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DarkJedi 09-15-2003 01:35 PM

How to Win an Argument
 
I argue very well. Ask any of my remaining friends. I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me. You too can win arguments. Simply follow these rules:


Drink liquor

Suppose you are at a party and some hotshot intellectual is expounding on the economy of Peru, a subject you know nothing about. If you're drinking some health-fanatic drink like grapefruit juice, you'll hang back, afraid to display your ignorance, while the hotshot enthralls your date. But if you drink several large martinis, you'll discover you have STRONG VIEWS about the Peruvian economy. You'll be a WEALTH of information. You'll argue forcefully, offering searing insights and possibly upsetting furniture. People will be impressed. Some may leave the room.

Make things up

Suppose, in the Peruvian economy argument, you are trying to prove that Peruvians are underpaid, a position you base solely on the fact that YOU are underpaid, and you'll be damned if you're going to let a bunch of Peruvians be better off. DON'T say: "I think Peruvians are underpaid." Say instead: "The average Peruvian's salary in 1981 dollars adjusted for the revised tax base is $1,452.81 per annum, which is $836..07 before the mean gross poverty level."


NOTE: Always make up exact figures

If an opponent asks you where you got your information, make THAT up too. Say: "This information comes from Dr. Hovel T. Moon's study for the Buford Commission published on May 9, 1982. Didn't you read it?" Say this in the same tone of voice you would use to say, "You left your soiled underwear in my bathroom."


Use meaningless but weighty-sounding words and phrases.

Memorize this list:

Let me put it this way

In terms of

Vis-a-vis

Per se

As it were

Qua

So to speak

You should also memorize some Latin abbreviations such as "Q.E.D.", "e.g.", and "i.e." These are all short for "I speak Latin, and you don't."

Here's how to use these words and phrases. Suppose you want to say, "Peruvians would like to order appetizers more often, but they don't have enough money."

You never win arguments talking like that. But you WILL win if you say, "Let me put it this way. In terms of appetizers vis-a-vis Peruvians qua Peruvians, they would like to order them more often, so to speak, but they do not have enough money per se, as it were. Q.E.D."

Only a fool would challenge that statement.



Use snappy and irrelevant comebacks

You need an arsenal of all-purpose irrelevant phrases to fire back at your opponents when they make valid points. The best are:

You're begging the question.

You're being defensive.

Don't compare apples to oranges.

What are your parameters?

This last one is especially valuable. Nobody (other than engineers and policy wonks) has the vaguest idea what "parameters" means.


Here's how to use your comebacks:

You say: As Abraham Lincoln said in 1873...

Your opponent says: Lincoln died in 1865.

You say: You're begging the question.


You say: Liberians, like most Asians...

Your opponent says: Liberia is in Africa.

You say: You're being defensive.


Compare your opponent to Adolf Hitler

This is your heavy artillery, for when your opponent is obviously right and you are spectacularly wrong. Bring Hitler up subtly. Say, "That sounds suspiciously like something Adolf Hitler might say," or "You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler."

So that's it. You now know how to out-argue anybody. Do not try to pull any of this on people who generally carry weapons.

Ice 09-15-2003 01:38 PM

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X-Wing 09-15-2003 01:48 PM

If your words can not convince use them to confuse.

baddog 09-15-2003 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by X-Wing
If your words can not convince use them to confuse.
I prefer to state it as, "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

X-Wing 09-15-2003 01:57 PM

Nice one baddog, actually I read that in "the art of war" from Sun Tzu, but since I read it in Spanish I don't know the exact translation.

4Pics 09-15-2003 02:21 PM

best way to win is to not get in one to begin with.

or if all else fails use a gun.

baddog 09-15-2003 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by X-Wing
Nice one baddog, actually I read that in "the art of war" from Sun Tzu, but since I read it in Spanish I don't know the exact translation.
I will have to read it again, I do not remember Sun Tzu ever saying if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. But that is what he meant in today's terms.

baddog 09-15-2003 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 4Pics
best way to win is to not get in one to begin with.


what fun would that be?

brand0n 09-15-2003 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog


I prefer to state it as, "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler

Stud Money 09-15-2003 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n


You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler

now you are just arguing the point ;)

Mr. Jim 09-15-2003 03:06 PM

This never fails:

WHATever Man....

Shut the Fuck Up!

Then repeat everytime they say another word

NetRodent 09-15-2003 03:27 PM

This isn't usenet, but I think Godwin's Law still applies.

lakers 09-15-2003 03:33 PM

I heard this one before

Winning an argument is like winning the special olympics :)

The Truth Hurts 09-15-2003 03:36 PM

Do it the Democrat way..
Start insulting the other guy.

Stud Money 09-15-2003 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Do it the Democrat way..
Start insulting the other guy.

You are incorrect.

That is the GFY way :thumbsup

galleryseek 09-15-2003 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent
This isn't usenet, but I think Godwin's Law still applies.
You're trying to compare apples and oranges buddy.

Stud Money 09-15-2003 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by galleryseek


You're trying to compare apples and oranges buddy.

What parameters do you base that statement on?

galleryseek 09-15-2003 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stud Money


What parameters do you base that statement on?

Pffft, sounds like something Hitler would say.

chuk 09-15-2003 04:11 PM

If you can't baffle them with brilliance befuddle them with bullshit.

Stud Money 09-15-2003 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by galleryseek


Pffft, sounds like something Hitler would say.

But Hitler is dead.

Nanda 09-15-2003 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog


I prefer to state it as, "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

:thumbsup

baddog 09-15-2003 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n


You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler

I have better hair

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