What's Up With Free Porn Are we Santa
 

Hi all,

I know I'm new to all this traffic stuff... Photography is my main stay! But with my new site I have been playing with TGP pages and and a small free site to try to drive some traffic to my new site.

I have worked in Marketing for nearly 25 years, so I feel I can say who ever developed the marketing model for Adult Websites must have been a Cheep Bastard just looking to get free porn!

I don't know about you all, but I am in this business to make money... and the last time I checked, I don't own a Santa Suit. I think it is time for the entire adult internet industry to take a hard look at how they are marketing. I know there was a small push for tgp 2 a while ago, but that seemed to fizzle out.

I can not think of even one other product, of any kind, that gives away so much of their product that the consumer never needs to pay for it! Are we all Brain Dead! The makers of that little purple pill give away sample packs... But they don't say when those are gone just come back and we'll give you some more! Because we want you to have great sex and it makes us feel good when you get to have a great orgasm...

I put up two TGP pages, they got 5200 hits in 8 hours. Out of the 5200 hit I got 5 of the surfers to click to my site. I'll let you do the math on the numbers, but they suck to say the least.

Here are links to the pages???

http://www.nobulladult.com/tgp/rayne/index.htm

http://www.nobulladult.com/tgp/dakotah2/index.htm

It is my opinion, that we should all start building and replacing all our tpg Gallerys and tours and remove all the nudity... Just tell the surfer if they want to see all these cute girls naked... get out your credit card or check book...

I believe we would all be have big smiles on our faces, and much bigger bank rolls... We have all heard the saying "SEX SELLS"
So why on gods green earth to we give it away...

Let's Hear your thoughts... & Just maybe something will sink in!

Thanks,
Denny
http://www.pineapplepink.com

Surfers will just turn to another site that IS offering free porn. :2 cents:

Maybe if they started building sites that way when it all started...now with the millions of TGP/MGP's out there it would be impossible

Although it sounds good you have about as much chance of doing that as turning all the content people back into virgins. The horse is already out of the barn.

Not a fan of those models...

exactly right

too much out there to stop it. tgp traffic can be hard to make money off of, but it can be done, you just have to find what works. As far as the low click throughs, try some good creative descriptive text. People don't just click on banners much anymorw.

Yah, we'd all like to turn back time, but the only thing that would stop free porn is if the U.S. government made and enforced laws against it.

Some of you might say..."Well, this just means all the foreign sites would make money off of it."

Wrong. Paysites based in the U.S. wouldn't be able to process for sites giving away free uncensored porn. Credit card processors couldn't process for them. If it was illegal in the U.S., it would basically stop everyone from doing it and we'd all sell a shitload more porn.

:1orglaugh

Juicy Santa

The model is very similar to Television... free content with ads...

Long post. No read. Tired old subject like beat horse. Free porn. Get over it.

The answer isn't giving out less free porn. The answer is to stop fucking the porn consumers. I'd be afraid to take out my creditcard and buy anything online. Too many theives.

Why do you even make this post?
Do I see lips or do I see lips?
http://www.nobulladult.com/tgp/rayne...pplepink14.jpg

Dude I hate being Santa but its a fight you can't win unfortunately. Just gonna get easier n easier unless the gov does somethin about it.

I'm not sure on your logic in if it's illegal in the US, free porn would almost stop. Paysites and their credit card processors don't care where the traffic comes from. They just care what is on the paysite taking the credit cards.

If free porn became illegal in the US for some reason (it's happened in the past for a short time), free porn would just move to countries outside of the US (Canada for example) and still send their traffic to the paysites. The US Paysites and CC processors don't care that the traffic is coming from a country outside of the US where it's legal.

US is not the central place for Paysites either. Some of the biggest companies in internet porn come from The Netherlands. The Hun would still be giving out free porn, even if it was illegal in the US. I'm not sure what it is about The Netherlands and making a ton of money in internet porn.

nothing personal at all here but it does always amaze me how many people are all too happy to point out their lack of attention span when it comes to anything over a paragrah long.

That said, it is too late to turn back the tide.

not bad... :winkwink:

It's risky mixing porn and the law. If you haven't noticed, penetration and even spread pussy pics ARE CURRENTLY ILLEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES. Yes, we're all committing a jailable offense. They haven't been enforcing the laws, but we are all criminals already.

Hi again,

Yes, It is easy to say... Wish we can turn the clock back, the horse is already out of the barn, it's to late, but the reality of it is its not. We control what the consumers see. It would take a united effort on everyones part, but I know it could be done.

I think the government would take a different stand on our industry too.

It would have to start with paysite owners! It would take a meeting of the minds. Like at Internext... Get as many site owners as possible together. Sit down and have a meeting... Set a date that they want all the free porn to be gone! Issue new content for affiliates, rebuild Free hosted galleries. Send a notice to all their affiliates that the license to use any of their nude pictures will expire on such an such a date. Notify all their affiliates that the change is taking place... and let them know if they don't follow suit they will be dropped as an affiliate. And blacklisted with all the other sites.

I'm sure there would be a few webmasters that would try to cheat and buck the new system... They would have to be pushed to joining in by peer pressure. But then again, just maybe they would want to make more money too... and give in easy! The industry is not as large as we may think... I really feel this could be done...

Denny

i think i'll add 50 more galleries tonite

It's a big circle. The Paysite owners aren't going to tell everybody they aren't going to accept affiliates with free sites, cause then they would go out of business when the money stops coming in from all these affiliates. Most of not all affiliates have free or at least avs sites.

Affiliates aren't going to stop cause they would be out of business unless they started a paysite. Again, most affiliates operate free or avs sites.

You do away with affiliates (ala more than likely free porn sites), you do away with most peoples income. Unless I read what your saying wrong. I'm not going to tell my affiliates to not send me customers anymore cause they have a free site.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
wanna add one of mine? :winkwink:

post the url, i'll list it tonite

There would still be affiliates... they just would not be giving away the farm... It stead of spending hours putting up free porn! They would build Directory sites, Review sites, preview sites... and whatever else might be created or invented... with some thought...

Denny,

Shemp,

Post this gallery it has never been on the net... Would be interested to see if your traffic clicks through any better.

http://www.nobulladult.com/tgp/madison/index.htm

Thanks,
Denny

Ok, I have a couple of porn sites. Let's say I do what you say and get togather with about a dozen other paysite owners (even 25 or 50 paysite owners). We would be slitting our throats telling our affiliates that we won't deal with them if they have any free sites. They'll go to some other affiliate program that will let them use their free sites and just get pissed at us for changing the rules on them.

That would also drive almost all the affiliates out of business. There would not be many visitors coming to look at a directory or review site.

Like I said, it's one big circle. Comes down to money and staying in business.

The only way I can see this happening if you can get the top 100 major paysites to have a rule that all pics and movies must have a star over the nipple and vagina area. That way there are still free sites, but to see full nudity, you have to join a paysite. That would make money on both ends. It would be very hard to get something like that going. Especially with the TGPs and getting that many of the top paysites in agreement to do it.

hehe
you mustnt know who you're talking to ,
If you did , there would've been a " PLEASE " in there lol :)

Now there is an Idea... See if we took a hard, creative look it could be done. The object is not to put anyone out of business, it's to make more money for everyone... Yes, I agree it would take the big sites to get the ball rolling. Having a meeting at like internext would be the thing... And why would any webmaster not want to attend, it would be a meeting about making more money... What part of that would they not like?

Denny

Shemp,

No I really don't... I'm just a adult photographer that is trying to figure out this whole traffic thing. I'll check out your site.... Please and thank you ;-)

Denny

There are webmasters that would suck dick for a good listing on shemp :Graucho

Thanks Kelly :)

Studio: that offer of listing a gallery was made to "thehornydevil"
not to you.

Actually, paysites have to care where thier traffic comes from. They are just as responsible as the sites sending them traffic if it's coming from an illegal source. This is why you will see adult.com sites automatically reject traffic from sites that have illegal terms on them. Same with Lightspeed Cash and several other big programs.

Do you think if free uncensored porn was banned, they'd still accept that traffic? There's no fucking way.

As for credit card processors, they would change their rules so that paysite tours have to be censored and no free porn could be given away on a paysite tour. Since VISA is basically a U.S. company (even though they are worldwide) they would follow U.S. law and not process for any illegal sites.

I'm not saying a law like this is something I want or a good thing...just saying it's possible and it's the only thing that would stop free porn on the Internet. I actually give away a lot of free porn myself and make a good living at it, so I'm happy with the status quo.

Shemp,

I know it was... just thought you might want to help me out?

I guess I just don't understand all this yet... Sorry

Denny

Dude, as a person running an affiliate program & running a few freesites, I can tell you that this will in no way work. First off, the customer KNOWS they can get free porn. They have figured this out already, what do they do when your site that they go to doesn't offer full nude pics and has totally changed since the last time they were there? They search for a new site, and search for a new site!

The people that don't want to pay for it, and they will NEVER pay for it, will go and find it for free! How do I know, cuz I have relatives that are that cheap! They don't wanna pay for it, so they keep finding it for free! Then they get smart enough and go to newsgroups! Once you get somebody to the newsgroups, you're fucked, cuz you can find everything on there! Then it would only be a matter of time for somebody to create a page on how to use the newsgroups and how to get ALL the free porn you want, updated FUCKING every fucking minute.

But this is just my :2 cents:

jDoG

of course i'll help you out, but you have to email me,
shemp at shemp dot com

I don't know if you were around when free porn became illegal in the US. It wasn't actually that free porn was illegal, but all porn sites had to have a age verification system to keep minors out. The AVS companies were getting a ton of new webmasters back then. There were still free sites from Canada and Europe and else where.

I don't remember if The Hun went to AVS back then (since he's from The Netherlands). But if it's not illegal in Canada to have free porn sites, why would paysites stop getting traffic from them. They aren't breaking any laws. Also, what's to stop you or any other person with free sites to setup a company in another country where it's legal and send traffic from free sites. Just because it illegal in the US, doesn't mean paysites can't accept sites from other countries where it is legal.

The big programs already accept sites that are considered illegal in the US based on the US obsenity laws. They'll still take free sites if free sites became illegal, until someone sayed something to them about a certain free site. Paysites don't go around to all the affiilate sites to make sure they are legal. They usually only check them when they have to.

lol

Yeah right, we can't come back, but we can change some things outta here for sure!

Shemp,

I just sent you an e-mail...

Denny

Here is another thought... From a photographers view... It would be easier to get the cute girls out of thier clothes, if they new they would not be seen all over the internet naked... Which would help improve the content quality.

Denny

I wouldn't want to knowingly have content from a model that was that freaked out about being seen in the internet. Sounds like a headache just waiting to happen. I always tell people that once your pic is on the 'net in any capacity it is out there for good and they better be sure they are okay with that before the agree to do them. Even if there was no 'organized' free porn there would still be people trading pics they found inside paysites and hence she would still be seen all over the internet. Heck, there are pics I still see floating around today that I saw as a teen on an old BBS.

Hi Sarah,

When I shoot new girls I always make it clear to them that posing nude is more perminent than a tatoo... But I know there are photographers that are shooting girls in the ck republic and telling the girls that the photos will only be seen overseas, meaning in the US...

Denny

I don't have a single free picture on any of my 3000+ domains... so it can certainly be done. Personally I'm glad to have opted out of the free porn arms race.

ur ideas can be seen with opec.

u know opec... they control oil production

they say how much is produce to maintain prices.

but have u heard of venezula and russia?

they dont follow the quotas and they produce more oil sometimes

end results, cheaper prices for consumer... bad for opec.

my point is that u cannot control everyone. this is not communism. free market will not allow u to make rules unless it is favorable for everyone and that the opportunity cost is insignificant to the gains.

blah blah blah

I just can't get over the fact that you don't have a Santa suit.
There should be laws against not owning a santa suit.

It's a pity there are not more people like you in this business shemp
YOU ARE THE MAN :thumbsup