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08-15-2003, 11:54 AM

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SPEEDS at 40 times faster than T1 speeds right through the electricity of your house. I saw this article a month ago and had to show you guys. Just was watching market channel and they are in talks with every major power company to deploying this. They said you will get it for 20 a month also and pay on your electrical bill.

So not only will it be cheaper it will be thousand times faster than cable or Dsl every will achieve.

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08-15-2003, 11:57 AM

who holds the patent?

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08-15-2003, 11:58 AM

Sounds like a great setup for sniffing your neighbor's packets.

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08-15-2003, 12:00 PM

The technology has been around a while now but is expensive to implement. Great solution for more remote places if local demand is high enough to warrant installation but unlikely (in the near future) to be used in more populated areas.

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08-15-2003, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by the Shemp
who holds the patent?

Don't know the patent but AMPERION is building the device.
Its a wireless plug that plugs into the wall and your whole house is internet ready.

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08-15-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Tipsy
The technology has been around a while now but is expensive to implement. Great solution for more remote places if local demand is high enough to warrant installation but unlikely (in the near future) to be used in more populated areas.

Internet is a Baby. We already need High Speed and even then its still not fast enough. How else are we going to get faster than T1 speeds into the house? This way is the only way I see viable in the future.

With bigger software programs, video and gaming getting more intense its definately a need

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08-15-2003, 12:45 PM

I heard that the first beta customers of this new technology went live last night in the New York area..........apparently it went real well
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08-15-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by D_Nell

Internet is a Baby. We already need High Speed and even then its still not fast enough. How else are we going to get faster than T1 speeds into the house? This way is the only way I see viable in the future.

With bigger software programs, video and gaming getting more intense its definately a need

Certainly. Not denying it's most definately a need. It's been out a few years now though and was too expensive for widespread usage. However as with all things that may be changing or even has changed (I'm well out of the loop now). Like I say though is (was?) too expensive. Sort of fun though - cuts down on cables too

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08-15-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Tipsy

Certainly. Not denying it's most definately a need. It's been out a few years now though and was too expensive for widespread usage. However as with all things that may be changing or even has changed (I'm well out of the loop now). Like I say though is (was?) too expensive. Sort of fun though - cuts down on cables too

I understand what your saying a few years back. According to market channel deploying Broadband over Electrical wires is cheaper than a few years back. With more research they've found ways to deploy in a cost efficient fashion!

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08-15-2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by D_Nell

I understand what your saying a few years back. According to market channel deploying Broadband over Electrical wires is cheaper than a few years back. With more research they've found ways to deploy in a cost efficient fashion!

If you ever get to see it check out the hardware they use on the sub-station end. Impressive stuff!

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08-15-2003, 12:58 PM

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08-15-2003, 01:00 PM

This is old news. I can remember way back before cable this was supposed to be huge but there was some sort of issue with getting it to work with 120 vac as opposed to the 240 euro current they were testing it on.

This sounds cool, but I wonder about introducing the modulation noise into the current. If you are an audiophile you may not want this.

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08-15-2003, 01:03 PM

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08-15-2003, 01:40 PM

The power company have been doing some major research on this idea,

They got the whole infastructure in place and power companies will be making huge $$$. Its gonna be more cost effective than fiber
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08-15-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by playa
The power company have been doing some major research on this idea,

They got the whole infastructure in place and power companies will be making huge $$$. Its gonna be more cost effective than fiber

Yup. I have been hearing of this for years now. It is only a matter of time.

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08-15-2003, 01:44 PM

Sign me up. I bet VPN and other telecommuting requirements would be awesome on it. Lets not forget the IP phone.

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08-15-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by p00p

Yup. I have been hearing of this for years now. It is only a matter of time.

It has been available in a few EU countries already including The
Netherlands.....last I heard is that they stopped with it in The Netherlands because the whole country is stuffed with fiber so
the demand was too low. The technology is at least 3 to 4 years
old....it's nothing new.

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08-15-2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by DynaSpain

It has been available in a few EU countries already including The
Netherlands.....last I heard is that they stopped with it in The Netherlands because the whole country is stuffed with fiber so
the demand was too low. The technology is at least 3 to 4 years
old....it's nothing new.

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08-15-2003, 01:54 PM

Bell Canada Enterprises holds major share in the company that headed up research and development of this product in Europe. It's nothing new, just exciting if it comes to light.

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08-15-2003, 01:57 PM

isnt this VDSL. I could be wrong

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08-15-2003, 02:00 PM

40 times faster then a t1.. and cheaper then a t1? that's like a 30 - 50 mbps line for 250$.. that might hurt hosting companies pretty bad
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08-15-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by the Shemp
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08-15-2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by cash69
40 times faster then a t1.. and cheaper then a t1? that's like a 30 - 50 mbps line for 250$.. that might hurt hosting companies pretty bad

Actually it'll eventually all balance itself out,, the end user's will demand more bandwidth

Plus all Internet exchange facilities already have power lines and the switch from dark fiber would not be that difficult
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08-15-2003, 02:04 PM

We need to start sucking up to the power companies and cable modem providers people

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08-15-2003, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by cash69
40 times faster then a t1.. and cheaper then a t1? that's like a 30 - 50 mbps line for 250$.. that might hurt hosting companies pretty bad

In theory that's nice.....but this will never happen.....what they
mean is that it can go at those speeds.....just like LAN networks
can do 100Mbps.....somewhere you have to go on the internet
and that's where the fun starts. You really don't believe that
the power company is going get 5000Gbps lines to give all
their internet customers full speed access now do you?

So yes on the power network the speed is nice....but as soon
as you have to jump over to the WAN connection on the internet
it totaly depends on the capacity that is available and numbers of users that are using the infrastructure......

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08-15-2003, 02:09 PM

70% of the people right now could run off a t1 with no problem.. sure hosting companies will alwyase be around.. those that use major bw.. but why would some one using 5 mbps get a hosting company or a shared hosting line when he can just setup his computer and host himself.. some don't know how to do it.. but i think they would learn.. would save few hundred dollars per month
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08-15-2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by cash69
40 times faster then a t1.. and cheaper then a t1? that's like a 30 - 50 mbps line for 250$.. that might hurt hosting companies pretty bad

Don't you know I read an article and hosting companies will die by 2015.

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08-15-2003, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by cash69
70% of the people right now could run off a t1 with no problem.. sure hosting companies will alwyase be around.. those that use major bw.. but why would some one using 5 mbps get a hosting company or a shared hosting line when he can just setup his computer and host himself.. some don't know how to do it.. but i think they would learn.. would save few hundred dollars per month

This is not true.....first of all no one will actually give you a T1
for less than a hosting company could give you. There are a lot
of other costs and things you should consider.....in order to have
a T1 you need a local loop or in plain english a physical line.
You would need to buy a decent router. You need to hook your
end of the T1 to an upstream provider. You would have to get
peering agreements with other providers to assure that people
from other networks can access your network segment in a
decent way. You would need to monitor and babysit your own
servers 24/7/365

And these are just a few of the things that you have overlooked.
Now do you really think you can do this all by yourself cheaper
then getting a hosting deal? I'm sure you can't. Hosting providers
buy in bulk.....or more often house in datacenters where they just
rent floorspace. Datacenters have huge networks and many
different networks under the same roof. So routing between
these networks can occur over LAN connections which is a lot
cheaper than interconnection over real local loops using fiber
connections. I can sum up 100's of other tasks where they share
costs....also you pay for BW in both ways. Hosting providers resell
there symetric BW as they hardly use this....they sell it to Dialup
providers or Satelite providers doing that from your home is next
to impossible as the volume is way to small to be interesting.
What about a decent airco cooled server room and sufficient
backup power. The list is goes on and on why you are better off
and certainly cheaper than doing all this yourself.

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