Site to impeach George Bush rocks!
 

Ok I saw some ads around for the "Vote to Impeach Bush" movement.. so I looked up their site. Amazing!!
( http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ )

They've had a full page ad in the New York Times, and other big publications, and are really pushing the impeachment of Bush.

On the home page of their is a link to add the "Impeach Bush" button to your site with a hotlink to their site.

If you feel strongly about Bush and where he's leading the country, do something about it. Vote to impeach him on this site and put a link to this site on any site you run. We can make a difference!

Won't happen, he'll prolly end up getting re elected

I hope he doesn't get re-elected. Life for the adult industry would REALLY suck then!

and the rest of the world....

Man it'd kick ass for you. You foreigners would get control of all the hardcore(and probably eventually softcore) stuff.

he won't get impeached, he has done nothing that warrants impeachment, regardless of whether or not you approve of him as a president.

if you don't want him to get re-elected, get off your lazy ass and vote next time

I do not know everything about American affairs, but from what I hear the Patriot Act goes somewhat against your Consitution, does it not?

Cluck

Man it'd kick ass for you. You foreigners would get control of all the hardcore(and probably eventually softcore) stuff.

I'm not a foreigner.. I'm an American from California living in Australia on a student Visa while I get my masters in MIS.

I voted Democrat last election and will do so again this election even though it seems we have a bunch of losers running so far. ANYTHING but Bush.

Living overseas I can tell you first hand how people here and in Asia think of him. They think he's the worst leader we've ever had and they feel for the American people and think we don't know any better than what we're told. I can't help but to think they are right about the majority of us. I hope things change and the media starts calling him on his shit.

How are you finding life in Australia compared to the USA?

Ask the 5-4 (leans to the right) Supreme Court that question. They are apparently the final and conclusive expert on that question.

it is obvious that you don't know anything about American affairs, so a quick lesson.

The president does not make laws, Congress does. There are 2 parts of the Congress, the Senate and the House of Representatives. Both Houses have to pass a law, then it is presented to the president who can either sign it, veto it, or shelve it. If he signs it, it becomes law. If he vetoes it, it doesn't. If he shelves it (does not sign or veto it) it will eventually become law by default.

Now, some laws are unconstitutional, but in order for them to be declared unconstitutional the Supreme Court would have to rule on it, meaning first someone would have to be arrested and convicted under the new law, then they would have to appeal it, and still be found guilty, and then the case can be heard by the Supreme Court and the constitutionality of it decided.

In summary, Bush did not just come up with the Patriot Act, so he can not be impeached because of it.

The Constitution deals with the subject of impeachment and conviction at six places. The scope of the power is set out in Article II, Section 4:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

So, what grounds for impeachment do you know of?

Baddog,

That's an excellent summary. I admire good description.
Were you a teacher in another life?

well, I was going to become an instructor at one time before the company went to self paced courses.

I said I do not know a great deal about the happenings in America, but was merely expressing what I heard. Obviously though, Bush does not have the powers of a dictator, and although I dislike him (for many reasons) I accept what you said.

Personally though, I think deMOCKracy is becoming a joke. Anyone who thinks the 'people' rule America (and other such nations - i.e. Australia, France, etc) are ignorant. Those few who are rich and powerful control us all. It is sad, but true.

the people have never ruled anywhere, that would be anarchy. The only reason the rich and powerful hold the control is because the commonn man is too fucking lazy to get off his ass and study to see what politician actually thinks the most like them, and then vote for them,

I can assure you that if we had 80-90% voter turnouts during our elections things would be a lot different. However, since people don't vote, the politicians must believe that the people are satisfied with what they do, because if they were not, they would most certainly vote them out of office. Right?

It does not matter if you are talking the Congress, union local, PTA, or Pop Warner . . . . elected officials are going to think everything is groovy until people start making enough noise (ie: vote) to make them think otherwise.

A century ago many people had the same critiques that people do today. You can really get ancient and read Plato. He had some of the same critiques of Democracy that are popular today something like 2400 years ago.

In the past two centuries there has been a meteoric rise of
liberal democratic states in the world. From 3 in 1790 to many dozens today (at least 60).

What are the alternatives to representative government? It's one thing to say that a system is not perfect but quite another to propose a viable alternative.

To anyone that thinks democracy hasn't improved and become more egalitarian in the past few centuries, I ask whether you'd like to go back to a world where there was a denial of the right to vote to women and minorites or whether you'd like to go back to a world where slavery was popular. I don't.

The union will fall, into 50 separate countries.

I thought you can only impeach the president and not a dictator!?!

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Maybe if everyone had state pride.

"Florida RULES!"

"Florida sucks. Georgia rules!"

"No way, Georgia is a bunch of hillbillies"

"Hillbillies? Ever heard of Atlanta?"

"Nothing bunch a peanut farmers"

"Peanut farmers? bah! Disney World sucks compared to Six flags, by the way."

"Fuck you"

"No, fuck you"

#Jeb Bush declares war on Georgia.

Can't see it happening. People are more interested in their football teams beating each other than their states.

Neither do I. But to say we can't do better is absurd.

I agree with Colin. Every US citizen alive in the US today has lived their whole life as an American.

We have a lot of faith in our "Constitution based Federal Republic". The balance of power allows our system to fix imperfections and un-fix fixes that didn't work properly.

It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to continue to improve.

Will the EU ever be able to form a Federal Republic? Will they speak with one voice? Will their military act with one voice?

Who ever claimed it was perfect? There's always room for improvement.

Of course I wouldn't and didn't say anything like that. For starters we can convert the rest of the non-liberal democracies to consensual governments. For enders, what is "better"? How do we know what better is?

What is the goal of government? To make some people happy? To make a majority of people sort-of happy? To make some people really happy, some people sort-of happy, and only a small minority really unhappy?

Check this out:
Of course, during this whole time, we were fighting an increasingly losing battle, to control and accomodate and soothe a larger and larger, more and more complex community. We were trying to take responsibility for, now, the behavior and mores of over 800 people a week, connecting from almost 30 countries of the world. We were frustrated, many of the players were frustrated; the center could not hold.

put down the lighter and step away from the pipe. WTF are you talking about?

Yeah I have been a big fan of the site for quite some time. Here are some othere interesting sites.

http://www.house.gov/appropriations_...ughtonfilm.htm
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16274

rotfl, what?

He has done about 50 things wrong that warrent impeachment. Like a deer caught in the headlights the multitude of ways it can unfold actually thwart the direct attack. But let's see...there's always a constant theme in which we make up for our fear of sex by our excessive obsession with violence. To wit an off-duty blowjob is an impeachable offense. Exporting 3 million high-paying jobs, fabricating evidence to the world, invading a govern country on false pretenses, killing hundreds of Americans and foreign citizens without cause, ignoring ominous warnings of an impending attack on U.S. soil, violating the 4th amendment, building a new heroin Mafia sponsored and sanctioned and funded by the U.S., lining pockets and greasing palms from abuse of executive privilege mean more positions are available for spin doctors.

Monica Lewenski freely choose to suck presidental cock. With Bush it's an obligation, bottom line.

lol.. Maybe that wasn't as articulate as it could have been.

This system of government has been this way for as long as we've all been living. We all know it and believe in it.

The people who's countries form the EU for example, have lived their whole lives not trusting their neighboring countries, etc. (At least not the way we trust our neighboring states). So it will be difficult for them to form a union as strong as ours.

USSR was a strong union, but it didn't make it through a complete generation.

Even though the US is young as a country, is it stronger that most other Unions because it's lasted for so many generations?

Methinks lying about starting a war might just qualify as a high crime. I would say thats just a little bit worse than lying about sex.
The real reason he wont get impeached is because the republicans control congress and the democrats are too cowardly to stand up. Can you imagine what republicans would be saying if clinton or gore pulled this kind of crap?

When can you actually impeach someone?

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Thx for the answer baddog!

And only the congress can impeach the president?
Is there also a way for the president to impeach the congress?

Of was it the senat?

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Check out this book: http://www.mathaba.net/info/gbook.htm. I have read only parts of it so far, but it seems as though a few lessons could be learnt from it.

Muammar Qadhafi writing on the ills of Democracy?

Congress consists of the US Senate and the US House of Representatives.

and no, the President cannot impeach the entire congress, or even any individuals.

I am sure if you did a search on Google you could get a better explanation of the entire impeachment process since I have not been in school for over 30 years

can you think of anyone more qualified? :1orglaugh

Doesn't seem that different from Marx. Of course people see the word socialism and they associate it with the soviets, north koreans, and every other government that TOTALLY contradicts Marxism but gets labeled "Marxism" by the western world.

i can't remember... is it john kerrey or bob kerrey running for pres next round?

no, the real reason he wont get impeached is they wont prove he "lied" within the next 4 years. boohoo for the democrats. too cowardly to stand up you say? seen any of the last few debates on tv? they're hours of bush bashing and name calling. its the democrats who are hypocrites. when will people learn its all a power struggle? bush could save children from a burning bus and the democrats would blame him for starting it. democrats bash the other groups to make theirs look better with hopes to makes it stronger and give them more power. then they get into office and spend all your tax dollars on worthless SHIT. SPENDSPENDSPEND. lets buy illegals raiders jackets and give them anything they f'n want. go watch your cnn and eat your cheese

Oh, no, You're not going to use the ever-vigilant "Marxism has never been tried defense" are you?

Very true but it goes both ways. Republicans are no different.

i think there is a difference. republicans MAINLY base their "bashing" on FACTS rather than speculation.

As long as repubs are in charge they wont even try to prove it. But bush will be finished in little more than a year, not 4. Wait and see, he will lose the upcoming election just like the first one. Except it wont be so close this time and poppys friends wont be able to steal it for him. Bookmark that prediction if you like. As soon as the bookmakers set odds for the election i am going to lay big money against bush, no way he will win.

Like when the Republicans ganged up on Clinton in 1998 and said he was only bombing Iraq to divert attention from his domestic scandal?

As a self-described centrist, I'd have to say that neither the
Republicans nor the Democrats seem to be any more or less guilty of mudslinging than the other.

ill bet $5 against your $5000
i will win and you are wrong
no one running can beat him

Why are you so convinced? The American public hasn't even made up its mind yet. The large majority of Americans are truly undecided and will change their vote back and forth many times between today and election day depending on world events.

Just witness the way polls swing wildly back and forth in response to campaign events. A good example. A great or poor speech at the Republican or Democratic National Conventions can cause a great swing in popular opinion.

There is a large non-committed population out there.

The noise is much greater than the information.

they did that because thats what he did. once all that talk started he backed off and left iraq a mess. if clinton actually wanted to accomplish something in iraq, he would have. not this 1/2 ass bullshit. as far as the republicans vs the democats on mudslinging, the democrats are way worse. they dodge questions about their statements regarding republicans, or only make them in places where they wont be questioned about them. sounds like the dixie chicks to me

Did you mean to say "dixie chicks" or "dirty tricks?"

i said what i meant
they are just like them when you think about it
they say whatever they can to get the applause when they know they wont be challenged.