CE / Acacia news
 

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translation please,,

you need a damn PHd to read damn lawyer talk

CE are suing Acacia for breaching the confidentiality provisions of some contract.

... a $1000 lawsuit that will, or will not stop ACACIA using the name cybererotica. hasn´t got anything to do with the patent thingy itself.

sounds like Acacia went around spoutin off to everyone that they got CE to pay up... so everyone else should too...

meanwhile CE never said they could be using their name like that... and that CE isn't just paying royalties and stuff as Acacia would have us believe.

Therefore, CE is suing Acacia for making us believe that.

It doesn't affect their "patent" that they have... but it does affect smaller companies decisions. If they hear that CE is paying, then the smaller company will figure they have no choice but to do the same.

zactly :)


good for CE...

I knew it was going to happen

kick their ass CE

Acacia is a sinkin matey.

Go CE :ak47:

Yar!

good translation man

So everyone including AVN got it wrong?
So what exactly was the agreement that CE entered into with Acacia? There was an agreement of some kind it seems - even the CE court docs seem to confirm there was ("further publicizing the terms or existence of its agreements with TNC"). I'm curious to know what it was, and what is the nature of the deal between CE and Acacia that CE wishes to keep private? Perhaps someone from CE could issue a press release and clarify for those of us who are concerned that our donations to IMPA are (possibly) being "cancelled out" by equal or larger flows of money from CE to Acacia. On what exactly did CE enter into agreement with Acacia, and why the secrecy?

I hope AVN has an investigative reporter on staff. Where's Luke Ford when you need him?

never mess with FM, he will kick your ass :)

actually ... it be a doctorate of juris prudence... a JD... but that's okay :-)

excellent.

Nice. And they're using one of my lawyers to do it.

GO CE!

The counter lawsuits begin go fuck yourself Acacia

Basically, CECash, when they settled, included terms that neither side wanted public. Thats standard, when you are dealing with a huge company, im sure lots more consessions are made than with smaller companies.

Acacia broke the terms of their agreement, and CE is suing to uphold it.

Well, over a week ago, fantasyman did say, "You folks will be in for quite a surprise when the truth comes out."

A hearing for this is set for the 15th. This ought to be interesting...

another way to fight off Acacia is to drain their warchest. That $40M they have stashed just for suing websites could be trickled away if all kinds of peripheral lawsuits were filed like the CE one.

If CE can show that their reputation was harmed and irreversible damage was caused, resulting in $13.3M worth, then treble damages amounts to just under $40M, tack on attorneys fees, and now you are causing them some burn.

so whoever at acacia leaked out the news, keep on going.. hey, maybe they were secretly placed by members of the adult industry, that infilitrated and then.......

back to reality...

So CEcash has filed suit against Acacia? Is it just for stopping them from using the CEcash name or is it also for damages?

News that CEcash signed didn't exactly help them any. Had it been a little more low-profile, maybe people wouldn't be going around spitting on CEcash now.

Seriously, how many affiliates stopped promoting them after that? We'll never know, but I'd imaging it was more than a few.

As the saying goes, keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.

Who is to say that CE didn't settle with Acacia to get them nice and cozy close and then bring on the smackdown when they had their back turned?

We shouldn't be too quick to make any judgements on CE, especially since we don't know the facts.

if acacia broke their confidentiality, they won't be impressing anyone with their business ethics...

No need for them to try and impress anyone with their "business ethics"... trying to force universities and colleges to pay them licenses for distance learning....... i guess they think that the education system is also another great well of $$$ like the adult industry.

Fight the Patent!

dosent make much sense to me. Logic would say that the only reason CE signed is because they got a sweetheart deal. The reason they would be given a sweetheart deal is so Acacia could use them as an example in their scare tactics and to try and give some credibility.

If CE had all this fight in them, why not fight the patent instead of caving like the French in a world war.

Just like War,
you don't have to tale the enemy head on...

and to continue that analogy.....


A smart General can lose a battle, in order to win a war.

FM = Smart General

Sounds to me that CE made a deal with Acacia instead of fighting the patent and this deal was to be confidential. However, Acacia broke the confidentiality and CE is pissed because everyone now knows that CE settled instead of fighting. The news of CE's deal with Acacia could certainly tarnish CE's reputation as a player and leader in this industry. FM, grow some balls and fight the patent:2 cents:

I think CE made the right move in settling

according to the guy that was from acacia on D money show

you can settle and not have to pay prior years moneys owed
basically getting a sweet deal

if you dont settle you owe back 6 years or so and if the patent is overturned then you just stop paying them royalties
if it isnt you owe them 6 years worth


nothing says you cant settle and still fight it

that would actually be the smartest move settle and have a back up then fight the hell out of it



Tanker

no disrespect but why do you say it's only $1000?

seems natural that CE could sue for millions..... - publicizing the CE name as gutless and heartless panzies that gave into acacia's extrosion tactics to help fund acacia's warchest so acacia has more financial resorces to go after other movie sites could and probally did REALLY hurt CE's reputation and ability to get new affiliates in the adult online business.

settling only opens the door to hundreds of other extrosion scams just waiting to get their hands on your wallet.

From the discussions on GFY, it would already appear that the disclosure of their dealing with Acacia has hurt their business and caused negative sentiments.

So easy for CE to demonstrate the harm caused.

Like i posted before, i think that $12.3M in damages should just about do it.

will the patent be heard be the same judges? or judges at the same level?...seems to me that if they lose once with these guys...they will most likely lose again


but that might be geting ahead a bit

you do bring up a very valid and concerning point.

As I have been posting and writing about, Acacia is not the only battle here... there are other patents out there....

So these other companies could come knocking on the same doors and demand a "licensing" fee, and this whole battle continues.

This is where it highlights the absurdity that how can more than 1 person have the "patent" right for the same thing?

So to fend off this potential nightmare, Acacia AND other patents need to be invalidated by finding prior art.. otherwise, Acacia is just 1 battle, there are many more.

Get informed, get mad, get active...

Fight The Patent!

You can directly attack a patent by filing with the USPTO for a review of it. The other way patents are refuted is in the courtroom, where the patent holder sues someone.

This is where "prior art" is brought up, and if successful, the patent holder loses the court case, and then the patent itself would get invalidated.

I love the people who shout 'it's only 2%'. Ignoring the fact that 2% of Gross can be a huge % of available cash to some people/companies, as Sleazy pointed out - start settling and you possibly open the floodgates. Now get 50 bullshit patents (and you're daft if you don't think 50 exist) wanting 2% and you're out of business.

Personal opinion remains that if you have any choice at all you're crazy if you do no fight the bastards.

There was one quote from a publication Charly was posting, that one adult company made a deal for $500, one time fee.

If you had a business the size of Trade News Corp. (CE), then these type of low $ value deals make so much sense - call it insurance.

A one time fee of $500 might even interest me; and i dont deal in movie content.