BULLSHIT! US Taxpayers Paying For 1,000 New Schools In Iraq
 

OK, I feel sorry for the Iraqi people. They've been through 30 years of absolute hell and abuse and deserve help to get their country back in order.

But come on, Bush just said in his UN speach the US is going to build 1,000 new schools in Iraq.

What the fuck. There are so many overcrowded and deteriorating schools in the US that should be taken care of first.

Our government's priorities are all fucked up.

This irresponsible allocation of our money to other countries pisses me off to no end.

i know im with ya but it looks like the US is no longer a democracy

vote with bullets.

throw a bomb

If the students weren't allowed to rule the roost, schools in this country wouldn't be in the fucked up state they are.

I agree to an extent. But I also realize that once you start something, it needs to be finished or everything will revert back to square one.

I would think someone with your success would realize this, too.

I definitely agree.

I'm with you both but what does any of this have to do with democracy?

well there is no say anymore, what bush decides goes regardless of what and those who dont follow are called anti US and forced to agree or step down

They completely ignore and disrespect the American people that elected them, except for the wealthly ones apparently who have their direct ear.

Fuck, you think he's be more concerned with the quality of education in his own fucking country.. Why not open more schools there where they're needed.. He's a complete fuckup. People still support him WHY?

Hate to say it, but it's always been like that. Leaders are... leaders. They make decisions.

Plus, the United States isn't a democracy. Never has been. We elect officials to make decisions for us based on knowledge we don't have. Sure that may make us sheep, but it's practical.

That's gonna be expensive

Every year I was in school, the teachers taught less and less to the point where my Senior English class, became an Indian History class, complete with field trips and learning how to make a tee-pee... and the math and computer classes... *I* had to help the teachers, because I was beyond what the teachers could do.

pretty fucking sad.

if you cant see what bush has done and you dont see the manjor disaster its causing then something is very wrong with you

school is gay in general. i just hope they can read the grainpack of my shells.

And who would you get to teach in them?
There aren't enough qualified teachers for the schools we have.
And there's NO incentive to become one.
That was my career goal, to become a teacher, but after talking to quite a few about it who were trying to encourage me to take that route, I changed my mind.

Hopefully those new schools will teach them to read by using something other than the Koran.

Hmm..would it have been better to do what we did in Iraq then not rebuild anything?

Doubt it. Then everyone would be complaining we destroyed a small, helpless country and didn't bother fixing it up.

Can't win.

we SHOULD have turned it into a giant mirror

I graduated from high school two years ago in one of the better educated states in the nation, and I know all about it. Can't imagine what it would be like going to high school in California.

I'm not a huge fan of private schools due to lack of diversity, but my kids will be in private schools long before public. Public schools don't have enough power to keep the students in line. Trashy parents and their brats really fuck up everything for the small income families who value an education. This is one reason I'm a fan of vouchers.

Public schools are a lost cause. Stop feeding a broken money pit.

I agree now that we fucked it all up we need to do what it takes to help these inocent humans, but what exactly did we american people gain by fuckin iraq up

creating a socialistic paradise at home and putting your head in the sand with ignorance towards the rest of the world brings 911's

I don't recall saying anything in this thread about Bush NOT being a fuck up. I won't vote for him, nor do I support him any longer.

My personal opinion of Bush has nothing to do with whether or not we live in a democracy. It also has nothing to do with my beliefs on finishing a job that's been started.

I completely agree with you that the US shouldn't build Iraqi schools. I'm sure there could be a good plan put together for Iraqi oil profits to pay for such costs.

However, there is every "say". It's called the Senate and House. That's where the people and the states are represented and you are. You can vote, you know and that process is democratic.

There are billions of dollars spent every year by the US that I don't agree with but that doesn't mean Democracy stops just because I don't agree with 100% of government expenditures. There are people in every nation on earth that disagree with some of their governments expenses. That doesn't kill democracy or to be more accurate, the Republic.

You do know that the Senate and House both has to pass the wartime supplemental spending bill though, correct? It should also be pointed out that Bush didn't get the full tax cut that he asked for so of course it is not true that anything Bush decides goes.

There have been Senators and Representatives that have been critical of Bush and they hold their jobs quite strongly - probably stronger than before due to demographics.

No shit. High school was a fucking joke. I coasted through with a B+ average not ever studying for an exam and rarely doing homework. I didn't learn a damn thing and my teachers could care less. They were more concerned with simply meeting the already low minimum requirments and making retirment. My senior year I got the computer science award because I was the only one that did the work and let the other students simpley copy my stuff. It was a complete waste of 4 years.

The problem is that we don't pay our teachers enough to get quality teachers. Most school teachers were adverage college students that couldn't do anything else with thier degree so they got a teachers certificate. Might as well just pan the teaching jobs out to homless people. At least then the class room would be entertaining. HAHA

Yeah! Why the FUCK should anyone pay the teachers to do their job!?!??! I mean, Iraq needs 1000 schools, dontcha know.

I graduated high school after having just turned 16, and had allready been going to Uni for a year and a half. Everyone should be taught to read and write, then allowed time for personal study, then be sent in for exams... if you dont pass you get handed a peice of cardboard, a pen and a street corner.

I think we should rebuild Iraq with THEIR money. Loans and oil.

Very short sighted thinking.

high school was that shitty for you guys? that's really too bad. my last year of high school was the best of all my pre-university years. great teachers - lot's of advanced math courses available...

look who's running against him.... we're in it for another 4 years unfortunately

IMPERIALIST!

Actually, I do, too. That is what is going to happen, most likely. And people will complain we just rebuilt them to get cheap oil.

The no-win for the US situation is already in place. No matter what we do, we will not have done it for the right reasons, only the wrong ones. If we don't rebuild, we're mean and imperialistic, if we do rebuild via loans and oil it's only for cheap oil and we're still assholes, if we rebuild at our expense, we're idiots and don't care about our own people.

It's almost comical.

I wouldn't mind being a teacher. I think it would be a blast sitting in front of hundreds of kids every day sharing and gaining knowledge.

I'm not so sure it has to do with pay. Don't know what it's like know that I live in California, but in Iowa teachers were starting at $25k. That may not sound like much, but $25k can buy you a lot in Iowa. They work 9 months out of the year, have 3 months off. They're advanced schooling is paid for. Many vacation days. Pretty decent benefits. And best of all, tenure. They aren't getting fired unless they REALLY fuck up.

My brothers go to a private Catholic high school. Tuition is around $2.3k yearly. The teachers make jack. It's considered a very good school. They send more students to Notre Dame than ANY other school in the nation. You may not be familiar with Notre Dame, but it's a VERY good school. My cousin goes there, tuition is $30k+ yearly.

Explain that.

I taugh high-school my first year out of college. My true calling but it pays nothing.

It would have been better to not destroy the country in the first place.

If they are going to be rebuilding schools in Iraq you can bet its because someone in the Bush admin has some inside ties to the contractor that rebuilds them.

That remains to be seen, and it can't be changed anyways. We attacked them and kicked out Hussein. That is the situation as it currently stands so the only decisions to be made now are what to do at this point.

Rebuilding a bunch of schools in Iraq hardly seems like a bad thing to me all things considered.

:)

I guess a first-strike against another country (ie invading) before they attack you comes with some responsibility.

Erm... you do realize that the US is responsible for the things that need to be rebuilt? On another note, I can't belive that Bush had the nervs to talk to the UN about money for rebuilding Iraq after having fucked them in the ass.

We had plenty of advanced classes. I was in a couple. The advanced classes were great because everyone was... ADVANCED. They already had the will to learn, possessed dedication, for the most part they worked hard or were very smart, and they did what needed to be done. The teachers were pretty good too, but even when a teacher wasn't very good, it didn't matter much because the ADVANCED students knew what needed to be done.

And then I had my "regular" classes, which were a total nightmare. Don't think I learned a thing in any of them. The teachers didn't push, nor did they care... why? Because most of the kids were "free thinkers" and did what they want, when they wanted, and nobody could control them. Super.

They will be paying the United States back with oil for the rest of time.

Although expensive for US taxpayers, I think if you want to shape the future of the middle east, educating the adults of tomorrow is one way of going about doing that.

I'm hoping for a military base too.

Like I've always said, our goverment always takes care of everyone else first and then whatever funds are left over, tries to use those for us, unless someone else in the world needs fucking help!

With their money? Who do you think will be buying their oil with inflated high margin prices?

The US taxpayers.

Give us the oil at cost plus a reasonable markup and I'm cool with the deal. But the oil companies will make a fortune off the Iraqi oil because it has the lowest recovery costs on the planet.

The whole world is fucked up. That's the bottom line.

We need an Iraqi scholarship fund. See my post from earlier this morning.

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http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=178572

The US did not destroy the country...war damage in Iraq is not the major problem. It has been learned that the infrastructure was not up to par in the first place and in addition has deterioted badly over the last 12 years.