Why are you a believer in conservative politics?
 

Why are you a believer in conservative politics?

because basic conservatism wants small government and small taxes and self responsibility.

today's liberal is tommorow's conservative :winkwink:

then why do you vote for Republicans? They expand the size of the government and enact laws restricting your freedom and thus your self-responsiblity.

Ignorant people can't see that this administration isn't really conservative. Most Bush voters don't care about or understand many if any issues, they just think they're supporting the right "team" and put the blinders on.

Same could be said of the Democrats. In fact, many of the regulations the US currently has on the books were formulated by Democrats during the NEW DEAL.


Not that regulation is a bad thing. It just gets bad if there is TOO MUCH of it. :2 cents:

because the liberal claptrap of restricting our freedom is not true and Republicans are the lesser of two evils in regaurd to spending.

oh, and I'll never get a tax cut from the class warfare baiting democrats.

hehe, ignorant canadians who think they have a clue make me laugh.

That's a cop out.

Normally, you are much better at this than your last comment indicates 12clicks.

While the Republican Party is MUCH better than the Democratic alternative, the point is valid.

The Republican party is no longer the Grand Old Party. The Libertarians these days at closer to the GOP that the current crop of Republicans. You know it and I know it.

Only problem is a Libertarian stands no chance of being elected and less of a chance to shape any new law.

[leader] doesn't merit better than that.

Yes, the republican party has changed but the dems have gone off the deep end.
exactly what you're taking issue with in my position, god only knows.

Good point. Oh wait, it's not, as usual. Show one thing I've said that isn't correct. It's you that has no clue what you're talking about. If a tax cut is enough for you to sellout the future of your country (and present for that matter), then 12clicks my friend, it's time to ask that boss of yours for a raise.



When? Show me one intelligent comment made by 12clicks. The guy's a moron, just because he has more money than some of you and he likes to brag about it, people treat him like he knows something. He doesn't.

ok dope please post a link to your *facts*
"Most Bush voters don't care about or understand many if any issues, they just think they're supporting the right "team" and put the blinders on."

come on, lets see how you're correct, dope.


ahhh, yes. selling out the future of my country. Are you too young or too stupid to remember Reagan. :1orglaugh
you're daddy probably said the same thing about him. touble was, you're daddy and his ilk melted into the weeds once Reagan dug us out of Carter's resession.



ahahahaha, yes. I brag about my money.
look you bitter little boy, I've forgotten more about this business than you'll ever learn. Here in America, being successful is something to be applauded. I guess its different where you're from :1orglaugh


now please, don't run away, back up your *correct* statement of
"""Most Bush voters don't care about or understand many if any issues, they just think they're supporting the right "team" and put the blinders on."""

or blow away light weight

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Sell out the future of our country? Now you make me laugh.

You sound like a democratic hopeful spewing hate in a campaign ad. Passing debt on to future generations is a new Republican thing?

Silly me... I thought it started with New Deal.

And thus we will vote Republican, until they`re popular enough to stress the libertarians.

The only reason that noone here understands the "Republican story" is because they either, think about politics way to little to build their own conclusion on issues, or are just hard headed and will never give in even when something is truly correct.

I think Democrats are generally hardcore supporters, and their party is really brainwashing them more now than they did 50 years ago, people just haven`t moved on.

When I met my GirlFriend I said something about Bush shortly after I met her, and she simply said she hated him. But she could *not* name the vice president, and said that her family is hardcore democrats and "just vote democrat because they help the poor people". SO she voted Gore in 2000, and didn`t even know why. SO sad, but she now understands the logic behind conservatism, and now makes better decisions *without* my input.

Noone truly wants big government, less freedom, or higher taxes, but every democrat vote creates just this. Republicans are bad at it these days too, but they are *the better choice* when it comes to control of the Government.

For example:
Schwarzenegger has vowed to leave more decisions up to the public, in California. The democrats do *not* agree with this and general comments have been things like "how do we know that the public will make the best choice?" Ihave even received this comment from a *friend* that is an ignorant democrat. " The public will just vote, without knowing whats best".

But I say leave it to the public to decide these on the edge decisions abobut raising taxes, lowering taxes, spending money on stupid social programs that should be run by volunteer agencies, etc.

Thats where democrats fall short.

The only conservatives in politics today are in the Constitutionalist Party and Libertarian Party (although most conservatives aren't as anarchistic as Libertarians) -- the Republicans are just Borrow and Spend Democrats instead of Tax and Spend Democrats.

Bush is NOT a conservative, compassionate or otherwise. He has grown the size and scope of government even more than Clinton. Can you believe that shit??? And Clinton is the worst President since Johnson.

Vote Libertarian.

Your assumptions about me are quite funny. I'm not successful? lol. Brag about yourself a little more and it might help your confidence.



Ok, let's see. Do you support the Project for a New American Century? Does anyone here who votes Republican? Do you guys even understand what there plan is, and that they're controlling your foreign policy? Expect another "Pearl Harbor like attack on American soil" before the next election, hope you support that too.

http://www.newamericancentury.org

I'm not going to sit around and debate with a man who has no education or intellect because he thinks he's a big shot on a message board. If you understand the Neo Con plan and support it, you should be shot.

I don't like your Democratic party much either, I think American politics is pretty much a joke. Don't get me wrong, Canada is getting that way too. Yes he's selling out your country, not just with the insane spending, but also with all the environmental shit he's doing. I'm not doing to dig up links and walk you through why this cowboy is going to fuck up our continent, if you can't figure it out for yourself that's scary. :helpme


I'm not a bleeding heart, hippie or tree hugger, in fact I didn't give a shit about the environment before Bush started doing his best to distroy it.

lasse faire!!

Classic bait and switch...

"My deficit spending argument didn't work, so I'll bring up the environment (but don't ask me to back up that position -- I can't be bothered). "




Walk On. :1orglaugh

There's so many things wrong with this guy it's hard to keep up, each way is fucking up is worse than the last. Didn't work? lol, what a joke. Bush is running your country into a bigger dept than you'll ever be able to pull out of. Yeah another trillion to go to Mars, right on! Do you guys understand how much TAXES, yes TAXES, it takes to pay interest on the dept he's making? No, you don't, because you're blind and stupid. Next.

So you DO need me to explain to you what Bush has done for the environment? Would you say he has done positive things in that field?

Sigh, remember the days when people wouldn't talk about politics unless they actually knew a thing or two about what's going on in the world? Then along came Rush Limbaugh and every jackass who likes to hear himself talk thinks he's a fucking pundit.

Ok, let's leave everyone to themselves, so called self responsibility. What about the mass population in this country who cannot afford to pay $10k per year for their kids education BEFORE they even reach the college level?

That mass population will go to public schools which the Bush administration would like to cut funding for even though they are in horrible shape. Then you'll get an even higher percentage of people in this country who are poor and undereducated leading into increased crime.

How's your self responsibility?

There is no arguing about where Bush stands as far as education and environment issues goes. He does not care.

Unless you're a pentagon defense contractor or a huge environmental polluter, Bush's policies are not going to help at all. Yes even you, almighty billionaire 12dicks, are going to get fucked by Bush in the long run. There's no point in arguing, it's impossible to undue a lifetime of brainwashing with a conversation. Talk to me after Bush's next term and we'll see how your country's doing. So far, so good.

Rich

You attack well. Unfortunately, there is no substance to your attacks.

If you wish to debate issues (with me or anyone else) you should make and back up your position.


You seem to however waste your time insulting and attacking the people that question your position rather that backing up your point of view with facts and/or studies.



Love you.

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I've had this conversation a million times with a million idiots, I don't exactly see you dismantling my arguments. You have no points at all, why are we still talking? What, you want a bunch of links to news articles that explain to you what I'm saying? Fuck that, it's not my job to educate you, you have to do that yourself. I can back up everything I say 100%. If you can't see any problems for yourself then great, I just hope deep down you don't actually think you're right.

12clicks asked me to back up a point and I did. Has anyone come out and supported the New American Century yet? Come on Ronnie, let's hear your spin on imperialism.

ahahahaha, is this your answer halfwit?

typical. don't back up your bullshit, just spew more.:1orglaugh

really? not sure what reality you're living in but in the real world you did not back up this assinine statement at all:


you can't. please, keep calling me uneducated, keep posting silly links not relevant to this conversation, you'll surely confuse me and get me to believe the same non-sense you believe.:1orglaugh

If it's such bullshit, why don't you answer? I don't have to prove my points by giving you some bullshit polls or news articles, I'll prove it in action on GFY.

HOW MANY VOCAL REPUBLICANS ON THIS BOARD SUPPORT OR HAVE EVEN READ THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY AGENDA?

Well? You guys are the big mouths, let's see you defend that. Come on 12clicks, no burger king jokes or comments about how great you are. How about a real answer for once? No? More bullshit answers my kids could come up with? What a fucking surprise.

throughout history the parties have flipped floped back and forth...clinton enacted laws that were so "republican" it even surprised them but since he was a "democrat" president they were said to be great liberal reforms...the parties are so close to barely be able to tell them apart...

I don't care what you believe, I have no desire to change your opinion at all. I know brainwashed when I see it, I can't compete with Fox. Let me guess, your parents were very religious and extremely right wing, right? Without people like you, intelligent people would have no one to laugh at.

Explain how you can possible say the link I posted is irrelevant to a conversation about why you support conservative politics...

(Keep in mind Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield are among the 16 founders of the New American Century, and Bush is following their foreign policy to a tee so far).

Rich..

who is your Presidential candidate and why???

Except for Bush who wants bigger more powerful government, more spending and debt, which means a lot more taxes for your kids, and who won't take responsibility for his spending, so he just borrows more and more money which future generations will have to pay off.

If you still think that it's right wingers that want smaller or less government, then you missed the last two presidencies.

I like the way people give P. Bush so much credit.. he did well by surrounding himself with very intelligent people...

also.. remember we have a system where one person is not in complete power.. anything done is approved by the two other parts.. congress and the supreme court both of which have the power to strike down the bill... so be sure to thank your local congressman for any changes to date as well as P. Bush :2 cents:

Who's P. Bush? Also where do you get your idea of how this administration operates?

Conservative politics can be a very good thing... There is a reason why America is richer, has a vastly lower deficit, and much better employment than any European country - we have lower taxes and less government.

More taxes = more poverty, plain and simple.

However, I would not at all call Bush a conservative. The largest deficit in history for one thing. Saving the world from Saadam another... a very noble goal and saved millions of Iragis long term, but usually American liberals preach saving the world, conservatives are usually accused of coddling brutal dictators as long as we can get along.

On the other hand a nation as rich as the U.S. could figure out a way to provide health care, so I fall somewhere in between the liberals and conservatives on what I thing should be done, a Jesse Ventura supporter here - fiscally conservative, socially liberal, like most americans.

I'm backing The Reverand because he's a mad mother fucking pimp who's going to stick it to the man.

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Despite my support he received less than 1% of the Iowa vote. Better luck in New Hampsire!

answer my first question and I will answer yours..

who is your Presidential candidate nominee and why??

nevermind..


exactly.. thats why no one gives two shits about what you have to say... deal with it

Imagine if all the socially liberal, fiscally conservative Americans had their own party. It would make American politics more interesting.

It is possible that Arnold will become a leader to this group. He single handedly destroyed the socially conservative right wing movement in California when he ran.

Please present some evidence to support this statement.

Actually he's right about that, see evidence here, here, and here. Who needs facts when you've got propaganda?

The issue I take with traditional Republican thinking is the notion that less Government is better. It doesn't always seem that way. We've seen with toll roads and privatitized water, that when it's left up to companies to regulate themselves, they often opt for profit rather than safety or fair prices. The market cannot be completely left to run itself or it will run amuck. Imagine if there had been regulations for large companies to keep the majority of their businesses located in the US rather than overseas where labor is cheap. We could possibly have had a better economy right now. Instead, all those large companies are moving production elsewhere because they only care about steep profit margins, not America and not the American citizen.

Another mistake I think is the belief that the public will know what's best. Sadly, many people are not informed enough to make the best choices. If I was ever put on trial I would prefer a judge ruling rather than a jury ruling because the jury is made up of average citizens who are often not critical enough or can be manipulated by faulty or weak evidence (ex. eye witness testimony). I think the same is true for the general public when it comes to politics. The public is often swayed by emotion or whim rather than concrete or logical thinking.

I fall somewhere in between the "Republican" and "Liberals" camps. Liberals are far too loose with spending with a belief that the tab will magically be paid sometime down the road.

When did I ever say I care what morons think about what I have to say? If you can't figure out what's right and what's not on your own, that's your problem. I reserve the right to laugh at you.

I don't seriously support Al Sharpton, although I'd rather see him in office than Bush. Hilary Clinton would probably be my pick for President. I'm not a huge fan of any of the democrat candidates, I think that party is almost as big a joke as your right wing party, although not nearly as dangerous. I do however want to see Bush gone, and I'd like to see a Clark/Kerry or Clark/Edwards ticket, the only reason being that I believe they would be the best chance of removing Bush. Although, I have no serious illusions that Bush will leave the White House no matter what happens. If he's going to loose, either he'll fuck with the Diebold voting machines, he'll catch Bin Laden (look a like) right before the election, or worst case scenario there will be a major attack on America and he'll put the country under his military control, and you guys can say goodbye to the "great experiment we call democracy".

You've officially moved to less than half-wit status.


What has Hilary ever done (including her miserable failure at national health care) that would make her a viable candidate for POTUS?


She took the dick of someone you like?

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I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, which is of course the exact opposite of Dubya who is a fiscal liberal and a social conservative.

Actually Dubya is a sexual socialist - he believes government should have complete control over what goes on in the privacy of people's homes when it comes to sex - ie dildo laws, sodomy laws, oral sex laws, laws to control morning after pills, laws to control teen birth control prescriptions, massive government programs to discourage sex outside of marriage, and so on. Definitely a fucking socialist... when it comes to sex.

Someday Hillary will be your president and if you ever say a negative word about her when she is, you will be helping the terrorists.

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Yes Hilary and socialized medicine...

Oh goodie.. I want a doctor who is paid like a teacher.. to operate on me...

Capitalism in medicine works... people don't go to school for 10 years to be told that they will get paid what the govt. decides is a fair compensation.. so that everyone can afford to have equal medical care.. everyone can afford medical insurance.. they just need to put their priorities in the right place.. cut out the marlboros, budweiser, and monster rally tickets.. and use that money for medical insurance.. but now that would be oppressive...

i'm glad you responded to that question...

I do agree with this.. I was very disturbed by that part of his speech last night.... but again.. hes acting out those church people who supports his campaign.. you know he likes to dress up in leather and get ass raped now and then:winkwink:

Show me a country with socialised medicine (and there are many)where doctors are paid like teachers.

hahaha, still spewing shit to cover up your jackass statements?
typical.

dear clueless former welfare recipient, the majority of Americans understand the issues just fine. It's you, the dopey foriegner who doesn't get it.

Stay bitter that we still don't care what you think of our decisions.
We're far from finished deciding how we want the world to work.


Sucks being from an impotent country don't it?

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