every sponsor shaving
 

Is it stupid to think that pretty much every sponsor shaves?

Yes, you can't tar everyone with the same brush man.
It's the small minded sponsors that shave, we don't do it and never would, why shave from a sponsor, it's better to actually give him a few more $$$ rather than take take take.
The way i see it if we did shave, where is that going to end up??
Pissed of webmasters that don't wanna work with you, i would preffer to give extra and happy webmasters making good $$$ will try and push a good honest program harder.

I decided a long time ago not to even bother whether sponsors shave or not. I just look at my checks...if they justify the effort, money and time I put into promoting that particular sponsor, I'm happy.

The majority of men shave, but many have beards.

:Graucho

*grin*

its EXACTLY that attitude that makes it happen :2 cents:

I never said EVERY sponsor shaves "
Is it stupid to think that pretty much every sponsor shaves?"

Well it just seems to me that alot of sponsors lately are getting caught with doing this. So quite a few of them think its kool.

You may not shave and thats great :) But it seems liek you can't trust any sponsor anymore
:2 cents:

Sweetie .. Check the title of your thread .

I stated it like that to get ppl's attention :winkwink:

Yeah but you could be making a shit load more if they weren't taking half of it. But they walk away with your cash in their hands.

LOL, hardly
Look at the outcry on GFY every time someone's suspected of shaving, but it still happens.
Without actually breaking in to sponsor's accounts and checking out there affiliate software, there's no way I'm ever going to know for certain. Sure, I get pissed off if I know I'm getting ripped off, but if I can't do anything about it, I might as well avoid the stomach ulcers and not worry about it.
If you know how to sell, the sponsor shaving the most is gonna bring in the least ROI, so I just eliminate him from my list.

Do you realise you are telling sponsors reading your post .

I dont care if you shave Theres no way to prove it .
just make me money

Thats what makes them shave . they have been protected . covered for , and shaving goes ignored .

Exactly the reason its an epidemic .

I know, you're right.
I'm just tired of fighting.

Simply need to use a sponsor with 3rd party stats.

:winkwink:
Does double your income inspire you to do something ?

I barely promote anything , little time on my hands .

but if people start comming out , and exposing theives for what they are , this industry will shape up fast .

all these fuckers shave , cause they know that the average webmaster thinks they can't do anything .

They are comfortable doing what they are doing and its gone on to long .

I hear people tell me . " I have proof " but I cant expose them .. bull . get the fucking cheaters outta here , and everyone will make more cash at the end of the day .

The big are getting bigger , shaving more , and at the end of it all , they all sit in vegas , spending your cash .

Maybe if you had the income you were supposed to earn , you'd be driving a better car , living in double sized house .

Think about it that way .

Take your income last year . add %30 think about it .

Does shaving matter now ?

Hi .. you havent been here this week much have you ?
third party means SWEET FUCK ALL ;)

OK, you've convinced me, who must I shoot?
*grin*

ok.. everyone who says

"every sponsor shaves, your stupid if you think otherwise"

you say it needs to be stopped, you cry cry cry.. but uhh

if you were a sponsor would you shave?

"oh hell no, im no crook!!"

riiiight... didnt know i was talking to jesus christ

why the fuck do you think everyone would shave but you, and why the fuck would you think every sponsor out there shaves?

its stupid.

I aint a sponsor .
and I dont think I wanna be in this situation ever .

And yes , I see the fact that sponsors are human
However . once again , lets not give them an excuse ..

" I shaved , cause .. .. uh .. well wouldn't you "

I do have people work for me and they get paid .
I could probally short them a few dollars here and there .
but NO , I wouldnt .

I know what its like to not have enough money .
been there done that . and I dont think I would sleep well at night knowing my money wasnt 100% legit.

If you dont turst a sponsor with your traffic make your own pay sites :2 cents:

The root causes of shaving, in my opinion, are either a poor business plan or a poor product.

Paying $35 when you are taking in less than $3 (minus processing fees, etc) means that you either need a really good product or business plan. That includes things like consoles, upsells, etc. You need to cover that initial investment as quickly as possible.

People with bullshit members areas, or who don't spend the time refining their consoles/cross sales/upsells/etc have every reason to shave.

Sadly, affiliate fraud is also a big factor. Carders still exist in droves, I know at least a couple programs who had to kill some of their 'bigger' affiliates to bring CB ratios down, and figured out afterwards they were carders, and had been carding for ages.

So there are many factors, but really it's just a numbers game. Sell a good product, and/or have a solid business plan, and you can do fine without a shave. The industry is partially responsible, constantly jacking payouts up to stay competitive, but it's mostly on the shoulders of the people who run the program(s).

- Titus