It seems funny to most people but it many ways it's true - There's a real double standard with being big - In University I played on the Offensive Line and being large was celebrated - the bigger the better to most coaches - Hell look at the average NFL or CFL Lineman - they weigh well over 300lbs - but they are rightfully considered top level athletes - who can run 100 meter sprints in fractions of seconds slower than olympic atletes. The point is no matter what you do and what you look like there will be some people who glorify it and some that will put you down. It is just best to happy with yourself and as long as your close friends and family accept you for what you are then you have nothing to worry about. :thumbsup

neither

95% of diets fail , why do you think people are getting their stomachs (1 out of 200 people die having this surgery) cut up to deal with this, its you againstbiology and biology wins. Also this bullshit that all thin people exercise and eat healthy. I managed a jack shack the girls I worked with were hot,size 1's and 2's . One out of 40 girls was a gym rat, the rest hung out and ate like animals. I know because I placed the to go orders. I worked with a chinese guy who used to tell me have fucked I was genetically, while he at 130 lbs ate like he had 4 assholes.