So how exactly does jesus dying on a cross make all ours sins forgiven?
 

how does that equation work out? hitler killing 6 million jews- FORGIVEN.

stalin killing 20 million russians- FORGIVEN.

paul pott killing 10 million cambodians- FORGIVEN.

just because one guy died on a cross?

what is the exact mechanism of universal forgiveness?

it's a good story, and it's also great for fueling a lot more KILLING as a result...


"you don't believe in my story, I will kill you"


that's about it...

You must sincerely ask God for forgiveness yourself. So yea, you can kill as many people and commit as many sins as you wish, but according to the Bible, if, at your death bed you sincerely ask for forgiveness and are truly sorry for those acts, you should be forgiven.

You'd think God could have cut a better deal.

DUDE, YOU'RE GETTING A DELL !!!

So Hitler is forgiven.
Fuck that.

i thought the whole crucifiction was to prevent god from punishing everyone by flooding or somethin.. and jesus died for their sins to prevent god from killing off all man at that point in time..

maybe i misunderstood the bible tho.. lol

im not religious tho, so... dont really matter to me

Without the possibility of a repent after sinning, how else could they control people? How else would "christian" society remain orderly if once you did something horrible you're fucked. Where is the incentive to turn around there?

That's why confessing sins gives you the chance to absolve them. Another way to try to keep order in this screwed up world.

popcorn?

Did the fucker repent ? If he didn't, then by scripture, no. If he did, and was sincere, then if you're a bible-thumping freak and you believe in scripture, then you should be seeing Hitler in heaven. Or some shit like that.

how does a few hours being crucified cancel out hundreds of millions of cold-blooded murders on this planet?

also, what about people who died before jesus was crucified? do they automatically go to hell since the rules say accepting jesus as your savior is the only way to get into heaven?

I'm a little lost on the rationale.
Why was it necessary for Jesus to die?

I understand the notion that "he died for our sins". My question is why was that (his death) the necessary action?

It doesn't forgive anything, it's the greatest lie ever told, just shows what happens when you question the powers that be.

The man himself may have had some interesting things to say about the then current abuses of the dual-establishment, anything after the cross is children's stories.

Fucking catholic school.

1. Jesus (the son of god, aka god himself in human form) needed to die as a human so that we as humans can somehow repent (crucify ourselves) and be saved... or something... ???

2. It's a FUCKING STORY. Just like any other "religion" has their own stories.

ummmmmmmmmmm............it doesn't.

i guess anything is possible if your delusions are strong enough.

It really is a simple equation and based on trust and faith - rather than mans ego that he is the end all of everything. Sad that some either are trying to be so cool that they dont want to admit that they do believe.

Why does it make all sins forgiven?

Once you have decided that Jesus is the son of god, then it will make sense. If you accept that God created man and that man walked away from God out of arrogance - then sinned by trying to become like God himself.

God has rules (*not churches) that no one gets into heaven who has sin. So man cant get into heaven because everyone sinned. So who can pay that debt?? Only someone without sin - that would be God - father / son / holy ghost. Jesus was God's son who God sent to pay that debt.

forget what religion has to say about it... that was created by man.

As mentioned - you can call this all bullshit - a lie - a fairytell - but that is your answer. Like it or not - but its based on trust and faith.

Its simbolisim:2 cents:

Mouhahaha, I think youre right !

The crucifixtion story is based on the older judaic/semitic tradition and mythology of the scapegoat, which is based on the much older tradition of animal sacrifice.

The scapegoat was a goat on which was ritually placed the sins of all the people in a city. The scapegoat was then driven into the desert or otherwise ritually killed, thus supposedly cleansing the people of the city from sin.

Like a lot of religious ritual, it's a way to shed guilt, or rather the feelings of guilt.

So, supposedly, Yeshuah performed the "final" scapegoat ritual, replacing the goat sacrifice with a human sacrifice, or rather a demigod sacrifice, powerful enough to cleanse everybody for all time.

Or so the mythology goes... Anyway, that's the mythological logic behind the crucifixtion story.

Thats why the dinosaurs died out, they couldn't find a cross big enough to stick a brontosaurus on so god said fuck it and killed them all.

Just to clarify, I may have come off sounding harsh.

I think the bible in it's entirety is a great story. I am athiest but I feel it has some great suggestions in there for leading a great life. I've tried to educate myself on a lot of theological issues and consider religion as a whole fascinating.

I rarely take much of what is written literally but a lot of people get strength from religion and I find that awesome. Just as long as they don't hurt others doing so :)

One of the great divides between Judaism and Christianity involves redemption/resurrection. Put simply, Jews believe in collective resurrection rather than individual salvation.

Some analysts argue Christians would be more accurately called Paulines (cheap jokes anyone?) because St Paul introduced many of the concepts that most strongly define Christianity in peoples' minds. Individual salvation is just one: you can only find references to it in Christ's own words using the most liberal interpretation of what he is supposed to have said.

Which is not entirely suprising, considering that Christ was a Jew preaching to fellow Jews. Some portray him as an adherent of the Zealots, a group primarily interested in opposing Roman occupation. But it is more usual to believe he was at least sympathetic towards the Essenes, a sect wanting nothing more revolutionary than a more spiritual approach to religion.

It is very hard to believe there would not have been a record somewhere if Christ had preached anything as outrageous as individual salvation would have seemed to Jews at the time.

took the words right outa my mouth :thumbsup :thumbsup