SEO is fucking DEAD!
 

Google is shaking things up almost DAILY now.

Fuck anyone who says thaey can guarentee ANY position for a specific keyword for longer than a week or two.

I'm either completely right.... or totally full of shit. :glugglug

SEO is not dead. It's evolving. And it's about time, the SE spammers were killing Google. I'm not happy with the changes either as its affected my business, but that's when contingency plans kick in.

WG

This new bullshit is not about eliminating spammers. Theres more spam in #1 spots for almost every adult related term I use. ITs about fucking money. And I predecit google droppping like a fucking stone within 2 years of the stock going public.

It almost looks like they kicked the "continual dance" into high gear. Theres nothing stable about google anymore. Its good and bad... but it did not eliminate spammers. Its eliminating overpriced SEO scammers becasue now its almost impossible to gurantee a stable position.

For the people who think they have a clue about SEO, yes things will continue to fall apart. I have never liked the acronym nor have I found anyone who deems themself an SEO to have any clue of the big picture, nor long term capabilties.

In my entire career I have only met 2 or 3 people who had vast knowledge of how to get things done. Only one of those people are still active. The rest retired.

My uniques off of google have remained consistent:

Hits Click-thrus Signups
396,091 60,490 141

This is for the current pay period, only on google traffic, not bad for someone who is not a hyped up SEO guru.

No shit... thats my point. SEO is a fucking SCAM (most of the time) and the new way google is running thier updates is weeding that type of scamer out, but I still think going public is going ot have major repercussions for everyone. Things far greater than some of us saw with this recent shake up.

Things are definitely changing and their IPO does look like a motive for these changes. Eventually once they stabilize I'm hoping it will be business as usual, but we've survived all the changes in the SE markets. I see this as just another evolutionary step. We'll see how this plays out in the upcoming weeks.

WG

The IPO is only the beginning; What do you think is going to happen once they start trying please shareholders? They are just gonna "stablize"? No, they are going to try and make more and more money. The only stable thing left will be adwords. :2 cents:

no, you just suck

:glugglug

Yep thats it. Me sucking is causing the giant fluctuations in rank for me and everyone I know. Why didnt I realize how much I sucked before! I could have saved everyone some time. :thumbsup


jackass.

seo is def. not dead
i made tons of test all around florida and a brandnew site i tried to optimize a month ago went from 0 in the top5 of a 500k keyword
i agree to what wired said that... everything is changing and i am not really sure if the results that came up are what google really wanted to have or if not the filter went a little bit tooooo far.
we will see that in the future...

what i know is that there will be always room for serious optimization as there will always be penalties, spammers and doubtful ranking methods

:glugglug

IMO you are wrong. If you do the job yourself it can be very profitable. Most of my traffic comes from Google and associates and it is very good. I don´t submit to TGP for example because traffic sucks.

Of course if you trust SEO companies, you will probably get scamed. Or if you spam you will probably get caught. On the other hand, if you play fair, you'll have long term quality traffic :thumbsup

tgp > seo :winkwink:

Should have clarified what I mean... Optimzing your site for google traffic is not dead, but poeple SELLING THEMSELFS as SEO and people who could guarentee you a certain position are dead/dying.

Things like Quality backlinks will still matter, but retaining good positions seems to be a whole new ballgame.

Google dancing its way to IPO

not really
i still manage to get people very good results on sites that have not been effected by florida
and the clients are still very happy

remember...
there are always several ways to go

Eternal Dance = Dance of Death?
Hummm...


Hhahahaha!
Sounds about right to me.

I both agree and disagree...

There are tons of people out there who claim to do search engine optimization. I'd wager about 20% of them have a clue what they're talking about, and about 2% are actually good at it. Those 2% charge maxiumum dollar and are probably worth it. SEO is NOT a part time job. It takes constant work and research and even then, it's an inexact science (I can think of one person who could probably prove me wrong, but his reputation speaks for itself).

In my experience, you can get good (and even, on occasion, excellent) SE rankings simply by creating clean, compliant code; and using precise and relevant title and description metas (provided you're not going for golden keywords and phrases). I believe there will always be a place for TRUE SEO professionals; I also suspect that most people who promise SE optimization are charlatans, at best.

SEO was getting too easy.
Its just become harder.
But somebody has to be on the first page of google's serps and we all got equal chance.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

:glugglug

I heard SEGuru say a while back, when google comes out with the IPO, that will be the downfall..

his explanation was simple, clear, and logical:

the new motive becomes profits for the shareholders, not giving out the best content-oriented search results.

heard him say it on some interview somewhere or some shit.

I'll never forget it.

He also cited this as the downfall for Excite, Yahoo, and others. :2 cents:

There's a lot to be said for having different seo techniques on different sites.So when google changes the algo one of your sites may drop but another one takes it place.
Thats why I have some slighty spammy sites,some quality sites and some ugly throwaway downright spam ones.

Perhaps this is what WiredGuy means by contingency plans.

Isn't their motivation now to make profit for its shareholders/owners anyway? Google may loose its edge a bit, but I don't think it will be the end of it. If anything, Microsoft coming into the market may do more damage to Google than anything else.

As long as they DO have free listing on the first half of page 1 everything is fine

I just have a feeling they'll change that within the first months of 2004.

With all respect SEGuru aint no guru.I am a swami so i should know one when I see one.:winkwink:
Google will only fade if there is some thing to take their place.Who will it be?Another upstart one from the university?Where will they get their money to compete?And if a newone does start and become succesful what will the backers want them to do?Cash in of course.
Could it be microsoft?Hardly likely that their search engine will be any less biased towards money.
Some of us may find it hard to see but I think google's search returns are better than ever and will only get more relevant for the surfer.After all its relevant serps that they are basing their IPO on.
:2 cents:

Exactly. Mixing in white hat strategies with black hat and making sure to mix up the traffic sources well enough with other engines. Never put all your eggs in one basket basically...

WG

What did you think of that program that was being promoted on irc about 2 weeks ago?

Death to Google Spammers!

I think the results are still shitty due to 'optimization' so more power to google. If they can actually come up with an algorithm that gets people relevant results of quality content then people with quality sites/techniques will thrive. :2 cents:

Filters are the future. Expect established sites to dominate the listings for big terms in the future.

But then that's just my :2 cents:

No crap.... but TGPs wont quite supplement google spamming income. :1orglaugh

Which program might that be?

the one that SEGuru is running.

the program that determines exactly what types of hits you are getting from PPC's.

Ahhh, I need to get a password from him to check it out. I keep forgetting to do it :)

WG

The shake up is good times I found I was getting signups for some site I forgot I even made the other day, and found it was getting a ton of new google traffic.

I won the contest that night. I believe that I was rewarded a month of the service. One problem, i'm not that far to where I can evaluate the program. If I were to give you my login could you give me an evaluation the program and it's details? The only thing I ask if for information on the program and its mechanics.

SEGuru owes me a month access as well, I just have been on vacation the last week or so and then I got Internext next week. I just need to find the time to take a look but it looks promising.

WG

same techniques that worked on altavista 5 years ago work on google today.

where can iget some info on this new seguru program?

Not at all. Luckily, google is NOT the only engine on earth. If history repeats itself (which it usually does) then google won't be the top engine forever. There is SERIOUS competition coming in the biz in the next few years that will challenge google and deliver quality traffic to sites.
My take on it.. time for patience. Optimize for ALL ENGINES and optimize for PEOPLE. You just never know who's going to be on top tomorrow.

It's going to be a big step for Microsoft and Amazon (A9.com) to take over, if they even have the innovation to do so.

Let's wait and see.

Btw, who knows the approx. release date for Microsoft's new engine and A9?

Prime examples that ethical SEO is not dead:

www.penisbot.com
www.link-o-rama.com
www.hoes.com

They all rank very well on many popular terms.

I doubt goo will die.

Goo has always made its rep and its traffic by providing relevent results fast and free. That won't change because they are not that stupid. (They resisted the portal movement for exactly that reason, they'll do it again.)

What will change is more prominent adwords placement, making the free listings less valuable.

I have some #1 rankings that haven't changed in years. Others are gone. Same seo techniques on all of them, go figure.

Altavista sent me higher quality traffic than google on my first page listing recently.

I believe MS said they expect to come up with their own engine at around 2005/6, and integrate it with the new longhorn release. time will tell.
Not sure about A9 but I'm sure amazon are pissed at google for trying to get into the book market with their new Printgoogle innovation. Also I'm quite sure that ebay are going after the SE market and also pissed at google for bringing out Froogle.. Won't be surprising at all.

Hey Guys,

Swammi, I'm offended ya weenie. :winkwink:

Well, the IPO was indeed my guess and rationale for the beginning of the end for Google.

I did predict this going back to CyberNet in Montreal. I even sat with Google's Adult guy, Chris...and told him my theory.

So far, its dead on. hehehehe Shoulda checked Vegas on this one...the odds woulda been great I bet.

As for you guys asking about the new service... it can be found at http://www.trafficfreaks.com

I've got numerous traffic streams running thru this new Auditing Tool and I like it. I did see some reptitive IPs being logged, and then looked closer at the recorded click data and was able to determine that the IP reptitions were from an AOL Proxy. I could see AOL 7 and AOL 9 in the click reports.

This told me I was seeing real traffic and not a bot. Me Likes.
Hey, I use my own tool-sets too! :winkwink: