SWAPBUCKS Please Respond
 

I have emailed all these questions and more and not recieved
any response from your support team.

I have searched previous threads and my questions have not
been answered. Please answer these questions as I won't
appreciate being pushed aside, called an idiot and told to review
past posts like your other affiliates have been.

btw If you answered these clearly on your site and stats then
you wouldn't have to answer them here.


How much money is in the "pool" currently?

What is the monthly average pool at this stage?

In other words.... How much am I going to be paid?

Do sites wishing to distribute content pay a fee into this pool?

I see no mention on your site of sites having to pay to distribute
content. From what can be seen on my end it appears noone
pays, which means to me that there is no money in the pool and I
won't be paid much at all. Please explain this in detail and do not
referer me to any other sites or searches for the answers.

I have renamed some files into 2000-3000 different keyword
loaded files. These files are all still wmv but with new keyword
loaded descriptions. This is to increase distribution of your
partners content.

Is this against your terms and will I be suspended for increasing
distribution of files?

Again..... How much will I be paid?

-Ben

ya, i dont think they pay or have paid out anyone. anyone that ive talked to anyway.

All that work and you might not be paid....

Check out my sig. 0 work and lots of $

As near as I can tell, Swapbucks is as secretive as their primogenitor and will neither answer you directly, nor post anything specific on this board.

that sounds like them

thats what i have heard too

They'll answer my questions or loose mine and others traffic.

If they'd rather loose traffic then answer questions then I'd
guess it's safe to assume......

-Ben

well, they dont bother paying, so i dont think answering emails is high on their priority list

The way I see it atm is they have spent too much time on code
and business model to poison their market by scamming. The
system includes some gaps that raise questions. I'd guess that
they'd be working on closing these gaps so that the questions
are automatically answered. However they really need to do
some PR and support work to answer those questions now.

This said however. The lack of support, delelopment changes, site
changes, emails answered suggests..........

I can not see where the money is. If content providers don't pay,
and surfers don't pay. Then where does the money come from to
pay affiliates?

-Ben

who the hell are swapbucks?

I think the main problem is they never beta tested it and probably realized a few weeks ago that their total revenue was only 35 bucks.

try swapbucks.com

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!

Put the total size of the revenue pool in the stats and I'm sure
*all* these questions will just vanish. I don't care how ashamed
you are of your revenue I *have* to know what my share is. I will
*not* wait 3-4 months until the cheques arrive.


Please respond to my phone calls, emails, posts and Instant Messages.

Please respond to my phone calls, emails, posts and Instant Messages.

This is people trying to get answers and show you where
problems exist in your system. Push us aside all you like but we
are the people here to make you money.

Give us the real answers and we'll be happy.


-Ben

Swapbucks looked shady from the start

They changed my account password and dont reply to emails...

IT'S A SCAM :(

The seem small, under-developed and in-over-their-heads.

However being a coder I don't believe for a minute that it was
setup as a scam from the start. There are much easier ways to
scam people then spend so much time and effort on development.

I just want answers, support, information.

-Ben

Here just in-case this is still hard to understand what this is about.

For SwapBucks
Hint: These questions are where you will live or die. Given
the amount of trouble you seem to have keeping up with your
support I can see that without showing webmasters how much
they are making then you will very shortly be closed.

Please avoid this crash, adjust your system, answer the
questions, include the numbers and I'm sure you'll be a huge
sponsor by next year.

-Ben

it definately wasnt setup as a scam, i just dont think they made any money and they know if they say that, everyone will bolt

I just want to know what my revenue is *now* not in 3-4 months.

-Ben

Just wanted to interject something off topic:

Ben I still love my LinkUpPro, it simply rocks... any updates on the horizon?

I published a quick DB update the other day.

Also planning on removing a bit of junk and adding a few handy
features.... Just getting a few things out of the way but should
have a slightly improved version up in the next month or so.

-Ben

bump.

I know they are probably not online but I'm not giving up till I get
a response to my requests for support.

-Ben

even if they are online, they wont come near this thread

They can ignore it to their own detriment.

If they want webmasters to promote them then they'll come out
and answer questions. If they want to be assumed to be
worthless, ignored and avoided by webmasters then they should
stay silent.

-Ben

well, they are probably waitting till they crack 50 dollars in revenue

Just to clarify so that you SwapBucks people don't get frightened.

We the affiliates who make you money need information.

We need to know the total size of the pool or our part in it.

A percentage is not enough information. 100% of 0 is 0.

This information doesn't have to be posted publically.

This information must be disclosed to affiliates.

-Ben

I wrote to SwapBucks once and they responded. The thing looks like this:

1. On the one end must be paysite owners with some kind of partnership program, who provide short sampe videoclips for distribution.

1. On the other end are some people who wish to turn their home computers into peer-to-peer nodes and make money redistributing those videoclips.

And indeed SwapBucks I suppose takes some %% of it as a middle party.


As for the technical details - I'm not sure how they organize all this, they did not tell me, not that I asked much, honestly. But this is not much relevant, actually.


I did some research and found out that actually it's possible to spam p2p networks without any affiliates, just some servers and proper software required... So I do not see any good for me as paysite owner, and I do not see why there are such difficulties with affiliates required. Instead of writting the software that provides all the functionality they have (or claim to have) now, they could just develop less complicated software that would be using cheap dedicated servers for redistribution...

bump.

You can answer my messages and ring me anytime night or day.

-Ben

Swapbucks anyone?

-Ben

I take it your silence is designed to confirm peoples doubts.

-Ben

LOL gotta love swapbucks

Just waiting for any answer at all.

Phone, ICQ, AIM, Email.

Anything.

No response should answer my questions too.

btw Swapbucks, I know you've seen this thread.
It isn't going away. Bad publicity isn't good.

-Ben

looks like a scam, maybe they've already been arrested?

Session Start (AIM - MrYellow123:SwapBucksSupport): Wed Feb 11 11:57:55 2004
[11:57] *** NOTE: This user is offline. Your messages will most likely *not* be received!
[11:57] mryellow123: anyone in?
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Session Start (AIM - MrYellow123:SwapBucksSupport): Sun Feb 29 13:03:03 2004
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[13:03] mryellow123: answer me
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Session Start (AIM - MrYellow123:SwapBucksSupport): Sat Mar 06 10:54:45 2004
[10:54] mryellow123: hey
[10:54] mryellow123: where have you guys been?
[10:55] SwapBucksSupport: who r u
[10:55] *** Auto-response sent to SwapBucksSupport: I am currently away from the computer.
[10:55] mryellow123: one of your affiliates
[10:55] mryellow123: Saystat Resources
[10:55] mryellow123: How much money is currently in the pool?
[10:56] mryellow123: I've switched off all traffic pending your answer
[10:56] SwapBucksSupport: Airek will be contacting you soon
[10:57] SwapBucksSupport: email (Link: mailto:[email protected])[email protected]
[10:58] mryellow123: you should have emails and answering machine msgs from me
[10:59] SwapBucksSupport: we have been relocating
[10:59] mryellow123: man.....
[10:59] SwapBucksSupport: please email airek@swapbucks
[10:59] mryellow123: done
[10:59] SwapBucksSupport: ok
[10:59] mryellow123: you should have really told someone
[11:01] SwapBucksSupport: Just hold on and we will get with you very shortly
[11:01] mryellow123: np
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[11:01] SwapBucksSupport: thanks for understanding
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Still no answer

-Ben

Site is a DNS error now.

The server with all their domains is down.

-Ben

same guys who shared a suite with adultcheck ?

If you were in Vegas in January and actually spent 5minutes of your time you would have known then that they are complete idiots.

Wanted to be there but was busy.

-Ben

The servers are still down.....

Looks like they packed up with a "we'll contact you shortly".

So fuck-you-very-much AC.

-Ben

Now I have to do their announcements for them......

I was never told it was a so called "trial period". Exploring a "new
industry" does that mean they aren't adult webmasters?

phone call with SwapBucks
$400 in the pool.
"You should have stopped sending traffic when you didn't get a
response"

So I guess I shouldn't have given them the benefit of the doubt.
What they really wanted people to do is keep sending traffic until
the site was removed so then nothing will be counted and
webmasters can further assume that the site will be back after
an intermitiant outage. Lucky I wasn't quite that stupid.

They also said that AdultCheck offered them a room but they
refused. Still sounds like it's AC just using other peoples
bandwidth to test new shit to me.

A week or so ago MrBig and a few others stopped sending traffic.
I'm guessing these are Swapbucks employees and test accounts.
Then 3 or so days ago they take down the domain. Then finally
today the send an email.

Not good enough.

Taking the site down makes them the only people with access to
the stats and contact information. It also leaves those that just
happen to miss this email with a very bad taste.

If you whois the phone number given isn't correct but does give
you another number to try.

Swapbucks: +1 8189722168

They'll give you "I can't hear you" but get them to change
channels on the phone or get a proper handset.

-Ben

Ya, i got that email also, i think what they mean is that in 2 months, they made 35 bucks and dont wanna share it.

Oh well, they can keep my 3.5 cents.

They tried to say that they had no way to track it. Said that
because sponsors can shave they don't know what the real pool
is. pfft.

I told em to send a cheque for $12.

Fucked if they just get to keep what little was made.

Don't seem to understand that P2P is a bandwidth cost to start
but then you get it back over time as others share your files. Now
there is no chance of getting it back without their site up.

-Ben