Another Innovation For The Revolution
 

Real time on the fly variable traffic pricing determined by true supply and demand. This week, it's coming. :thumbsup

Opinions from traffic buyers please???
(not just mine anyone that buys traffic)

Should be interesting to see how this plays out. I personally don't mess with TGP traffic but I guess there's a bunch of ways it could go. You mean it's like an auction or whatever?

No not a auction. If you have a gallery in say blonde teen niche and there are 2 other active spots in that niche, you get charged one rate. If there are 5 active spots in that niche you get charged a higher rate.

So basically if a noob comes along, adds 20 galleries to the 'blonde teen niche' we would get charged a x4 higher rate than if there were only 5 in that niche?

I know this system will work, what I do not know is how people will react to this. I mean does it sound scary, complicated, dumb or what? I really need input on peoples first thought when they hear "Variable Pricing". Thanks

Ah ok that system should actually work pretty well. You're gonna make a killing once it gets saturated enough. Should also force people to diversify their content.

If I know the stats I'd rather pay a premium rate rather than have my rate be based on the number of idiots in my niche :2 cents:

Yes and no. Each time he added traffic to a gallery in that niche the price would be progressively higher for each gallery by .01 a k. Now if after he did this, which would not be very smart on his part, a guy who had a active spot in that niche before he added wanted to add more traffic to their order, then yes they would get charged the higher rate. But each gallery is approved for several niches. So you could add traffic to that blonde teen gallery from say the teen, teen_bigtits, amateur teen, etc niche which may be a lower price at that time.

If I understand correctly it'd be ridiculous for a n00b to do that because he would be paying the same high rate. I get kind of the same impression as this as I get from PPC marketing. Valuable when used properly.

So you are saying charge more for the niches that have less orders active in them?

But, he wouldnt be paying as much for 20 galleries worth of traffic per k as you would be for 1 galleries worth per k.

How could you abuse this method to hurt others in your niche? Hmmm lets think about this for a second..... :2 cents:

Of course it would be smart on their part.

Think about it, to completely dominate a niche on your system if you start using this method, what would it take?

For example, lets say i buy 1k of traffic for a gay gallery at say $1 per k.

If i add another 1k of traffic for a new gallery i get charged $1.01 per k.

I just keep on adding galleries till i cant afford it anymore.

Meanwhile Joe Schmoe who only wants to buy 1k of traffic for a gay gallery now has to en up paying $4 per k because i have saturated the gay niche with my own galleries.

Yes he would. Okay if he added traffic to gallery 1, the price would be .21 per k
Then he goes to add traffic to gallery 2, the price for that one is .22 and so on and so on.
This is assuming they were all the exact same niche.

Inevitably this would happen but it would only do short term damage to the competition. It wouldn't be worth the investment of buying up all the other galleries, as soon as your account is dry the price would be right back down again.

True about the price but what ya have to remember is that by getting all that traffic i will have made sales to be able to keep on doing it up to the point where my R.O.I becomes a few cents more than what i am actually paying for the traffic.

No, I'm saying base your charges on available traffic and not on requests for traffic

But why would a buyer want to buy up 20 spots in the exact same niche? He ends up paying a lot more for it, and still all his galleries only get the total available traffic from that niche. IE a buyer in teen_blonde is going to get 100k a day to his galleries if he has 10 or 20 active spots in that niche.

Meanwhile, someone who actually 'needs' the traffic gets very little at a much higher cost.

Just seems to me that you would be opening your system up to a lot of potential abuse from certain individuals.

What happens if say CE want all the traffic for themselves, how could a webmaster get traffic from you in this instance?

1 sale from 100k of traffic is still a bigger profit for CE than what a webmaster would make long term for that same 100k imho.

So you are saying more traffic per hour is worth more per k. I am curious as to how many others fell this way.

That's how PPC is today. I guess it's more of a problem for you, a program owner than me, an affiliate. I can always go find a sponsor in an unsaturated niche and start over again but someone could really screw you out of alot of money if you making $40/recurring signup off your traffic.

Having more than 5 active spots in the exact same niche is not very smart. You are no longer getting unuiqes. You are getting the same surfer seeing 3 or 4 of your different galleries in the same niche. Not a smart marketing plan. But yeah you are making some good points.

I would personally say that is VERY smart marketing.

If i own ALL the listings in any given niche where else is the surfer going to spend their money?

Sure they will no longer be uniques but, with 20 galleries in the gay niche i feel pretty certain that after visiting all my galleries for 20 different paysites using different content on each one they would end up buying a membership to one of MY sponsors lol

I could put in a catch that prevents the same account from running more than 5 active spots of the exact same niche at the same time. Do you see any other potential abuse possibilities? Thanks

That also could work I guess. It's alot like PPC(god I feel like an idiot cause I keep comparing this to PPC engines). You bid more on a top keyword to get more traffic(and of course get more money) in a shorter period of time.

Of course just like PPC this will pretty much weed the little guy out. I'd make this strictly for gallery traffic if that wasn't the plan already. Keep the little guys building TGP's and getting their money from selling spots, you do the filtering and let the gallery spot buyers convert it.

Yes, i will just sign up for more than one account when you instigate the instance above ;)

Yes but from my perspective this is a good thing. I would have a regular buyer who I could count on keeping that niche supplied with good galleries. The TGPs have a good variety of galleries in that niche. The only person I see not liking this is the guy who wants to buy a spot in that exact same category. Not to say he does not matter, but if someone is willing to pay more for the traffic than he is, well that is just business. I am not going to lower the price for him just to be nice guy. Whoever brings the most money to the table is what matters. I don't mean to sound greedy. But this is just simple math. I mean who will not send their traffic to the sponsor that pays them the most?

Not only is it good for you, but some competition will spark some innovation. Forcing people to pick different and very specific niches is a good way to convert more surfers and ultimately put more profit back into the industry.

This guy also happens to be the next PK or the Next Hun etc.

They go bashing you and your traffic system on the boards telling everyone how you are selling traffic but the same person / company uses up all the galleries in any given niche that they wanted to post in in effect, making your system and, its traffic useless.

At the same time, after he (or she) has posted this same message on virtually every adult webmaster message board going you lose a lot of the smaller guys business who only want to buy one or two spots a month or perhaps the one time buyers that want to start buying traffic for the first time but, because they read this guys message they go elsewhere for their traffic needs.

Now, on the flip side of the coin, you have someone who wants to do exactly the same as i am but they want to do it to put me out of business, so, they start paying $10 per k, well, 10 bucks per k is to much for me to spend each day, you lose MY business at the same time you lost the potential business of all the webmasters the guy who couldnt get traffic because i had all the spots taken. Also, once the guy who is paying $10 per k realizes i am no longer submitting my galleries in your system, he stops paying and, well, you start off at square one again.

How does that saying go, 20% of the people tell 80% of the people?

As i say, just my thoughts on the matter and i am pretty sure that once i have actually thought the method over some more i could find some other ways to scam the traffic and use it to my own benefit whilst abusing your system for money.

Dude, I really think you are reading much more into this than is there. I plan on making the base price $200 per mill, which is $100 cheaper than it is now. So in effect unless the niche has more than 10 active spots in it, it will be cheaper. I really don't think and I sure as hell hope that not many guys will spend a lot of time trying to manipulate a system to save a few pennies.

But at the same time, if he doesn't put any competition on prices there will eventually be 1000 people buying the same niche at the same time and there just won't be enough traffic being distributed fast enough to be worth the spot buyers time. Every system innevitably collapses if you don't throw a major change in when needed.

I say go for it, you can always change it if it gets out of hand but this is a well maintained system with strict rules. I doubt there'll be much cheating going on, there's too much at stake. It's not like firing up a hitbot and generating hits to a site on a russian free host.

I most likely am bro lol

However, in todays volatile market place in adult anything is possible and the long term effects of anything that affects how i do business needs to be planned out as i say im not knocking your system in any way just airing my thoughts on the matter.

Anyway on that note im gonna call it a night ive finished up half a case of bud and im not even light headed yet.

However the system goes i hope it does as well for you as your prior traffic successes have been.

Have a good one chocker :Graucho

If someone posted on any BBS that they can't buy spots in a niche from me because someone else has them all, I really doubt anyone would not buy traffic from me again because of this. If anything the person posting that would be riduculed. And I am for sure not the type of person that does things worrying about what others will say about it. LOL.

hey Choker, a bit off topic, but i had a quick question for you. movie galleries - do they still have to be modified to your rules, or can i buy mass traffic from you to send out to less agressive (tgp compliant) movie galls now? thanks...

Yeah man I appreciate your input. You are showing me to the extreme what can go wrong. I tend to not take into consideration cheaters when I make programs. I have made this mistake too many times in the past. All your input is very helpfull. Thanks

Still single imbedded only. This model works better in so many ways it is not even funny.

okay, thanks...

I have always wondered how much traffic Choker has for sale. So Choker .. how much traffic do you have for sale ?

I mean if decided to give you $3k would you give me 10 million gallery visitors? would you .... or can you do higher volume than that ?

I have very little gallery traffic in some categories, decent amounts in others http://chickentraffic.com/cttsv2/web...s2.php?tt=gal_
I am hoping the variable pricing will even things out. Only thing is that GS3 I will not sell spots from all categories. Only about 150 or so.

Hmm,

While I don't pretend to understand the complexities of all of the chickentraffic systems, I feel this will serve to further confuse clients.

I buy from as well as sell to these systems, and I also fully support supply and demand pricing structures as evidenced by my current in-demand European countries pricing.

However, as I understand it, a client will deposit $X amount of dollars, without a clear indication of how far this money will take them in their promotion?

I don't think people will understand nor be as willing to basically gamble their investment on uncertain pricing structure. A small change could mean the difference between a campaign success or failure.

On the other hand, some people have a firm grasp as to how to make money consistently with this traffic, and it won't matter one whit.

IMO, whether you implement this system or not, I will personally continue to spread my promotions as far across the chickentraffic network as possible, which I feel will minimize impact, if any.

There's my :2 cents: :)

I only read the first 1/3 of this thread because 'Stud Money`s' banality started to really annoy me... but this seems very similar to google.com PPC - I think its competitive and profitable, and not really any different for ME to buy traffic from galleryspots.com-

I hope to buy much more in the near future, btw.

Remind me again exactly who you are?

Choker asked for opinions which i gave, end of story :2 cents: