Bush Should Be Impeached? Y or N?
 

Gotta get an arguement on somehow... need that 1000th post!

What are the specific offences that the President has committed that meet the Constitution's requirements for impeachment?

All of'em? :)

Yeah, what DamageX said.

What fucking ever.

I don't mean to defend Bush...... But can someone tell me what Bush has done wrong? Don't like some of his policies, decisions, or actions that he has taken? Too fucking bad. You can say that about every president since Washington.

When Clinton was in office everyone bashed him. When Bush Sr. was in office.... Everyone bashed him. And so on.

Every president makes decisions, right or wrong, for better or for worse, because of reasons that the smartest people on this board could not begin to understand.

I'm just glad we have a president who has the balls to go war over what he belives is right - Instead of Clinton who floundered for eight years, or his daddy (Bush Sr.) who failed to finish the job the first time.

Just don't re-elect the guy. Problem solved.

you have the power to sort it. Don't vote for him.....

You should start a poll.

You should start a poll

:1orglaugh

bush is always cool in my book

Bush is a War Criminal!

Agreed. If we get a second pres in there, it'll almost be like a clean slate with the international community. Granted they'll still think we're the ignorant fat bastards who drive SUV's - but hey at least we'd get a second chance at diplomacy with the world.

werd

no

Well....

Since ya asked...

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AND OTHER NAMED OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE COMMITTED IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES OF UNPRECEDENTED DANGER TO THE CONSTITUTION AND PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES.

Draft Articles of Impeachment of President George W. Bush and other named officials of the United States charge the most serious crimes known to law and history. Nothing in the experience of the impeachment power under the Constitution compares. The conduct charged threatens the Constitution, the United Nations, the rule of law and the lives of unknown thousands, or millions of people by their act and example.

The alleged impeachable acts of President George W. Bush include:

1. Ordering and directing "first strike" war of aggression against Afghanistan causing thousands of deaths; (This could be excluded. Afghanistan had it comming.)

2. Removing the government of Afghanistan by force and installing a government of his choice;

3. Authorizing daily intrusions into Iraqi airspace and aerial attacks including attacks on alleged defense installations in Iraq which have killed hundreds of people in time of peace;

4. Authorizing, ordering and condoning attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties are unavoidable;

5. Threatening the use of nuclear weapons and ordering preparation for their use;

6. Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently proclaiming his personal intention to change its government by force;

7. Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, murder, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners;

8. Authorizing, ordering and condoning violations of rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eight Amendments to the Constitution and of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and other international protections of human rights;

9. Authorizing, directing and condoning bribery and coercion of individuals and governments to obtain his war ends;

10. Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda and concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment to create a climate of fear and hatred and destroy opposition to his war goals.

President Bush is accused of Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. No crimes are greater threats to the Constitution of the United States, the United Nation Charter, the rule of law or the future of humanity.

Gee, now that I think about it I woulda done the same thing.

Naw... me, I woulda just nuked the bastards and called it a day.

Well, let's look at Clinton. They went postal trying to get him impeached all because he got a blow job.

Bush on the other hand has engaged in global warfare killing who knows how many people and his business associates are making money hand over fist.

Shows you where America's heads are at. Always up someone's crotch while their asses are open to the dogs.

However impeachment is not taking it far enough.

Bush has violated the Geneva Convention for the attack on Iraq.

UN Resolutions were working, the process was working and Bush violated the Geneva Convention with his action of "Aggression".

Bush needs to be handed over to the United Nations and imprisoned next to Milosovich.

The United Nations is the world respected governing council and is certainly not an organisation to shirk such as this dumb American President has.

I hope the UN Makes the US eat it, every penny.

balance in politics is a good thing, but some of you on the far left scare me.

With the approval of Congress and the people...not an impeachable offense.

With the approval of Congress and the people...not an appeachable offense.

Attempting to maintain the agreements made by a defeated ememy that were agreed to in a cease fire/truce...not an impeachable offense.

Even if it were true...war is war and civilians are killed in every war...by accident and by intention...is not an impeachable offence.

Nukes were considered in the Korean Conflict...the Vietnam Conflict...the first Gulf War...and the last Gulf War...the use of nukes are a military option...not an impeachable offence.

With the approval of Congress and the people...not an impeachable offence.

Even if everything stated were true it would be a virtual impossibility to prove...so even if he were impeached...he would not be convicted in the Senate.

Even if everything stated about the Amendments were true...once again virtually unprovable...legally arugueable...and even if he were impeached the Senate would not convict. As for the rest...these are not impeachable offences.

Once again virtually unprovable...legally argueable...and if he were impeached...once again the Senate would not convict.

Once again virtually unprovable...legally argueable...and if he were impeached the Senate would not convict.

He is not accused by the only authority that counts and that is the House of Representatives...all other accusers are immaterial.

What 'world respected governing council' are you talkin' bout willis??

The U.N. stands for 'Unnecessary Numbskulls'. They're so busy propogating superstitious left wing idiocy they had to flee outta baghdad the minute the heat was on.

House of Representatives are in Bushes pocket dude, of course they won't prosecute.

Damn Bush could prolly rape a bitch on the White House front yard and shoot his own guards and the House of Representives would look the other way.

As far the people are concerned...

Well, the people are just fucking stupid for the most part and are intentionally kept stupid.

So Mr. Bush has himself a free ride for sure all at our expense.

How nice...

I hear Fascism knocking on the door.

I hate politicians.

But seriously...if we vote them in, then we need to take blame.

Gray Davis just gets re-elected after it was obvious that he was just a talker, and took major cash from electric industry...yet immediately they want him kicked out?

If you didn't know Bush was a complete moron when you voted for him, then you deserve what you get.

I think it is getting to the point where every elected official will have someone trying to impeach him soon.

So why are the US still trying to get a new resolution from the UN, or worst why did they use their VETO ( remember how bad this was when it was the French & the Germans) to block a UN resolution condemning Israel ( today)????

US are still sitting there....

wasn't the election rigged by Jeb?

Let's vote him off the island!

You don't really believe that, do you? You sound like Bush's Parrot. The United Nations are idiots? The entire world is stupid and the US is smart? You really believe that propaganda?

uP

In all seriousness all it will take is for Bush to get elected again.

If that happens rich and powerful people will move in citing the corrupt government and bring the United States to a Civil War.

Early removal of Bush from the Office would certainly restore People of Americas confidence, and world confidence in our system of government. Our laws and rights are being butchered (Daily).

Just know that a Government is nothing more than a "compromise" in the way of true freedom.
A Governments only motive is to compromise and recompromise that inate freedom during its reign in the name of "Protection" and "The collective effort".

Our sytem is broken. Today we see our effort and our compromise being used unwisely, it is isolating us, turning us against one another with intention.

Is the system working?

My answer is no.

One opinion...here is another...my answer is yes...in the sense of being SNAFU. Nothing new with this.

I don't trust the U.N. It's fulla puppet heads to gangsters.

Everything Bush said is stupid, infantile and sounds like a redneck! Ok, there is no problem - you love your president, but the problem is that his decision influences over wide range of nations. And I don't think going to war is a big deal, especially if you're going against defenceless and poor countries. :2 cents:

exactly .. our country put him in office and now they all bash him ... I don't agree with everything he has done .. but he is our fucking leader .. so i got his back.. he bares a responsibilty no one can even begin to understand

I guess mostly I don't like the fact that he can't eat a bag of preztles without getting a black eye.

Remember, Clinton wasn't impeached for getting a blowjob. He was impeached for lying to an official investigation when asked if he got a blowjob. Lying to the entire country about why we were going to war sounds worse.

So, one way to get rid of Bush is to demand an investigation of the lies that got us into the war, and the war crimes committed during it. That way, you can get him on those "high crimes", or the "misdemeanor" of lyging to an investigation.

Like someone said, though, the best option is just to get behind a candidate who can beat him next time, so he doesn't come back.

The US stands up for itself and other nations, where the UN makes resolutions that it doesnt enforce. i think 9years was enough time for saddam to fix his shit. its his problem he did not.

Try 12 years.

1) Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Who cares if he got a hummer in the oval office.

2) The business associated of the President (and other elected officials) always make money hand over fist. Why else would they spend such incredible amounts of money trying to get their guy elected.

3) What the hell does that mean? "heads up someone's ass while their asses are open to the dogs". Please put the crack pipe down and try to put together a coherent sentence.

President's (and everyone else) are allowed to lie. It's not against the law to tell a lie in most cases. However, if you are under oath in front of our Nation's Judicial system and lie that's a different story all together.

The President lying under oath is the ultimate slap in the face. He showed total disrespect for our Judicial system. He could have always pleaded the 5th and not said anything.

Impeached......... No

For Crimes against humanity....... I suggest the Electric Chair.........

if we knock Bush out, any good candidate for next election?

it's just that War in Irag and Afghanistan came in his time of presidency and making such policies for the benefit of the US citizens and it s allies has prompted anti-war sentiments from different groups all over. the same goes to the case of Toni Blair.

lol, this thread is fun.

Impeach him? No.

Vote his sorry ass out next election? Hell yes.

Ah, my first wittry retort to another throwback quip.

1.) That's not what I said. If YOU are going to quote, why don't YOU put down the crack pipe before YOU try to put together an INCHOHERENT, INACCURATE quote.

2.) Don't use a translator with my posts then. Babblefish doesn't have an " English to Asswipese " option. You probably used some cheesy translator software that didn't take into consideration that some languages require TWO main hemispheres of the brain as well as associative neural material.

3.) If you keep insulting people we're gonna tell your mom and she'll make you wash your computer out with soap.

What is the National Debt since Bush took over? What was the debt, if any when Clinton was in office.

Anyhoo, do not elect Bush, he is gonna come after adult at some point, and if he gets as second term, he will gain more of a focus to complete this goal.

This...

and then this, from Michael Moore's recent newsletter.

Any questions?


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Three Easy Pieces for Any Decent American (from Michael Moore)
September 15, 2003

There are many otherwise decent Americans who are either still on the fence about George W. Bush or they actually profess to like the man. They are the ones who make up the 58% approval ratings and the 64% who say they still believe the war was a good idea. You know these people well. They work next to you, or they sit in the classroom next to you, or they may even be sitting at your kitchen table right now!

I think that we need to hold out a hand to them, not in a partisan sort of way, and not with any condescension. I think that if we share with them a few pieces of information, and do it with common sense instead of politics, there is a chance we just might break through and turn things around. Perhaps it's my foolish optimism in the goodness that is in every person, and in their ability to ultimately know right from wrong.

I would like to give you three little vignettes to share with them. They are so simple and so shocking in their very content that, if you pass them around the office, the school, the neighborhood or the bedroom, it may just do the trick. Here they are:

1. GEORGE AND LAURA ON 9/11 -- A BARREL OF LAUGHS!

The following is an interview with the First Couple from the current issue of one of my favorite magazines, Ladies Home Journal (Oct. '03). They are asked about what September 11, 2001, was like for them personally, and, although over 3,000 people had just perished, George W. was able to find some humor by the end of that day:

Peggy Noonan (the interviewer): You were separated on September 11th. What was it like when you saw each other again?

Laura Bush: Well, we just hugged. I think there was a certain amount of security in being with each other than being apart.

George W. Bush: But the day ended on a relatively humorous note. The agents said, "you'll be sleeping downstairs. Washington's still a dangerous place." And I said no, I can't sleep down there, the bed didn't look comfortable. I was really tired, Laura was tired, we like our own bed. We like our own routine. You know, kind of a nester. I knew I had to deal with the issue the next day and provide strength and comfort to the country, and so I needed rest in order to be mentally prepared. So I told the agent we're going upstairs, and he reluctantly said okay. Laura wears contacts, and she was sound asleep. Barney was there. And the agent comes running up and says, "We're under attack. We need you downstairs," and so there we go. I'm in my running shorts and my T-shirt, and I'm barefooted. Got the dog in one hand, Laura had a cat, I'm holding Laura --

Laura Bush: I don't have my contacts in , and I'm in my fuzzy house slippers --

George W. Bush: And this guy's out of breath, and we're heading straight down to the basement because there's an incoming unidentified airplane, which is coming toward the White House. Then the guy says it's a friendly airplane. And we hustle all the way back up stairs and go to bed.

Mrs. Bush: [LAUGHS] And we just lay there thinking about the way we must have looked.

Peggy Noonan (interviewer): So the day starts in tragedy and ends in Marx Brothers.

George W. Bush: THAT'S RIGHT-- WE GOT A LAUGH OUT OF IT!

(end)

Although America had just suffered the worst attack ever on our own soil, somehow this man was able to end his day on a funny note. I wonder how many of the 3,000 families who lost someone earlier that day had a funny ending before they went to sleep? Please read the above exchange aloud to anyone who will listen. It speaks volumes.

2. WE HAVE JUST WRECKED OUR KIDS' FUTURE.

The first paragraph in yesterday's New York Times story on how Bush has taken a record surplus and demolished it into a record deficit was one of the best lead paragraphs I have ever read in a newspaper article.

Here's how it went:

"When President Bush informed the nation last Sunday night that remaining in Iraq next year will cost another $87 billion, many of those who will actually pay that bill were unable to watch. They had already been put to bed by their parents."

Bingo. Gee, I hope the kids thank us some day!

Here's the next paragraph (my emphasis added):

"Administration officials acknowledged the next day that every dollar of that cost will be BORROWED, a loan that economists say will be repaid by the NEXT generation of taxpayers AND THE GENERATION AFTER THAT. The $166 BILLION cost of the work SO FAR in Iraq and Afghanistan, which has stunned many in Washington, will be added to what was already the largest budget deficit the nation has ever known."

Every conservative friend of yours should weep when they read that, and then you should hug them and tell them that it'll be okay, once we all do what we need to do.

3. WHAT WOULD $87 BILLION BUY?

If you can't get through this list without wanting to throw up, I'll understand. But pass it around anyway. This is the nail in the Iraq War's coffin for any sane, thinking individual, regardless of their political stripe (thanks to TomPaine.com and the Center for American Progress)...

To get some perspective, here are some real-life comparisons about what $87 billion means:

$87 Billion Is More Than The Combined Total Of All State Budget Deficits In The United States.

The Bush administration proposed absolutely zero funds to help states deal with these deficits, despite the fact that their tax cuts drove down state revenues. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87 Billion Is Enough To Pay The 3.3 Million People Who Have Lost Jobs Under George W. Bush $26,363 Each!

The unemployment benefits extension passed by Congress at the beginning of this year provides zero benefits to "workers who exhausted their regular, state unemployment benefits and cannot find work." All told, two-thirds of unemployed workers have exhausted their benefits. [Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities]

$87 Billion Is More Than DOUBLE The Total Amount The Government Spends On Homeland Security.

The U.S. spends about $36 billion on homeland security. Yet, Sen. Warren Rudman (R-N.H.) wrote "America will fall approximately $98.4 billion short of meeting critical emergency responder needs" for homeland security without a funding increase. [Source: Council on Foreign Relations]

$87 Billion Is 87 Times The Amount The Federal Government Spends On After School Programs.

George W. Bush proposed a budget that reduces the $1 billion for after-school programs to $600 million -- cutting off about 475,000 children from the program. [Source: The Republican-dominated House Appropriations Committee]

$87 Billion Is More Than 10 Times What The Government Spends On All Environmental Protection.

The Bush administration requested just $7.6 billion for the entire Environmental Protection Agency. This included a 32 percent cut to water quality grants, a 6 percent reduction in enforcement staff, and a 50 percent cut to land acquisition and conservation. [Source: Natural Resources Defense Council]

There you go. In black and white. A few million of you will receive this letter. Please share the above with at least a half-dozen people today and tomorrow. I, like you, do not want to see another approval rating over 50%.

Yours,
Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
[email protected]

PS. Thanks for the astounding response to the Wesley Clark letter (and for your kind comments to me). Over 95% of the thousands of letters received favored the General tossing his helmet in the ring. All were passed on to his organization. More to come on the road to removing Bush...