Has the UK put others in danger?
 

Has the UK put others in danger?

I am not sure if those who are not from the UK have heard the news, but I will give you a quick update:

It would seem that many UK solders did not get full equipment when they went to Iraq. A lot of USA solders ended up helping out British solders with equipment.

This is unfortunately the way many UK government bodies work, i.e. firemen, NHS, police and so on are all under funded and in a mess.

But the reason why I say has the UK put others in danger, my reason is this:

Whatever you say about America, USA solders always seem well looked after by the government (well at least it seems this way). But I wonder if the news about the British solders having a lack of equipment has created propaganda to those who fight us (by us I mean UK, USA and all other troops that fight together). By this, I mean, if the 'enemy's feels UK solders are badly equipped, then, they are more likely to fight. in other word, solders are more likely to be shot at.

This is why I feel that not equipping UK solders, not only mean UK solders have a lack of equipment but also put others at risk.

allanuk:

It is not just a matter of UK troops - it's the same with eg US troops in Iraq at the moment. Some of the guys being sent there are not equipped or trained for a "war zone" - a fair number are part-time soldiers.

This is a hard time for troops in Iraq - there are, whether they like it or not, acting as mediators and peacemakers while being blown up.

Can you expect a 24 year old guy to be able to pacify very irrate Iraqi people when he was never ever trained for this?

I understand the US is sending some marines there who, they claim, have some experience.

The other issue is, of course, why are they there? I reckon you can ask Blair that if he is still in a condition to talk when Hutton delivers his "verdict" :-) As for Bush.. you can rely on these words "Iraq has WMD and they are a threat to the US and all our allies" - kinda pointless, but that will be his legacy.

A post that goes to prove the US aren't the only people that have sheep who believe everything they read in the papers. :)

Tipsy:

Instead of BS.. Is there *anything* you have to say that is any different?? Are you disputing anything or just fitting into the GFY syndrome? :Graucho

What do you mean by this?

The reason why say the USA troops seem to be looked after, is that on the news, they were having fast food, massages and all sorts of stuff, while the brits were living off cold baked beans.

This is my point, if USA solders look to be well looked after, then this itself helps knock the confidence of the 'enamy'. But when they see the brits on the news being badly treat, then they must think that to fight UK solders is not a problem as they will have no protective gear.

This is my point.

I think you're reffering to the bloke who died because he wasn't given body-armor...

In my opinion bush and blair should both fuck off.. Blair has fucked up this country, and Bush has fucked up the dollar... enough is enough time for change... Arnie could do better :(

allanuk:


You don't actually expect an answer other than some smartass oneliner do you?? :)

It is not an unreasonable question in any way, but for some... well... na forget it!! :Graucho

Tip!! All folks are not equally blessed :-) Keep watching and you will lose a load of faith in human nature...

they don't live on cold baked beans, they may not have a McDonalds but they get hot wholsesome food, that's never been questioned by anyone (except you). you talk as though iraqi soldiers would be more scared of US soldiers because they have massages and big macs, WTF! there soldiers for fucks sake.

it was body armour that your refering to, most soldiers had it but due to a logistical error a few didn't get it in time, which resulted in the death of 1 soldier, which is very bad but don't blow it out of all proportion.

haha, yeah we should have sent the much more experienced Dutch:1orglaugh

allanuk:

You see what I mean?? :Graucho The logic is someplace else :-)

I know for a fact that fronline "Special Services" trops from the UK were in Afghanistan and Iraq without proper supplies. My cousin fought in both wars behind enemy lines and is pissed that he was sent to war without his full kit.

This happens all the time to soldiers of all countries. The UK press just decided to blow it up into a major story cos the widow (no disrespect intended) happened to be a good looker. You gotta remember that half the guys responsible for supplying this equipment and getting it out there are basically stupid morons. Law of averages makes that so. The more civilised/developed the country, the more bureaucracy, the more pen pushers, the more morons in the chain to fuck it up.

Can you just imagine for a moment the logistical problems of going to war and getting every bit of equipment in the right place at the right time in 130 degrees sandstorm desert warfare conditions....

All this came about because 1 soldier died after being told to hand body armour to coligues on the front line, the soldier was fired upon and died.

The media LOVE stories like this, they can make a whole story out of nothing. It shouldn't have happened, but when you go to war, people get injured.

Did I dispute there were problems? All I said was the guy obviously believes everything he reads in the paper. The newspapers left out quite a few of the details in most articles and it seems everyone forgot that we are essentially at war even if we claim we've now 'won'. Sure the governmeants to blame but that's because it got involved in this bullshit in the first place. Unfortunately the biggest sheep of all currently runs the country.

There have always been and still are supply problems in any war and they need to be addressed. However the newspapers have twisted all the facts hugely on this particular case and many of the public are daft enough to believe the BS.

Webby - why the fuck would I want to reply any more than I had in the first post? I made my point. Being dumb and easily led is something I'm very happy to let people get on with. Arguing with idiots (obviously including yourself) is a futile occupation at best. With that I'll leave you all to it.

:thumbsup and please also remember he DID have body armour that until now was considered more than suitable. What he never had was the 'new' body armour that offers more protection.

I don't know the exact details, only what I have read. I'm sure if a huge amount of our soldiers had the same equipment problems it would have been front page news for weeks.

We went to war as a highly trained army, killed hundreds of Iraqi fighters and our casualty rate was very low.

End of.

I did a tour of duty in Bosnia in 1994 with a well known scottish regiment, yep we had the same fucking problems! faulty equipment, outdated equipment and lack of fucking equipment! I spent the best part of a year getting my ass shot at! I'll say one thing about the british army though they do train you well but equipment wise they fucking hang you out to dry on the stuff!! At the end of each day I had to fucking count each round of ammunition I had, each morphine syringe I had!! APC's weren't fully amoured because of shortages, the SA 80 standard amry issue assualt weapon - load of fucking shit!! too many jams when firing!!

The moral of the story is british soldiers are professional and will do what's needed but the government here couldn't give a fuck about them!! just a number!!

Why should people fight and die for their country if they can't even equip them with the necessarry tools to do their job!!

The uk is a fucked up country!! too many lies and fucking bullshit!!

Hmmm I disagree for the size of the UK we do ok. We have the 4th largest economy in the world. Our fredom, democracy and elections are equal to the US. Living standards are good, crime is low, virtually nobody goes without a place to live or support. Quit moaning!

The british armies body amror only stops rounds of a 9mm pistol!! Any soldiers who take a direct hit from an ak 47 are still fucked!!

I'm sure that's not true, where did you see that?