Anti Davis
 

Ok seen a few hundred if not thousand threads on this and why you should allow a moron into office.

So spill it here. I want real facts of real things Davis did.

You want some new guy to get in.
You do not mind turning CA into a constant campaign state.
You are ok with less people firing our leader than people who went out and put him into office in the first place. Many of which were not even registered to vote until a minute before they signed the recall letter.

So come on, facts. Lets see what ya got?

Seems like a pretty shitty situation to me. The guy won an election just a year ago, then somebody decides they want a recall? Where were they to vote the first time around?

Seems like this sets a really bad precedence...

I don't think people realize how ridiculous this really looks.

Sly the recall is constitutional in theory (state). Fucked up though that you can be elected by the majority of people who actually voted. Then fired by twelve percent of that number who are lied to or harrassed at a local fair or supermarket to register and sign the recall.

Shhh!!! nobody say who funded the recall effort nor when it first started.

OK, OK! This is the last time I will post this. :-)

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 2 VOTING, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, AND RECALL


SEC. 14. (a) Recall of a state officer is initiated by delivering
to the Secretary of State a petition alleging reason for recall.
Sufficiency of reason is not reviewable. Proponents have 160 days to
file signed petitions.
(b) A petition to recall a statewide officer must be signed by
electors equal in number to 12 percent of the last vote for the
office, with signatures from each of 5 counties equal in number to 1
percent of the last vote for the office in the county. Signatures to
recall Senators, members of the Assembly, members of the Board of
Equalization, and judges of courts of appeal and trial courts must
equal in number 20 percent of the last vote for the office.
(c) The Secretary of State shall maintain a continuous count of
the signatures certified to that office.


The "precedent" was set a over 100 years ago, actually!

Nobody is questioning the states constitution sperbonzo, I am very aware of it and all parties acknowledge it. Despite it being a 100 year old law that was never used in real life.

Well...actually he cannot be fired by 12%...it will take one vote more than 50%...to fire him.

Well...actually I believe that it has been...multiple times (I could be wrong)...but never got enough signatures before...to be applicable.

My bad, your right 12% to make him run again and cost the state another 40-60 mil or so.

It has been attempted but never resulted in one. Thus still a 100 year old never used law.

Just cause the cops charge ya with spitting on sunday, and they drop the case, does not mean the law has been tested yet.

Where are all you Davis haters, hello?

I think that is what I said.

yeah, not arguing with you. Nothing you have said in this thread is wrong yet.

The real problem with the California deficit began with Pete Wilson (former Governor and Republican) when deregulation of the utility suppliers was encouraged and enacted by him...and the lack of building new utility suppliers. Davis came into office and because of deregulation...Enron was basically allowed to steal California blind. This caused businesses to migrate away from California...loss of jobs...loss of State revenue etc.

Davis has taken the hit because he was at the helm when the shit came down...and is blamed for his lack of action, or his actions, rightfully, or wrongfully, depending upon ones viewpoint.

Add in dot com bubble burst, downward US overal economy, and the tiny fact that the recal started within days of him taking office paid for by a certain party and you got it.

Still where are all the pro whomever, Davis haters?

don't expect to see them, they have no facts. You should request that only people from CA participate however, as I know I could care less the opinion of someone from OR, FL or Canada,

Wow. This thread actually gives me a shred of hope.

I do not care if they live in CA, if they have facts lets here them.

I am born, raised, and live in CA though.

Secretly, and sometimes without goverment-issued travel permits, some people actually MOVE from one state to another!

(sorry, didn't mean to let the cat out of the bag like that!)

I thought so, not a single one eh.

Gray Davis has cut school funding when government waste should be cut first.

This weekend while at the local bi-yearly flea market , my daughter's HIGH SCHOOL CAREER CENTER was selling at the fleamarket for FUNDING to keep it open.

I have to PAY to go to my daughter's MUSIC concerts because of funding cuts.

cough

hey, do us a favor, if you do not like it here, stay out. There is nothing for you, no resaon to move here at all.

get your facts straight. Davis does not write the checks. How do you figure he cut the funding?

Actually, I lived in SoCal for over 12 years, but hey....the important thing here is that you're not bitter about it!!!:1orglaugh

I'll step in with a few things here...Gray Davis' platform was based on not raising taxes. Davis lied about the magnitude of california's deficit problems. When the truth was finally known about the problem, his response was that in the extreme crisis taxes would have to be raised aggressively to battle it (that's the democrat way). Don't you remember some of the email and internet taxes that were being proposed by him???? Do you realize how much commercial space is taxed in california? California has some of the highest taxes were business is concerned...that drove businesses out of Ca. I will admit that pete wilson did a number on the energy thing, but davis didn't do shit to stop it and I wouldn't be surprised if he benefited from it either.

Additionally, and this is just an example...I'm not necessarily for arnold to early to tell...but Arnie made off his most recent movie roughly the same amount of money that davis spent on his campaign...I know where arnie gets his cash...what about davis?

Its hard to objectively solve the problems of a battered state when you've got to repay campaign contributuions through your legislative actions.

Also, bustamonte is now funneling non profit funds into his campaign...do a little research on the take Davis has regarding workers comp. I'm not a party politics guy...demo or repub...I can't align with one...but I think the bulk of cali's problems are financial...I want warren buffet in there to get some shit done...if that man can't be trusted to get our money on track no one can...

McClintCock is on track on the issues he has a solid campaign, but he's too conservative for me...the fact that he's running is a shame because a vote for him is basically a vote for bustamante, which will fuck us for sure...gray/bustamante want to regulate the price of gas in CA...do you realize what that could do? In a free market the laws of supply and demand rule and equate everything...if we get regulated we won't pay higher than x amount for our gas...although since no one will sell it to us anyway we won't have to worry about that...their ideas are cock eyed. If Bustamante takes it we're fucked for sure...

At least Buffet comes in the Schwarzenegger package...

You're high...

not bitter at all, am glad you left. and gee, 12 whole years? you must be some kind of expert in CA politics then.

What facts ? Please enlighten me as to why teachers are being fired and school programs are being dropped left and right since Davis has been in office.

Wow.. I am impressed..

:Graucho

how about the fact that Davis does not make the budgets, and only 10% of the monies spent are discretionary.

As far as what he said the state of the financial situation was when he was running, he was going on what the state treasurer said,

Because voters will not approve school tax bonds.

10% is correct and the rest is prespent.


To other poster.
As for schools why do you not ask the state congress where all the lottery money is, thats why we passed it isnt it?

Davis took over with a budget surplus...increased spending outrageously...and now there's no more money...and now he proposes taxes as an answer?

I will bet anyone here that if arnold is elected and there is a third party audit of the states books...there are major scandals unveiled.

First, the new govenor does not get to see the actual real budget and state spending until after he/she is in office. When he ran with his planned budget and no additional taxes he had false info provided by another party. Reality did not hit until he got the real figures.

Davis tried to get federal help and price caps on the energy raping. Mr. Bush said nope. Funny how he wants to help those other states with grid issues now eh?

Arnie is also meeting with lobyists ect. Said he wouldnt, no special interests ect.

Should read projected budget surplus. Ya know the same thing Mr. Bush had.

Any third party audit would just cost the state shit loads and would find what everyone knows. Everyone is crooked.

http://www.wired.com/news/school/0,1383,57193,00.html

"With a budget shortfall that could surpass $30 billion, Davis recently proposed a 2003-2004 budget that includes one of the deepest education cuts in the state's history -- a $5.2 billion reduction in K-12 funding over the next 18 months. "



http://www.edweek.org/ew/newstory.cfm?slug=21calif.h21
http://www.examiner.com/news/default...ry=n.edu.0110w


http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...1_22.cuts.html


http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...2.sequoia.html

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/5283797.htm

Gee why are all the papers saying the cuts are from GRAY DAVIS's PACKAGES




Damn,

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...063671375&sign[partnerID]=1&sign[memberID]=226632550&sign[partner_userID]=226632550

So if Davis has nothing to do with California's spending, would you care to discuss prop 187? It was a long time ago I know...

Prop 187 which proposed to stop giving tax payer money to public health services and education for illegal immagrants...it was passed by 5 million voters...59%.


Care to take that one...do you have any idea what Davis did there?


Let me enlighten you...Davis and a single Judge overturned that decision...1999...not a single voter got to say anything about that...much less the 5 million that passed it in the first place. Remember that one? Convieniently forget?

I think that money would've helped alot of children get a decent edication. If someone wants to immigrate to to california, which has the highest percentage of illegal immigrants, I have no problem. Let them follow the laws that were set forth, and get themselves in line to be taxed like the rest of us.

it is nice to see someone that actually knows what they are talking about.

This whole energy thing, being blamed on Davis is nuts. He tried to get the feds involved, but since Enron is (was) based out of TX, it is easy to see why Bush told us to dump our strict environmental laws, or build plants in fucking Mexico. Of course, he did suggest we go back to coal also.

Well said dude:thumbsup

I am not bitching about energy. Education is my bitch about Davis.



Ummm.. Anyone know off the top of their head who was in office when driver's training was stopped at the schools

Wilson

Anyone?

Alright...I can't listen to this...i'm going home...

Before I respond did you read those articles?

ummm, what makes you think illegal immigrants do not pay taxes? If anything they probably pay a higher percentage than we do since they do not file tax returns and get what they overpaid in their withholding tax back.

obviously not

Sorry hoax, was reading those links.

Ok we should just allow any law that is unconstitutional to be inacted because it may help people?

By the way it was striped by restraining orders from all sides on those pesky constitutional grounds.

And personally I am sorry but a state should not have to pay for what the US congress should be paying for. Specially a state like CA where it is disporportional in alien numbers to most others.

I would not expect a damn dime out of a tax payers pocket to pay for non US citizen support, even if it is to help the children.

I may be somewhat supporting you in part of that.

Off topic but yes California should just have a sales tax and no income tax. Sorry though the Govenor can not change that.

Nearly everything brought up also envolved legislation and other parties.

Davis said we are allowed to be with prescriptions, the feds say we can't.