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StickyGreen 04-15-2004 03:00 PM

Taxes......a MUST READ...
 
if you are an American and you pay taxes...you should read this...if you can even understand it that is...


Self-sacrifice is not synonymous with moral duty nor does it justify the accommodation of evil. The frivolous issue put forth and debated is whether or not the income tax is mandatory by law. No, it is not mandatory by law, but it is most definitely mandatory by force - police force. In the real world it does not matter what law requires. It matter what is required by force.

Our lives are dominated and consumed by the process and payment of taxes. It would be accurate to say that our existence is indexed to the tax system in America. Yet not one person in ten million has the monetary understanding that income taxes have absolutely nothing to do with the economic or financial support of the federal government.

The federal government does not need your income taxes to pay its bills. The income tax system (withholding) was inaugurated under the "crisis" of World War II in its present form. Before that time, not more than 1% of the American people paid any so-called tax on income. What did the government do for money all those years before World War II?

Modern money is numbers and abstraction. The government/central bank creates those numbers and "pay" the numbers, called dollars, for what it needs. The monetary system of the United States is regulated by the IRS income tax system. The IRS income tax system implies in the public mind that the IRS is collecting taxes to support the federal government and pay its expenses. This is not true but it serves as a disguise to hide the fraud.

What then is the IRS collecting? When you send your check to the IRS, the IRS then subtracts the numbers on your check from your checking account. In this action, the IRS is a regulator of your consumption. Your consumption of goods and services is reduced by the exact numbers. The fiat monetary system would not work without the regulation of your consumption. This essential function of the IRS is the reason that it is a system backed by police power.

Does the IRS spend your numbers (dollars) or send them to Washington as taxes? No, they disappear in the reverse manner that they were created. The more numbers that disappear, the more the government can create without causing price inflation.

When the IRS reduces your numbers, your consumption is effectively transferred to government consumption. The most revealing statement ever printed which describes the IRS system and reveals the fraud is that found in the book published in 1919 entitled "Economic Consequences of the Peace" by John Maynard Keynes. Lord Keynes is the darling of modern bankers, politicians and pseudo economists. Quote: "If government should refrain from regulation, (taxation) the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the fraud upon the people can be concealed no longer."

This statement clearly says that the income tax system covers the fraud that government prints its own money. THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED YOUR NUMBERS (DOLLARS). IT CREATES ITS OWN IN UNLIMITED AMOUNTS. BUT THE PEOPLE MUST BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE PAYING TAXES ACCORDING TO "THEIR FAIR SHARE."

:helpme

SuckOnThis 04-15-2004 03:01 PM

Tell it to the judge and see how far you get.

BRISK 04-15-2004 03:04 PM

http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pict...mn_circles.jpg

StickyGreen 04-15-2004 03:05 PM

/\ it's not for the judge...it's for the people so they can at least understand the concept...

demented 04-15-2004 03:11 PM

Makes sense.. if you think about it.

Snake Doctor 04-15-2004 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pict...mn_circles.jpg
Agreed

Roger 04-15-2004 03:14 PM

government is like a big mafia organisation.

Rictor 04-15-2004 03:15 PM

I support the One Tax sales tax.

TheDoc 04-15-2004 03:17 PM

Could someone post the LAW that states you have to pay income tax?


hmmmm

StickyGreen 04-15-2004 03:26 PM

People who are saying it makes sense must be educated and actually know something about economics...those who are saying conspiracy shit or whatever must be plain ignorant...the information is right there...read it...

StickyGreen 04-15-2004 03:27 PM

TheDoc...

you must have missed line 3...

No, it is not mandatory by law, but it is most definitely mandatory by force - police force.

Dusen 04-15-2004 03:29 PM

The government cannot just print unlimited amounts of money. This is how you make your dollar worthless.

69pornlinks 04-15-2004 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Tell it to the judge and see how far you get.
did you hear about that chick that was a flight attendant, she beat a federal case concerning her taxes i'll try to find the link when i get around to it...it wasn/t reported on fox/ccn for reasons people would say hey i'm expemt also

genomega 04-15-2004 03:32 PM

The irs calls it voluntary.

:Graucho

Roger 04-15-2004 03:34 PM

I know that in Canada it's against the law to pay federal taxes yet everyone pays :)

Roger 04-15-2004 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by genomega
The irs calls it voluntary.
The trick is to stop thinking of it as your money :)

JDog 04-15-2004 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 69pornlinks


did you hear about that chick that was a flight attendant, she beat a federal case concerning her taxes i'll try to find the link when i get around to it...it wasn/t reported on fox/ccn for reasons people would say hey i'm expemt also

YEa find that link, I'd like to see it!

jDoG

NetRodent 04-15-2004 03:36 PM

Every good conspiracy theory has a kernel of truth.

pornguy 04-15-2004 03:41 PM

The funny thing is that taxes are against the constitution.

That is why they made the ammendment. so that they could collect them

StickyGreen 04-15-2004 03:45 PM

i just think its funny cuz the average person thinks they pay taxes so the government can support itself...when they're actually just reducing and regulating your numbers and power to consume so they can continue to do their thing...

Snake Doctor 04-15-2004 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
The funny thing is that taxes are against the constitution.

That is why they made the ammendment. so that they could collect them

Taxes aren't against the principles of the original constitution, only INCOME taxes are.
And the constitution doesn't specifically say that income taxes are wrong, but the supreme court ruled that income tax was unconstitutional, which is why the constitution was amended.

To use your line of thinking, a woman's right to vote is unconstitutional also, but once the constitution gets amended what is and isn't constitutional changes.

69pornlinks 04-15-2004 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDog


YEa find that link, I'd like to see it!

jDoG

she was a pilot not attendant, very sexist of me..haha

here's the case number U.S. District Court, Western District of Tennessee (Memphis) # 03-CR-20111, USA v. Kuglin just in case you wanna look it up

icecycle 04-15-2004 04:00 PM

great to see some of you know the deal
for others learn here

http://anon.taxableincome.speedera.net/index_cache.html

the federal reserve is not federal at all...its foreign bankers
and the currency is fiat (not backed by anything)

no constitutional amendment made our income taxable either

goBigtime 04-15-2004 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger
government is like a big mafia organisation.
forgetaboutit.

Snake Doctor 04-15-2004 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by icecycle


no constitutional amendment made our income taxable either

Amendment XVI

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

icecycle 04-15-2004 04:40 PM

keyword "source"

follow link in my above post

also the supreme court has said that the 16th conveyed no new taxing powers

our income is protected by the constitution

Snake Doctor 04-15-2004 04:50 PM

I followed the link....a bunch of convoluted bullshit if you ask me.

Reading stuff like that reminds me of reading the unabomber manifesto or the principles of the montana freeman, talking about how money is worthless because it isn't backed by gold and banks are evil institutions controlled by foreign powers blah blah blah.

The government is coming to get us, let's go blow up a building.

:1orglaugh

icecycle 04-15-2004 05:00 PM

actually it speaks nothing about blowing up buildings
but go ahead and continue to pay what you dont owe

just trying to point a few of you toward the truth

no problem if you feel otherwise :thumbsup

warlock5 04-15-2004 05:13 PM

Who cares whether taxes are illegal, real, fake, or whatever, I'd just like to keep my own money please!

icecycle 04-15-2004 05:49 PM

and that is what the constitution says you can do

it is your right to keep it

so please help to educate america since we have been asleep at the wheel

StickyGreen 04-15-2004 09:31 PM

any educated person should be able to read what i posted originally...and understand that it makes sense...

bringer 04-15-2004 09:33 PM

http://www.fairtax.org/

The Heron 04-15-2004 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dusen
The government cannot just print unlimited amounts of money. This is how you make your dollar worthless.
One good statement in a pile of poo. Get a clue the rest of you!

webmaster x 04-15-2004 10:41 PM

A good read. Thanks.

Scootermuze 04-16-2004 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2


Amendment XVI

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

The authority of the federal government to collect its income tax depends upon the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the federal income tax amendment, which was allegedly ratified in 1913. After a year of extensive research, Bill Benson discovered that the 16th Amendment was not ratified by the required 3/4 of the states, but nevertheless Secretary of State Philander Knox fraudulently announced ratification.


Reference

woj 04-16-2004 12:46 AM

It's all smoke and mirrors... the whole world economics is based on the fact that people believe that pieces of paper (money) have value...

Ash@phpFX 04-16-2004 01:26 AM

interesting, ill read up on this later

AnalProbe 04-16-2004 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by woj
It's all smoke and mirrors... the whole world economics is based on the fact that people believe that pieces of paper (money) have value...
I second that !


What would mean that we could launch our own money.

As long as the user of that money believes in its worth, it's usable.


Imagine Adult Money with nice chicks on it instead of ugly old men.

:1orglaugh

icecycle 04-16-2004 01:40 AM

please enough with the 16th amendment

if you are a private citizen working in the 50 states
collecting a paycheck then you dont make 16th amendment income!

more here
http://www.originalintent.org/edu/consttax.php

icecycle 04-16-2004 01:45 AM

and if you care to learn more about our paper money

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tma68/griffin.htm


if you're not outraged, you're not informed!

bufferover 04-16-2004 01:46 AM

I don't know here lot of people avoid to pay taxes but i realy don't want to have any problems with the law

icecycle 04-16-2004 01:57 AM

and the law you are referring to is?

not avoiding paying taxes
just not into paying taxes im not liable for

PigBlimpin' 04-16-2004 02:35 AM

The Income Tax system was implemented under "Wartime" which if you ask anyone with any knowledge of what is going on in the Gov't, the U.S. is ALWAYS in "Wartime". Many laws were started and have stayed in effect because of "Wartime" needs.

:2 cents:

Dusen 04-16-2004 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by StickyGreen
This statement clearly says that the income tax system covers the fraud that government prints its own money. THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED YOUR NUMBERS (DOLLARS). IT CREATES ITS OWN IN UNLIMITED AMOUNTS. BUT THE PEOPLE MUST BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE PAYING TAXES ACCORDING TO "THEIR FAIR SHARE."

I still cannot fathom how anyone believes this for a second. Unlimited amounts? Get a clue.

If you're outraged at the government being able to "create" money without consequences you are obviously ignorant of the consequences of flooding the world with your currency. There ARE consequences, but on a greater level than your paycheque or $30,000 debt owing to the IRS.

You know what you call someone who refuses to pay taxes? A leech. Don't like taxes? Get an accountant and find loopholes or whatnot to save your money. Simply flat out refusing to pay taxes but driving on roads and walking in parks, as well as countless other things is both hypocritical and parasitic.

Mr. Marks 04-16-2004 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Tell it to the judge and see how far you get.
Or better yet....

Tell it to his cellmate.... see how far that gets him (up his ass!)


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