Is Visa and Master card just getting
 

a little pushy here.

I mean telling Verotel to suspend sites if the model is 25 and he looks like he is 19, come one here. Someone needs to stop these companies before they get out of hand.

The last time I looked I pay a hefty %'s for intrest and use their cards at a lot of locations, and they have the nerve to tell me what I can and can not buy. If I want to go to a porn site that is my business none of theirs.

Censorship, Censorship, Censorship, Censorship are words that pop up everytime I here that there are changes in the way aquiring banks (what a joke, you mean bosses right!!!) want to control the flow of what their capital and their shareholders know what is going on.

When the shareholders find out that their bank is processing for porn, the (bible) conscience kicks in and says "that is not good, people don't want that, that is not the kind of rep we want for out company, tell them to stop right now!!!!"

Sorry I am venting here folks but I think if we all boycott Mastercard and Visa and say your not telling us what we can and can not do GO F*&K YOURSELF then maybe they will get the hint that the people who actually use the card are the ones making them the money.

Have a good one, one more thing, if you think the 3rd party processors are giving in to easy, raise your hand!!!!

good luck with that

People in mainstream are using credit card transactions more and more, and I expect the first time paypal shuts down say, a big webcomic's donation button because it shows a tit or 2 we'll see a lot of noise about censorship.

People in adult don't have the balls to actually stand up against censorship. Comics people are another story, maybe it comes from not having any money = nothing to lose :)

It will only get worse before it gets better.

I'm afraid so :(

Let's not forget it's Visa and Mastercards right to tell who has their cards what they can use it for and it's their right to say what we can sell with their cards. So long as they stay within the law.

But are Visa and Mastercard hard on us because it's porn or the way they see us run our businesses over all?

Are they going to withdraw merchant accounts from porn shops, stop liquor stores selling magazines but not booze via a card? Is there another reason they are hard on us?

Could it be all the illegal sites, stolen/pirated content (Perfect 10 are currently suing Visa because of AVS site using stolen content charging via Visa) or the sites that are plainly a rip off (too many different schemes here to mention).

So look at it from Visa's point, are they happy or sad with the profits they make from the adult Internet or are they just anti porn and going to stop all porn business with a CC?

We know the answer to that.

Visa could have dropped us years ago, however they chose to stay with us and force us to put our shop in order. Seems reasonable to me.

You think it will get better some day?

Very good points Charly. I'm also not a fan of censorship but has anyone considered this:

Man goes out to dinner with his wife/husband and pays with his credit card. Waiter writes down the credit card number then goes home and uses it on [adult site of the week].

Wife/husband gets the credit card bill and sees a charge for $19.95 from [biller of choice].

Wife/husband calls [biller of choice] and is told it is for a subscription to a website. Wife asks what website and is told [adult site of the week] - after all it is their credit card, they have a right to know what it was used for.

Wife/husband waits for Man to get home and grills him about visiting [adult site of the week].

After all the screaming and yelling is over and going through the browser history on the computer (no one clears their browser history until hard drive is full) Man is able to convince wife/husband that he didn't visit the website.

Man and wife/husband are livid and call credit card company to do chargeback, write nasty letter to credit card company about how easy it is for credit card to be used on [adult site of the week], calls newspaper to complain, writes to Oprah, Dr. Phil and discusses it in the church group.

Credit card company receives inquiries from all the above and concludes that [adult site of the week] and all those like it are the root of all evil and feels that this is damaging their brand name.

Voila! Censorship! When they should really be going after the waiter! But that would require a great deal of time and resources and cooperation from everyone between the biller (who has the user's IP address), to the ISP (who knows who logged in at that specific time and got that IP address), to the court (who would most likely have to give a court order for the ISP to release the waiter's personal information - and hope that it's valid), then who is responsible for pressing charges? The card holder or the credit card company.

All too much trouble, it's much easier to put the burden on the processor while trying to get [adult site of the week] and all others like it outlawed.

It's a cruel cruel world out there!