My conversation with Matrix...
 

So Matrix claims that they had nothing to do with it, and their CEO issued this statement to me through one of their employees. What do you think?

stile (01:03 PM) :
hi danny. i just got a letter from Acacia, and they had my real name and info on the address. the only place I ever signed up using that info was Matrix. can you explain this?

Danny@Matrix (01:03 PM) :
here is a statement from our Owner

Danny@Matrix (01:04 PM) :
It was not our database. Not one person was able to prove their information came from us. What you have to understand is these guy are pros at obtaining information. I'll give you a couple examples: Go to Directnic and purchase all information with domains containing certain key words. You registration information might not be correct, but did you use a credit card to register? You have to give real information. Buy a list of all cooperations and businesses in all 50 states. With a phone number I can get the address it connects to. With a name I can get your address from the DMV. Is you site linked to any TGPs? Have you ever been to a webmaster show and had your badge scanned?

Danny@Matrix (01:04 PM) :
That's just the piece of the many ways to collect info and cross reference. These guys have 34,000,000.00 to do this with. We called them as well. They have over 100 people just surfing the net look for anything the can get their hands on. I'm a business to business company and it would be suicide for us to put our customers or potential customer under the bus. These guys are going after everyone. If you think you can prove without a doubt that your information came from us, we would be the most happiest guys on the planet! With proof like that they would be in a shit load of trouble including criminal charges and civil damages.

Thanks,
Norman Bentley

stile (01:06 PM) :
it's just too coincidental. people signed up for matrix using specific names, mis-spelled names, mis-spelled streets, and have recieved letters from acacia with the exact same mis-spellings?!

Danny@Matrix (01:07 PM) :
stile
have we ever met?

Danny@Matrix (01:07 PM) :
I want you to try and put yourself in our possition

stile (01:08 PM) :
yeah, i've spent thousands at matrix dude... talked to you before on here, you gave me a discount.

Danny@Matrix (01:08 PM) :
we never knowlingly gave anyone our list

stile (01:08 PM) :
i agree it would not be in matrix's best intrest to give out their database, so i couldn't possibly see why you guys would do it

Danny@Matrix (01:09 PM) :
It is frustrating for me
I need to make sales, if someone got it they stole it

stile (01:09 PM) :
prolly. man, you guys are going to take such a hit in business. bleh.

Danny@Matrix (01:10 PM) :
If you believe in us
stick by us and I'll take care of you
if don't then I sincerly appoligize.

stile (01:11 PM) :
well i hope you guys find out some info man. you really should sue acacia and collect evidence.

Danny@Matrix (01:18 PM) :
thanks man
hit me up again
if you wnt some content from
us I'll take of you
sorry about all this

I only dealt with two of the companies that settled with Acacia and that content site was one of them. While I cant prove anything reading this board makes it bluntly obvious where the list came from.

Ironic being that the only thing I ever had to do with streaming media is linking to a site that hosts it

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I personally use jact content :thumbsup Quality content, no hassle and no acacia.

you fucking cockholster Bentley, keep changing your story around - as if anybody here can't see what's going on. Nice try to deflect some attention onto Directnic.

Hey Norman yesterdy or the day before you said on this board that you have a strong suspicion who leaked your client list? Well? But now you've got your monkey calling stiles and all other liars and whipping out that 'strawman' about nobody calling you with 100% proof - all bullshit.

Why haven't you told the webmaster community you say you care so much about who the other owners of Matrix Content are and had access to your customer lists? What about the DMCA department you felt people should know about? What is that, who is that?

I want to know why this so-called "DMCA Department" would even have the registration info from someone that registered but never bought. With the proof I've seen with my own eyes, plus similar stories from other webmasters, I'm convinced that Matrix violated our trust and privacy by giving up info to Acacia.

It would be pretty funny if this DMCA deparment that keeps getting mentioned turns out to be APIC.

Does anyone know if Matrix has used APIC in the past?

that conversation was toooo nice for me
Matrix: 1
stile: 0

:2 cents:

well, i'm not going to go off the deep end. at this point what good what it do?

Someone give me a shovel... too much bullshit around here.

Fuck Acacia.
Fuck Matrix.
:321GFY

I thought I had proved my case fairly well.. I had a call with them and they told me the same thing about directic nic and so on... but the only flaw with that theory is I have around 50 domains parked and Acacia only has 1

atleast 50% of the domains I have contain adult keywords.. and the kicker is the date the domain in question was registerd I allso registered a second domain with the same keyword.. yet acacia has only 1 domain. (btw the keyword is sex)

So I think that proves it didn't come from a register. I personally don't think Matrix handed the info out.. I think myself and a lot of people jumped the bandwagon but do to the nature it could only be expected. I'm personally going to lay off accusing Matrix intill they have a chance to sort things out.. When you think about the way their business is set up, it would be very stupid of them to sell out it's cilientbase.. So I am giving them the benefit of doubt on this being they are a well known company.

I think everyone should give them a rest for a bit and let them work this out.


btw Matrix, I'm still waiting on that call to be returned.. I thought the info I was giving you was pretty usefull.. I've looked up all my names I've registered and have some more from the same time period and the same keyword.. should be usefull information for you in proving this didn't come from the register.

crockett thanks for the information - so Matrix is now attempting to throw some mud at Directnic every time it communicates with a webmaster who points a finger at Matrix.

NOT one fucking person has even had a tiny inclination that Directnic had anything to do with Acacia getting personal details on them while literally hundreds of webmasters are accusing Matrix but Norman feels it's a smart move to insinuate that Directnic might have something to do with this - that is the type of scumbag we are dealing with here.

i had a similar conversation with danny yesterday. it REALLY pissed me off. i actually sent a list of the threads and names of people with specific misspells or who give out different emails to each place. with all that, they still say there's no proof.

norman wrote to me today and said they were in contact with the fbi but yesterday danny said they had not contacted any law enforcement agency but he agreed that they should.

i notice matrix keeps talking about trust. a lot of us don't know them, so why SHOULD we trust them? there is a difference between trust and faith, and trust is based on experience.

if they want trust to develop, they have to keep communication way open and be honest no matter what they decide to do. having danny tell me one thing and norman another isn't going to make me trust them. and all the people who say you should simply trust them 'cause norman is a nice guy - even the nicest person can panic when they feel threatened. that applies to anyone.

unless you disbelieve all those people who came forward with acacia letters with information unique to matrix, the theory of any registrar is a bust. in fact, it is a bust with me - the name on our acacia letter isn't on directnic or anyplace but two content providers - as i told danny.

All Matrix needs is one person who will sign a paper saying "I swear, under penalty of perjury..."

They could file for a restraining order against Acacia today.

CE Cash sued a list stealer for a message board post, Matrix has plenty of information if they wanted to file a suit today.

Why won't they do it?

Matrix could find the problem, but they aren't doing it.

If they are telling people is has something to do with DirectNic, maybe DirectNic should sue Matrix?

DirectNIC has nothing to do with streaming videos, we have not even got an information pack. There has been no communication between Acacia and DirectNIC at all. On top of that DirectNIC would NEVER give out any information on any of our customers for ANY REASON.

We have a full staff of in-house attorneys to handle all issues, if Matrix wants to continue slandering DirectNIC's name, they will soon meet them.

This is a fight that does not involved DirectNIC at all.


If anyone has any concerns e-mail me michael AT directnic dot com


It appears to me Matrix is purposeuly blaming other people, trying to confuse other people to deflect the criticisim they deserve for turning over their webmaster lists.

It is a cheap ploy, and one that will cost them more then the 2% Acacia wanted if they continue it. If you kick a tiger in the ass, better be prepaired for its teeth!

i think matrix' biz has been hurt perminantly or at least for an extended period of whether or not they sold the list. if they sold it then the owner is going to rot in hell and be raped by the devils small minions weilding sharp pitchforks and giant watermelons looking for a new home.

:1orglaugh

They just keep digging a deeper hole.

Hypothetically speaking, even if they did give up their database they wouldn't ever admit to it. That seems to be what some here are waiting for, and it's not going to happen no matter what may have taken place.

What I find funny is that instead of addressing the evidence at hand in a reasonable manner, they simply say none exists.

This is utter BS. When I signed up at Matrix I used my father's name. His name is not on any whois info for any domain. See my post from yesterday:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=191477

If the database was stolen then let's see what actions and what authorities Matrix has contacted. They should have been on here days ago firmly stating that the appropriate authorities had been contacted and that those involved would be compensated. There is no damage control going on whatsoever.

How the fuck do you think I feel getting a letter addressed to my dead father from Acacia because of this. You fuckers had better come up with an explanation pretty quickly.

All I am hearing is silence.

The mere hint that a registrar I use is involved in this makes me want to transfer all my domains away (200+) to a registrar with a different "ownership".

OK, this is really starting to smell funny. Too many different stories coming out. Things being said and not followed through. Canned prepared speeches. And now they're pointing fingers at DirectNIC.

Can someone do a Photoshop on Juicy's GFY Alert image for this. My suspicion level just went up a notch.

well, matrix had a good run...............

Well I know that my info FOR SURE came from Matrix, the error in my address was an error in the street number. My mailman knows me and made sure it got to the right house, otherwize it would have gotten sent back because the address they had for me doesn't exist.

And I only ever made that mistake when signing up with Matrix.

I dont know Norman but alot of people that do that I find credible say he wouldnt do such a thing.

Man its frustrating to hear someone selling out to Acacia by giving away a webmaster database.

too much evidence has been posted here dave, I wouldn't be jumping on that sinking ship......................

He lied.

Danny@Matrix (01:04 PM) :
It was not our database.

Danny@Matrix (01:09 PM) :
It is frustrating for me
I need to make sales, if someone got it they stole it




So which is it? It wasnt yours or it "might" be if someone stole it?

The information did NOT come from directnic, I have many domains there and no acacia letter at all... yet :)
Read the post in this thread from directnic worker "Mike AI".

c'mon MattO, you know you're a lying sack of shit, if you weren't you'd call Norman Bentley and provide him proof, 100% proof, Matrix's list got into Acacia's hands :1orglaugh

anybody else who has spoken to Bentley or a Matrix employee and has been told to consider Directnic as a source please post it here

when is Bentley going to tell us about this DMCA department - there are people saying interesting things about it -

still no word of a lawsuit against acacia from martrix...... if acacia stole it legal action would follow.........

Norman didn't do it - that's what i'm hearing - but what he's doing by trying to wriggle away from something he is involved in, involuntarily as it may be, by in effect calling webmasters liars and playing stupid games like this 'I need 25 webmasters with 100% proof evidence and I will sue Acacia' crap and now deflecting the heat to an innocent bystander like Directnic - is low and insulting to the seemingly hundreds of webmasters who were betrayed by Matrix, whether the people who operate Matrix's day to day operations had anything to do with this or not.

why do people keep talking so well of this dolt? Does Babenet mean anything to you people or that's ok with you?

Platinum Dave for the record I don't belive they gave the list out, however I do know acacia got it somehow. IMO the damage is done with acacia, being they now have my info (just not a good domain) So bashing Matrix now will no longer solve anything.

IMO I think everyone should sit back and let them do what ever it is they are doing. I however do feel Matrix needs to get on top of this in public view.. I can understand not naming names.. but just let the general public know what they are doing.

As a side note in DiricNic's defense Matrix did not tell me that DiricNic sold any lists. They said Acacia told them, they bought lists of names containing adult keywords from registars.

This can not possibly be the excusess in my case, being I have over 50 domains many with the exact same keyword as the domain in question. I even looked back through my records and I bought 2 domains the same day as the one in question, both containing the word "sex". Acacia only has one.

btw the registar isn't diricNic I only have one domain there.

i get the feeling norman is trying to make people believe that he was the subject of some elaborate ninja scheme so he'll be able to form a new company and continue to RAT PEOPLE OUT.
that's find and dandy , BUT the hounddogs here won't let this drop, and I doubt they EVER will and it'll follow you to any new company you form or work for.


norman - if your integirty is worth anything - SUE ACACIA and WIN. without that noone will trust you anymore in this game.

if what you say about the list being stolen is true then a lawsuit is really you're ONLY recourse if you want to continue in this game.

Stile, get online on icq.
Im intrested to buy something from you... :thumbsup

hahaha
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something tells me acacia haven't come this far to steal a webmaster DB
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" Quality content, no hassle and no acacia."

funny, that actually could be a great slogan ;)