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USA: Sobering statistics for all of you who only want to pay your fair share

03-28-2004, 07:08 PM

Recieved this in an email this week from a friend of mine in the U.S.....

The United States gives out $13.3 billion tax dollars in direct Foreign Aid
annually. The United States is above and beyond the single most generous
benefactor of the United Nations, donating $2.4 billion dollars of YOUR
money, to primarily third-world dictators.

This amount is 25% of the United Nations budget. In addition, the United
States also gives another $1.4 billion tax dollars to United Nations'
programs and agencies. The American taxpayers fund more for the United
Nations than ALL of the other 177 member nations COMBINED.

What most Americans do not realize is that the vast majority of the
recipients of the of US Foreign Aid routinely vote against the wishes of the
United States in the United Nations at an average rate of 74%. In other
words, of the $13.3 billion tax dollars invested in direct Foreign Aid only
about 26% or $3.5 billion went to support people who! endorsed American
initiatives or causes. A staggering $9.8 billion tax dollars went to causes
and people who were and are in open and direct opposition to the United
States' interests and objectives.

Listed below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States
which are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations'
records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time.
United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.
Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.
Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time
India votes against the United States 81% of the time.
Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

US Foreign Aid to those that hate us:
Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States,
still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.
Jordan votes 71% against the United States and receives $192,814,000
annually in US Foreign Aid.
Pakistan votes 75% against the United States receives $6,721,000 annually in
US Foreign Aid.
India votes 81% against the United States receives $143,699,000 annually in
US Foreign Aid.

Perhaps it is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the
American workers who are having! to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes.

Pass it along. Everyone needs to know this. Might even mention it to your
congressman, who knows it anyway...what a disgrace...no wonder the world has
no respect for us!

Discuss.....

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03-28-2004, 07:12 PM

Those are some pretty upsetting #'s. Especially now that taxes are due next month.
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03-28-2004, 07:12 PM

Only Israel votes 100% of the time with the US and they are the #1 recipient of foreign aid

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03-28-2004, 07:13 PM

I'm not American but if I was I would bitch about all this money going to those nations. Charity starts at home

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03-28-2004, 07:17 PM

old news

UN sucks ass like no tomorrow
let's face it, nobody gives a fuck about the UN unless the Marines show up to make some "warlord" stop killing his own people.

The should level that fucking building, and kick everyone of the diplomats out
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03-28-2004, 07:17 PM

Who cares how they vote in the UN? We just want to use their airspace to bomb other countrties and most of them on that list have rolled over for us plenty of times.
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03-28-2004, 07:17 PM

U.S Financial Aid To Israel:
Figures, Facts, and Impact

Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign- aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

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03-28-2004, 07:21 PM

The world is too complex to figure out anymore. I worry about me, myself, and I, my business partners, friends, family and those I care about each day are aok.

The UN and the way this country spends money has been fucked up for decades. Its out of control, mismanaged, and completely corrupted. Its too big and unwielding to change. Its too entrenched with bureaucrats who like the status quo of confusion and chaos so nobody can penetrate and see the reality of what goes on.

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03-28-2004, 07:21 PM

This is nothing new but it is a shining example of why we are in the trouble we're in globally.
Imagine if we didn't spend that money on the third world (where almost all terrorism comes from) and instead spent that money on defending our borders.
2 things would happen.
Our enemies would be vastly weaker and more inclined to worry about their next meal instead of their next attack.
And our defenses would be billions of dollars stronger.

It's such a simple concept but no one has the backbone.

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03-28-2004, 07:40 PM

Old news or not, if I was an American I would be getting pretty outraged by now over this.

The numbers are ridiculous, the situation outlined is so grossly unfair it's beyond incredible.

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03-28-2004, 07:45 PM

One thing to consider is many of these governments are walking a fine line with their own people and to show too much support for US policy would be political suicide, I'm sure the US government is well aware of this factor, it's a price they are willing to pay obviously.

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03-28-2004, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Its too entrenched with bureaucrats who like the status quo of confusion and chaos so nobody can penetrate and see the reality of what goes on.
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03-28-2004, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by 69pornlinks
U.S Financial Aid To Israel:
Figures, Facts, and Impact

Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign- aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

ok this one almost got me untill I noticed the dates in question...

Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

that's almost 50 years there.. so it's not like we are giving them 23k per Israeli every year, it's still a shitload of money ..

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03-28-2004, 08:02 PM

I never really understood why they would help out third world countries like that.It's disturbing to see how much money is actually spent on say Iraq when half of them ragheads would as soon kill you then shake your hand.
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03-28-2004, 08:26 PM

Don't forget to figure into that amount the number of American tax dollars that go to provide a free education, free healthcare, and all the free 'let's crowd the emergency room with our stubbed toes and infectious lung parasites we brought from our own country' visits the proliferating illeagal immigrant family can muster up.

California has had to close 26 emergency rooms because there wasn't enough money to absorb the cost of all the uninsured and mostly illegal immigrants flooding their wating rooms using the facilities as a regular doctors office.

Now they want to pass a tax that will deduct a maximum of .50 $ per home telephone line and there will be no limit to the tax they can put on your cell or business line.

Then they get us to try and vote for it claiming it is to help improve our 911 emergency line response system when the fact is that less than 1% of the money raised will actually go serve that purpose.

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03-28-2004, 08:28 PM

"Lies, damned lies. And statistics". It is also a fact that the the USA's foreign aid, although the largest of any country in dollar terms, as a percentage of GNP is the lowest of any industrialized nation (http://www.oecd.org/home/).

Indeed, although on the face of it, the connection between aid and UN votes may not appear to be working too well and bombs grab more headlines, foreign aid is the new imperialism. It is often a mechanism that has turned much of the third world into suppliers of cheap labor and markets for products that formerly they either went without or attempted to manufacture themselves. In other cases, the US has bought support for issues it would otherwise not have support for. It may occasionally lose votes in the UN, but it rarely faces meaningful opposition to its wishes.

More significant than the role of the UN are those of the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank. Both these bodies are designed to favor developed nations and in particular the US (which has the right of veto as it does in the UN).

The debt crisis triggered in many countries as a result of receiving "aid" has forced most developing nations to hand over control of at least part of their economies to the IMF and World Bank. In such a crisis the IMF and World Bank step in and offer to re-structure loans: on certain conditions of course. Typically these involve removing barriers to imports and removing whatever protection of workers 'rights' and pay might exist.

In consequence, wages in most African countries have fallen by 50-60% since the early 1980s. In Mexico, Costa Rica and Bolivia average wages have fallen by a third since 1980.

Through the IMF/World Bank and the World Trade Organisation (WTO) it even gets to set the rules of global trade with its junior partners among the G7 nations (the seven most powerful economies). Recently, that has included attempts to force the acceptance of genetically modified foods on reluctant European states.

States which have defied this new world order, like Korea and Cuba, have been easily isolated militarily and economically. Or bombed back into the Stone Age, as with Afghanistan and Iraq.

With such economic control, the US hardly needs military control, although it has that too. For those who have forgotten the death toll read out during "Bowling for Columbine", since 1948 direct action by the US and financial/"technical" support for some extremely unpleasant regimes, have accounted for more than 10 million deaths around the world.

All these policies may work as intended, but they are hardly designed to make friends or create supporters.
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03-28-2004, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by jayeff

All these policies may work as intended, but they are hardly designed to make friends or create supporters.

While US policy does not always produce the intended results...US policy is primarily designed to benefit the US...and this is of course how it should be. Those in government would be derelict in their duty if this were not to be the case. I for one do not want my tax dollars spent on anything unless there is...at the least...a perceived benefit for the money spent.

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03-28-2004, 08:56 PM

We also have the most at stake!!!!

2003 GDP $10,400,000,000,000 (that's 10 Trillion Dollars)
Followed by china at 5.7, japan at 3.5, india at 2.6 and germany at 2.2). http://www.photius.com/rankings/gdp_2003_0.html

high investments in defense spending and foreign aid - is our way at buying times of peace - which allows us to the safety/security/tranquility - to do business.

and for one last bit of cliche wisdom - if something is everybody's problem. nobody is going to take responsibility. I applaud us for having the intelligence to continually step up to the plate - take the high ground - and pay the burden of all the other slack ass countries in this world
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03-28-2004, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by jayeff
"Lies, damned lies. And statistics". It is also a fact that the the USA's foreign aid, although the largest of any country in dollar terms, as a percentage of GNP is the lowest of any industrialized nation (http://www.oecd.org/home/).

Indeed, although on the face of it, the connection between aid and UN votes may not appear to be working too well and bombs grab more headlines, foreign aid is the new imperialism. It is often a mechanism that has turned much of the third world into suppliers of cheap labor and markets for products that formerly they either went without or attempted to manufacture themselves. In other cases, the US has bought support for issues it would otherwise not have support for. It may occasionally lose votes in the UN, but it rarely faces meaningful opposition to its wishes.

More significant than the role of the UN are those of the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank. Both these bodies are designed to favor developed nations and in particular the US (which has the right of veto as it does in the UN).

The debt crisis triggered in many countries as a result of receiving "aid" has forced most developing nations to hand over control of at least part of their economies to the IMF and World Bank. In such a crisis the IMF and World Bank step in and offer to re-structure loans: on certain conditions of course. Typically these involve removing barriers to imports and removing whatever protection of workers 'rights' and pay might exist.

In consequence, wages in most African countries have fallen by 50-60% since the early 1980s. In Mexico, Costa Rica and Bolivia average wages have fallen by a third since 1980.

Through the IMF/World Bank and the World Trade Organisation (WTO) it even gets to set the rules of global trade with its junior partners among the G7 nations (the seven most powerful economies). Recently, that has included attempts to force the acceptance of genetically modified foods on reluctant European states.

States which have defied this new world order, like Korea and Cuba, have been easily isolated militarily and economically. Or bombed back into the Stone Age, as with Afghanistan and Iraq.

With such economic control, the US hardly needs military control, although it has that too. For those who have forgotten the death toll read out during "Bowling for Columbine", since 1948 direct action by the US and financial/"technical" support for some extremely unpleasant regimes, have accounted for more than 10 million deaths around the world.

All these policies may work as intended, but they are hardly designed to make friends or create supporters.

New World Order huh?

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03-28-2004, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by 12clicks
This is nothing new but it is a shining example of why we are in the trouble we're in globally.
Imagine if we didn't spend that money on the third world (where almost all terrorism comes from) and instead spent that money on defending our borders.
2 things would happen.
Our enemies would be vastly weaker and more inclined to worry about their next meal instead of their next attack.
And our defenses would be billions of dollars stronger.

It's such a simple concept but no one has the backbone.

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03-28-2004, 09:02 PM

I want my money back ! Fuck the UN

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03-28-2004, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by theking
US policy is primarily designed to benefit the US.

Designed to benefit the US, yes. Whether it does/will and whether nationalism is a good or bad thing (and from what point of view) were not issues relevant to this thread.

The points I was trying to make was first that looking at US aid in isolation is a misleading pastime and second that the intent of US foreign aid (and therefore the barometer of its success or failure) is not - usually - to collect votes in the UN.
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03-28-2004, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by ajpiii
I want my money back ! Fuck the UN

I agree...I've always felt we should get the fuck out of the UN & save our money. Check this site out http://www.getusout.org/

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03-28-2004, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by jayeff

Designed to benefit the US, yes. Whether it does/will and whether nationalism is a good or bad thing (and from what point of view) were not issues relevant to this thread.

The points I was trying to make was first that looking at US aid in isolation is a misleading pastime and second that the intent of US foreign aid (and therefore the barometer of its success or failure) is not - usually - to collect votes in the UN.

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03-28-2004, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by spunky1
I never really understood why they would help out third world countries like that.It's disturbing to see how much money is actually spent on say Iraq when half of them ragheads would as soon kill you then shake your hand.
Fuck em..It's a dog eat dog world.

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03-28-2004, 09:34 PM

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03-28-2004, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by theking

Do you think my post is in disagreement with the point?

Disagreement? No. I hadn't after all, stated a position, only another perspective. Maybe my bad, but you quoted me and I couldn't see a direct link between what we each wrote.

Our exchange apart, I also commented further because it appears that many in this thread seem to assume that foreign aid is selfless charity and not an integral part of foreign/economic policy. Nor is the UN some sort of savings bank into which we pay money one day and are supposed to be able to pull out tangible rewards the next.

There are many valid reasons to be critical of the UN, but it is far from a simple issue. I'm not sure how much of a recommendation it is, but the current administration appears to believe that the UN still matters. Although the events of 911 likely prompted some of the increased financial committment it has made to the UN, the decision to rejoin UNESCO (which Reagan pulled us out of in 1984) came several months earlier.
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03-29-2004, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by jayeff
"Lies, damned lies. And statistics". It is also a fact that the the USA's foreign aid, although the largest of any country in dollar terms, as a percentage of GNP is the lowest of any industrialized nation (http://www.oecd.org/home/).

"Lies, damned lies. And statistics" to be sure. It is also a fact that the the USA's foreign aid, although the largest of any country in dollar terms, is only a portion of what the US pays in foriegn aide. the number two position is not held by another government, its held by the private donations made by the people of the US.

so any argument stating we don't pay as much or enough, is pointless.

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03-29-2004, 05:55 AM

Note that when you hear about a country 'giving' foreign aid they are almost never giving direct cash as the aid. the aid is in the form of goods or services provided by a company from the aiding country. this actually helps the economy of the giving country and is just another form of government spending to promote growth.

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03-29-2004, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by montel
Note that when you hear about a country 'giving' foreign aid they are almost never giving direct cash as the aid. the aid is in the form of goods or services provided by a company from the aiding country. this actually helps the economy of the giving country and is just another form of government spending to promote growth.

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03-29-2004, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by montel
Note that when you hear about a country 'giving' foreign aid they are almost never giving direct cash as the aid. the aid is in the form of goods or services provided by a company from the aiding country. this actually helps the economy of the giving country and is just another form of government spending to promote growth.

not true. most 3rd world help has nothing to do with their economy. Its more hand to mouth aid.

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03-29-2004, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by Steve
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UN sucks ass like no tomorrow
let's face it, nobody gives a fuck about the UN unless the Marines show up to make some "warlord" stop killing his own people.

The should level that fucking building, and kick everyone of the diplomats out

I think you are 100% right, and I'm thinking we should be a lot more selective 2 whom we give our fucking money 2. Fuck the ass wipes.

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03-29-2004, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks
This is nothing new but it is a shining example of why we are in the trouble we're in globally.
Imagine if we didn't spend that money on the third world (where almost all terrorism comes from) and instead spent that money on defending our borders.
2 things would happen.
Our enemies would be vastly weaker and more inclined to worry about their next meal instead of their next attack.
And our defenses would be billions of dollars stronger.

It's such a simple concept but no one has the backbone.

most of the dipshits on this board think we should just keep on giving, as they go 2 the bank to cash there Porn check written on a USA bank. 12clicks I've done told you time and again, do not post shit like this. You sir are going 2 piss some people off.

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03-29-2004, 06:58 AM

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Old news or not, if I was an American I would be getting pretty outraged by now over this.

The numbers are ridiculous, the situation outlined is so grossly unfair it's beyond incredible.

Hey mon, I take it with a grain of salt. I was in Germany when Franch kick Nato out (had there Hq. there) said they could stop the Russians didn't need any help. fucktards.

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03-29-2004, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by ajpiii
I want my money back ! Fuck the UN

you can't have it.

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03-29-2004, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by slackologist

Oil. Fact : America has been buying Iraqi oil for a long time and has needed to buy this oil to make up for a short fall in supplies elsewhere.

We do NOT buy any Iraqi oil..........Period........

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03-29-2004, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by crockett
ok this one almost got me untill I noticed the dates in question...

Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

that's almost 50 years there.. so it's not like we are giving them 23k per Israeli every year, it's still a shitload of money ..

That could still put a kid through college, instead of helping Israeli military kill more people...

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03-29-2004, 07:30 AM

Total Bull shit
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03-29-2004, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by bopha
Total Bull shit

In what way? Explain.

Your post could be interpreted a couple of ways.

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03-29-2004, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith
In what way? Explain.

Your post could be interpreted a couple of ways.

because he/she just thinks so. no facts just thinks

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03-29-2004, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by jimmyf
We do NOT buy any Iraqi oil..........Period........

Hmmm.... I know I've read posts here that indicate to the contrary, one or two that actually quoted volume or dollar figures.

I think it was back during the outbreak of Iraq II, the return of the jedi if I recall correctly.

And... I was the one at that time asking if the USA buys any oil from Iraq. None of the "It's all about oil" crowd had anything close to a believable answer.

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03-29-2004, 08:47 AM

[QUOTE]
Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time.
United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.
Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.
Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time
India votes against the United States 81% of the time.
Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.
QUOTE]

Interesting, just wondering have you got the figures when it's not about Israel.

That probably accounts for a large chunk of it, you will never get an Arab country voting the same way as Israel.

Apart from India, which is probably from when it was getting alot of aid from Russia.

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03-29-2004, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by KRL
The world is too complex to figure out anymore. I worry about me, myself, and I, my business partners, friends, family and those I care about each day are aok.

The UN and the way this country spends money has been fucked up for decades. Its out of control, mismanaged, and completely corrupted. Its too big and unwielding to change. Its too entrenched with bureaucrats who like the status quo of confusion and chaos so nobody can penetrate and see the reality of what goes on.

That's the lame cop-out attitude the bureaucrats want everyone to have so they can continue to steal and cheat the people. When did Americans become scared of and uninterested in their government?

"governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness"

Remember who said that? That famous guy, what's his name... Thomas Jefferson. Sometime around July 4th I believe.

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03-29-2004, 09:28 AM

I'll agree on this topic for once. Most gfy posts that are critical about US policy I'll usually argue with. But CD Smith is completely right all those contries listed really have no loyalty to the US no matter how much we bribe them. That money should back to the US and the UN are a bunch of pussies. The UN was formed to bring stability to the world but have no balls unless the US is involved and then critize us on how we do it. Lets stop supporting terrosts states with tax payer money.
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03-30-2004, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by jimmyf
We do NOT buy any Iraqi oil..........Period........

True, war expenses do not count as payment for oil, even if you do get the oil afterwards.

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03-30-2004, 05:06 AM

only America would fund countries that continually stand against us. Many of these countries also wage war amongst themselves causing them to need even more outside aid which we apparently readily supply. geez.

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03-30-2004, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks
This is nothing new but it is a shining example of why we are in the trouble we're in globally.
Imagine if we didn't spend that money on the third world (where almost all terrorism comes from) and instead spent that money on defending our borders.
2 things would happen.
Our enemies would be vastly weaker and more inclined to worry about their next meal instead of their next attack.
And our defenses would be billions of dollars stronger.

It's such a simple concept but no one has the backbone.

Even your own precious George!? *GASP* *FAINT*

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03-30-2004, 08:55 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by El Pres

Interesting, just wondering have you got the figures when it's not about Israel.

Since 1948, hasn't it basically all been about Israel?

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