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  • Naughty
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2001
    • 6479

    #1

    43% rebills, is that good or bad?

    Me thinks that is okay so far. What is industry average?

    If it is higher I have to get more and even better stuff inside.
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  • KingK7
    Confirmed User
    • Jun 2002
    • 6372

    #2
    43% these days is very good I'd say...
    Thats if you honor cancellation requests.

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    • Madball
      Confirmed User
      • May 2002
      • 748

      #3
      43% rebills ON WHAT? Trial -> Full conversion? 1st month rebills?

      Hard to tell if there's no additional info?
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      • Naughty
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2001
        • 6479

        #4
        Originally posted by Madball
        43% rebills ON WHAT? Trial -> Full conversion? 1st month rebills?

        Hard to tell if there's no additional info?
        On my overall stats in CCBill
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        • fsfaz
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2003
          • 747

          #5
          Originally posted by Naughty


          On my overall stats in CCBill
          Your not making sense unless this is your first months rebills or ???

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          • johnbosh
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2002
            • 8965

            #6
            sponsors are paying 35 for 2.99 trials so if it's first month its a bit low I think

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            • Madball
              Confirmed User
              • May 2002
              • 748

              #7
              Originally posted by johnbosh
              sponsors are paying 35 for 2.99 trials so if it's first month its a bit low I think
              Many sponsors would kill newborn babies for 43% trial->full.
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              • juicylinks
                So Fucking Banned
                • Apr 2001
                • 122992

                #8
                Originally posted by Madball
                Many sponsors would kill newborn babies for 43% trial->full.
                Well have you taken a look at some of the paysites out there?

                I join some sites before i promote them to see whats behind the scenes and if its even worthwhile (revshare sponsors that is)

                Very few are evn worth the effort to get a true rebill ie: the surfer forgetting to cancel and being rebilled as comapred to surfer liking the updates and site and wanting to be rebilled

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                • Matt_WildCash
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1699

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Madball
                  Many sponsors would kill newborn babies for 43% trial->full.
                  Yep its amazing how these big sponsors can even pay $35 per trial when their conversions from trial are so damn low, I would say 20-30% convert from trial wouldn't be far off for most major paysites. Kickass revshares do better as they have more targeted better members areas.

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                  • gornyhuy
                    Chafed.
                    • May 2002
                    • 18041

                    #10
                    Recent stats that were shown on this board from a very well respected sponsor who uses CCBILL showed revenue from rebills at 38% of all revenue.

                    That sponsor does weekly updates on niche-fetish sites.

                    icq:159548293

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                    • Naughty
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 6479

                      #11
                      Only a few of our sites have a 2.99/2day trial. The others are full month membership.
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                      • Madball
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2002
                        • 748

                        #12
                        Originally posted by gornyhuy
                        Recent stats that were shown on this board from a very well respected sponsor who uses CCBILL showed revenue from rebills at 38% of all revenue.

                        That sponsor does weekly updates on niche-fetish sites.
                        if somebody told you his gross revenues grew by 10% last year, would you think he had a good or a bad year? NO IDEA! Unless you know by what %age the overall market grew.

                        If 38% of that guys revenue is from rebills what does that tell us? Does he have One time non-recurring memberships? How old are their websites (3 months or 3 years with a big member base?) etc. etc. etc.
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                        • KMR Stitch
                          I am cool
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 14494

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Naughty
                          Me thinks that is okay so far. What is industry average?

                          If it is higher I have to get more and even better stuff inside.
                          me thinks you watch a lot of starwars

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                          • gornyhuy
                            Chafed.
                            • May 2002
                            • 18041

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Madball
                            if somebody told you his gross revenues grew by 10% last year, would you think he had a good or a bad year? NO IDEA! Unless you know by what %age the overall market grew.

                            If 38% of that guys revenue is from rebills what does that tell us? Does he have One time non-recurring memberships? How old are their websites (3 months or 3 years with a big member base?) etc. etc. etc.
                            Hey Madball,
                            It gives ONE datapoint of what an OVERALL rebill rate could be from a quality sponsor that has been around for a long time who is using ccbill and who has a large and growing member base.

                            It also tells us that you are a complete fucking idiot ass hat waste of flesh. Enjoy your bitterness fucktard.

                            icq:159548293

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                            • Madball
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2002
                              • 748

                              #15
                              Originally posted by gornyhuy


                              Hey Madball,
                              It gives ONE datapoint of what an OVERALL rebill rate could be from a quality sponsor that has been around for a long time who is using ccbill and who has a large and growing member base.

                              It also tells us that you are a complete fucking idiot ass hat waste of flesh. Enjoy your bitterness fucktard.
                              Or it could be a program that does 40+ % of their gross w/ one time 90 day memberships so why don't we just keep guessing.

                              If you ask a dumb question chances are on GFY you get even dumber answers.
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                              • Naughty
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 6479

                                #16
                                Originally posted by KMR Stitch


                                me thinks you watch a lot of starwars
                                Never actually, I don't like it.
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                                • Brad-Wishing
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 2415

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by juicylinks
                                  Very few are evn worth the effort to get a true rebill ie: the surfer forgetting to cancel and being rebilled as comapred to surfer liking the updates and site and wanting to be rebilled
                                  So true.
                                  I think THAT along with incorrect ccbilling is killing us off for sure.
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                                  • jimmy3way
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Sep 2001
                                    • 2508

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Naughty
                                    Topic: 43% rebills, is that good or bad?

                                    Me thinks that is okay so far. What is industry average?

                                    If it is higher I have to get more and even better stuff inside.
                                    If you own a paysite and can only manage 43% rebills you should give up and turn it into an AVS or something.

                                    Anyway there are far more important numbers: average cost of aquisition, yield per customer, expense per customer, etc.
                                    One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

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                                    • Kimmykim
                                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                      • Jun 2001
                                      • 16015

                                      #19
                                      Not enough information here naughty.

                                      What's your collection setup and then a judgement can be made.

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                                      • steve90
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 2397

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by johnbosh
                                        sponsors are paying 35 for 2.99 trials so if it's first month its a bit low I think

                                        sponsors paying 35 for the 2.99 trial are pay per sign up the dont have rebills worked into there program thats how the make money

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                                        • SomeCreep
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                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 26118

                                          #21
                                          good

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                                          • sandman!
                                            Icq: 14420613
                                            • Mar 2001
                                            • 15427

                                            #22
                                            Sounds good.
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                                            • Brad Xtremepay
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Dec 2003
                                              • 2000

                                              #23
                                              43% is good... my teen kelly is 70%

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                                              • Mike AI
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 3624

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Brad Xtremepay
                                                43% is good... my teen kelly is 70%
                                                Have you seen their members area?


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                                                • SoundMan
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                  • 3471

                                                  #25
                                                  last i looked was 60+% so i figure if your below 50% there is a problem, and i made a shitload of updates since then.

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                                                  • SoundMan
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                    • 3471

                                                    #26
                                                    what you all look at is the bottom dollar per join.

                                                    say my site is at 15.00 per mo + $15.00 rebill

                                                    = $30.00 flat rate

                                                    your site is at $1.00 trial 40.00 rebill

                                                    your at $41.00 flat rate

                                                    now figure your rebills against your trials and work it..
                                                    i make more with $14.95 trials then $2.95 trials..

                                                    test test test.. it shows as fast as one month..

                                                    try.
                                                    try.
                                                    try.

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                                                    • Brad Xtremepay
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                      • 2000

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Mike AI
                                                      Have you seen their members area?
                                                      Negative.. why?

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                                                      • Zappu
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                        • 1556

                                                        #28
                                                        I think 46% is pretty good. I heard some days ago that the recurring length for int. sites is about 1 1/2 month only now. Anybody can confirm this?
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                                                        • Alky
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                          • 5651

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Brad Xtremepay

                                                          Negative.. why?
                                                          although she is hot, not much content

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                                                          • pamphage
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 3569

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Driven


                                                            Yep its amazing how these big sponsors can even pay $35 per trial when their conversions from trial are so damn low, I would say 20-30% convert from trial wouldn't be far off for most major paysites. Kickass revshares do better as they have more targeted better members areas.
                                                            its easy to see how they big boys make money off pps. they harvest emails and spam like hell. those are valuable legit emails of people who spend money on porn. good leads =$$$
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                                                            • Trax
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                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                              • 14486

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by pamphage


                                                              its easy to see how they big boys make money off pps. they harvest emails and spam like hell. those are valuable legit emails of people who spend money on porn. good leads =$$$
                                                              thats pure bullshit
                                                              thats one out of 1000 ways to earn money from the traffic
                                                              as if you knew what you are talking about
                                                              what big PPS program are you running again?

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                                                              • 50 Cent
                                                                Registered User
                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                • 293

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Naughty
                                                                Me thinks that is okay so far. What is industry average?

                                                                If it is higher I have to get more and even better stuff inside.
                                                                I think if you are over 52% you're ok, you still have some things to improve if you are at 43.

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