What does it take to get webmaster to leave a PPS program for %?
 

Any thoughts?

free bannerless hosting, exclusive content and 60% should do it.

why not try 75% for a change :thumbsup

Andreas, you are making mint with SoCal, is a great program.... Open the wallet, do PPS!! You can afford it easily - especially with your fantastic retention - you know what you are making per signup.

We will even beta-test if for you!



:Graucho

My good man MIKE.

U gotta come down Friday to LA with Buff. I would love to come up and chat with u.

Why do PPS. Good sites = good retention. Webmasters need to get out of the get paid now deal that PPS offers, and start getting use to making the big bling over the long run. I almost always go with the %.

The problem is that though with % you can make 3,4,5 times the money, it takes 3,4,5 times as long, which is not appealing to alot of webmasters. I've always been a fan of the few pps/% hybrids that pay a decent per su and a low rev share, personally.

The problem with recurring is it takes time to build up cash. I could send someone 10 trials today and make $20 with the POTENTIAL of making more money later on. Or, I could send a PPS 10 trials today and make $250-350 without worrying about "potential".

The affiliate takes a risk when sending traffic to a recurring program. The risk is minimal when sending to a PPS program.

I also think any sponsor who's truly confident in their sites would also offer PPS, maybe not open to the public, but definitely to a select few affiliates. I like seeing that confidence.

Andreas, I would love to - but I am stuck in NO for a few weeks, then to Tampa. Buff gets to have all the fun...


I am always around to talk on phone or ICQ. Drop me a e-mail michael at hirise DOT com

Besides single girl Amateur sites, we really do not send any traffic to rev share. Especially in todays business climate, I want my money up front and not have to rely on the program keeping surfers happy, or even if a processor will dissappear next month.

The problem is the there is a risk in revshare, one that an affiliate cannot control ( member retention).

There is a reason the Big Boys only do PPS with each other.

very true these days you dont know if a processor will be around next month

I agree with this 100%

I remember when RevShare first hit the market - it allowed anyone with a site to become a program. It helped create a lot of problems we are facing now in this industry. The barriers to entry in this industry dropped substantially.

It is nice to get a program running, to boot strap it, but eventually going PPS is the only way to make it to the big leagues.

Totally! Its way more money in the long run. The get paid now mentalitily is also what makes some affiliates leary to take certain webmaster traffic they are not familiar with. Why aren't you confident that your joins will retain? Its more of a true partnership on a rev share. Both sides are more commited to sending quality traffic that converts and retains.

Socalcash-we asked the same question of 100 webmasters when we desinged our program. We have a revshare that pays per join untill the revshare kicks in. So we'll pay them $25 bucks per untill, the rebills are paying them more.

Mike i agree that revshare opened up the opportunity for alot of people who shouldn't be running paysites to get in the game BUT
you and me know the worst scammers in this biz are big boys who run PPS programs.

Mutt we are in agreement on who the Cockholsters of this industry are.

The people who have used the internet and merchant accounts ( 3rd part billers) as a virtual printing press for money by cramming surfers credit cards and other various games.

Pay per signup, or go take your cardboard office and go home. Rec Share is for people who can not pps for one reason or another.

Mike,

We would be more then happy to pay u on a PPS basis for your exit traffic. No question about it. We would be happy to pay anyone on a PPS basis provided they have a solid track record and our established. However, my question goes out to the core of the webmasters out there. This business does not move b/c of exit traffic from paysites it comes from the medium sized webmasters that put in the hard hours and make a living out of this.

We built our business on hard working webmasters like this that have stuck with us b/c of the money they have made with this model.

As for your comment BIGDOG on processors going belly up. If EPOCH or CCBILL going under was even an issue, I would not be building my business around a partnership program......I dont


Its always nice to hear everybody disccus this topic with no drama.

Hey Andreas can you add some features to your new stats system that your old system had? Would be nice to see where sales were coming from. Right now I have no idea which of my 2 different types of traffic sources is working and which isn't.

Just use the ad label feature. ...hit up Ace or me..

Well you have my e-mail, I can show you some love for PPS....

I pay a select few on PPS.

If you can push serious signups and you know a real honest site with real content and real updates then you can make a killing with recurring.

The thing is when I pay PPS it is not because I fucked the surfer over but rather because I know my rebills.

Sad thing is that most bank on BS cross-sells and stuff that is causing all the heat on everyone.

I personally promote only recurring, i.e. GSpotmoney etc.

I do almost all PPS. To be easily convinced to do a recurring, you could offer me a guaranteed $35 per signup or 50% whichever is higher. That would actually get me to work harder for you than someone just paying a standard $35 or even $45 cuz that would be a drastically increasing check every month and i realize the potential of that!

I've been recently REALLY dissapointed by revshare, one of the big boys is rebilling at about 20% of my signups.

I can't even come close to being happy with that. That's why I am pushing PPS again.

Exactly no one has faith in each others products. If you have strong original content, and not a bmuch of cookie cutter sites, the rev share is 100% better. I'm still collecting on sign ups from some programs for well over 6-8 months. It's deff worth it if the content is strong, and the sites have good tours.

Gspot is yet another amazing rev share program

GRIM.

We totally think alike.

Mike...u got mail.

What up Andreas...

hell offer a "PPS" by invite only... don't even advertise it.. do it one on one... gets you the traffic/joins you want.. and satisfies the sending party.. and you should know who you can trust...:2 cents:

As long as I can remember, one of the recurring issues in this business has been the failure of many paysites to retain their members. Numbers between 1 and 3 months are regularly thrown around and obviously unless retention is at or beyond the top end of that range, revshare is going to be bad news for affiliates.

For sure there are exceptions and then revshare is a much better option in several respects. But so long as the most publicized message about retentions is negative, even forward-thinking webmasters are going to be cautious. Particularly since it takes longer to discover whether a revshare sponsor is a good choice, and that means more wasted traffic whenever it doesn't work out.

That's quite a scary thing to say... Think about it!

Hmmm no e-mail.

make sure you sent to MICHAEL @ HIRISE dot COM

Many people get confused and send to Mike....

People are saying that all the big boys offer PPS.. I did not know that all it took to be a "big boy" was a PPS system.

I'd be more then happy with a rev/share system and put more time into shooting OG content and putting out 1 of a kind type sites, rather then buy a bulk load of content and hope everyone else does not use the same chick in the tour. I feel content is what it's all about, have strong content people will join regardless.

You may want to set up both just in case, I have grim, shawn, and grimshawn @ so and so... You may even want to add mikeai @ to be safe

give me bannerless hosting like triplexcash and u got me

give me something that retains more than 1 month and u got me


some ppl sell the idea of revshare that it will last forever.. for the bad programs.. they pay less and they keep all the upsells.

exactly, but real content costs real money so I guess most of them would just rather fuck the surfer with a BS plugin, fuck them with BS cross-sells and fuck all legit webmasters over with the sick shit thats going on between visa and DOJ

Yeah I used to have that setup Grim, I guess my thinking is I get enough e-mail as it is, if people cannot read MICHAEL at HIRISE dot COM then it might raise a few flags....

Exactly, that's what I have been trying to say. You just have a way with words. Sure it costs money to shoot content, but in the long run it pays off. There is nothing wrong with some plug in's to add a lil spice to the members area, or to give more variety. Every has gotten fucked over and sadly it's given people with Rev/share programs and good solid OG content a bad name. People are scared and want a quick pay out.

there are a fair number of big success stories using that model but it has its limitations. that's why in the year I've been selling content I've probably had 2,000 webmasters/companies check out what I'm doing and only 2 of the big boys have even bothered to check me out. Shooting for one of them now.

I find using both ppsu and recurring works best.

exclusive content pays off faster then most think (unless you shott same old lesbian bullshit)

Imagaine is visa decides to follow thru with that requirement of having to have a good percentage on a members area exclusive

I always prefer revshare over pps.
especially if you send large amounts of traffic to a quality site, you'll have a lot more fun with revshare... :)

the problem is that if a webmaster only sends 10 hits per day and only 2 signups per month, he'll be much more happy with pps

I know, I totally know. All of the content we use is 100% ours and 100% original.

If you are shooting nothing with a solid idea behind it it's usually rather worthless.

I can see an upside to having a 75% exclusive members area, what's so wrong with giving your members something they have not watched before?

Exclusive content is the way to go!

This is the key to all quality sites. Rev Share or PPS....

We have been doing our OWN Custom content since 1996...
We have shot over 1.5 million photos, 500 hours of video.

We have been shifting from still to video.... and it is paying off.

:glugglug

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What does it take to get webmaster to leave a PPS program for %?
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common sense.
How do you think the big boys become big?

i hate sigs with sound

So TRUE! PPS has no risk for the webmaster and that just makes life easier.

"What does it take to get webmaster to leave a PPS program for %?"

Alot of drugs, alot of booze and some real mean pussy.

Here's my POV...

PPS:
(+) You see your $$$ more quickly.
(+) Multiple billing options.
(-) Different stats interfaces and logins for each individual sponsor.
(-) Potential for shaving. It's harder to trust a new sponsor who is counting and sending the checks to you directly.
(-) Higher level of affiliate fraud (which indirectly affects honest affiliates)
(-) Programs often have excessive consoles and/or cross billing to get the full payout.

Revshare (via third party biller):
(+) Longer term recurring value if the site is good.
(+) Stats via third party, plus most processors allow you to view multiple programs under a single login
(+) Cleaner tours with fewer consoles, or none at all.
(-) Usually only a single billing processor available (if there's no backup, the site loses a potential sale; if there is a backup, you probably don't get credited for it)
(-) If the processor shuts down, your rebills vanish.

I prefer revshare because of the third party stats and generally cleaner sites, but the last negative in my revshare list seems to appear more significant each day.

There is too many variables with recurring.I got stung by Largecash doing %
I was only getting 1out of 10 renewing their trial and whenever I complained they just said it was an aberration.After 6 weeks of screaming it turns out the credit card wasn't automatically rebilling .
Fuck me fuckn drunk!
I get 700 signups amonth and I would seriously like to do % but I havent found anyone i trust enough.

A smart webmaster is going to send their traffic to the place that sends them the biggest check, regardless of how the total is calculated.

Doesn't matter if its revshare, pay per sign up, pay per click, pay per email, whatever. The size of the check is all that matters, you can't spend signups, clicks, or retention percentages, you can only spend money.

Alot of webmasters think that the program with the highest payout per signup, click, or whatever is going to make them the most money, but that's not necessarily true.
I send the vast majority of my traffic to revshare programs. Do I make $35-40 a signup? Not even close.....but I make significantly more money promoting revshare programs with original content than I ever made sending traffic to any other type of program, and I've tried just about all of them at one time or another.

:2 cents:

With the justice department and credit card companies getting ready to tag team the adult industry, many smart people are looking to get their money up front.

I don't care how much you trust someone or how long they have been around, if A-s-h-c-r-f-t knocks on your sponsor's door, you're going to wish you had done PPS.

Is anyone going to get paid rebills by this company:
http://www.girlspooping.com/