Wal-Mart & child abuse
 

Why the fuck do parents wait till they get to Wal-Mart before they start to beat the shit out of their kids???? Is there something in the air?

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Target too.

What's your definition of "beating the shit out of a kid"? I don't give a fuck where I am, if my id starts behaving like a socially repugnant little sot, I'm a bust his ass for him.

I'm not one of these whining, sniveling, kowtow-to-my-kid people. Those who refuse to punish a child should be put in jail for neglect, imho. There is a BIG difference between punishment and abuse (unless you listen to the sniveling enslaved parents who blanch at the merest thought of having to reprimand their little dictators).

You hit your kids?

Kids need a beating every once and a while. I got beat, and im fine. I hate my parents, but im fine...:thumbsup

I must say, even linguistically, that was an uncharacteristically violent outburst compared to what I expect from you, Tala. Sounds defensive. If you really believed in what you did, I wonder if your language about it would be so confrontational.

I think hitting a child should be avoided. I guess there must be times when it is required for discipline, but here's a thought-- Is the best time to do it in public? I think too many parents resort to violence and screaming because they are embarassed to have other people see their kids misbehaving.

(Note, the second part of this isn't directed at you, Tala... its in answer to the question.)

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When deserved. That should be the only time a child is punished is when it's deserved, and the punishment should fit the crime.

Funniest thing I ever saw was in my local grocery store. This kid maybe 5 or 6 started screaming and kicking on the ground because mom wouldn't buy what the kid wanted. Mom said nicely a few times to get up and stop screaming... the kid wouldn't so mom grabbed the kid by the foot and started dragging the kid down the aisle towards the checkout. Some people looked shocked .... I thought it was fuckin great the kid was a little shit

Mom?

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You see... if your kids are screaming for toys in the store when they're 6, you've already failed.

I'm having a BAD day. Sorry if it sounded defensive. This is just one of the few topics that piss me off.

Funny you should mention how people resort to violence and screaming because they're embarrassed to let other people see their kids misbehaving in public. I sem to see the opposite here: Parents appeasing their children with toys/candy/whatever in order to avoid the misbehavior that they're rewarding.

This is one of those arenas where you and I will have to agree to disagree, Ian. :)

Yes?

It's ok to hit your kids in the US? Where I am from, social services would take your kids and quite possibly throw you in jail.
Physical punishment doesnt do anyone any good, IMO.

You couldnt possibly be a parent and say something like that.


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To an extent, hitting kids is acceptable. Like I said earlier, there's a difference between punishment and abuse.

Example: Spanking a child for hitting me is acceptable. Spanking a child for no reason is NOT acceptable.

gotta lay the smack down on these damn kids

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People should hit their kids more often. My Mom used to smack me when I was being a shit and I love her for doing that. I was a well-behaved kid. Fear of getting spanked is the only way to really control a kid sometimes. That's just the way it is.

For example: I was in Applebee's and some little bastard in the booth behind me kept leaning over and putting his slimy little kid paws all over my head and back. The first time I turned around and nicely asked the mother to make her kid stop. Her idea of making him stop was to say "No no Travis. Sit down, honey".

Needless to say the kid didn't stop and the mother didn't care. I turned around and told the kid to stop and asked her once more to control her child. Again she told him "No no Travis. Sit down, honey".

That time her little brat of a kid left me alone for about a minute before he started fucking with me again. I snapped. I turned around and asked if she knew how to discipline a child? This dumb bitch actually asked me "What would you like me to do about it". SPANK HIM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SPANK HIM!!!! "Not that it's any of your business but I don't spank my little boy" she said.

Don't let your kids get like that! Wanna guess what that little shit is going to be like when he is a teenager?

Man, I'll say. There's some bitterness there.

SpaceAce

my basic view is there should be the fear of being hit, so much so that the kid will behave and not want to find out.

By having to do actual hitting its like admitting the kid dosent fear you. Then they just resent you and subconsciously lose respect for you.

It sorta reminds me of leave it to beaver. Beaver and wally were always so damn afraid of scewing up and getting a beating. But Ward never once laid a hand on them. The fear was there though.

if I had a kid

I'd beat him like Saddam and hit his feet till he cries

everyday sole of the feet beating while tied upside down

lets see how the next time he begs for the barbie doll at toysrus

little FUCK!

Maybe I was an oddball, but I behaved ten times better for my mother who never hit me than I did for my father who used to get after me with a belt for stuff like not cleaning my room after being told several times and getting D's on my report card. I HATED him. My mother, on the other hand, would look sad and pitiful and sometimes she'd cry and I'd do anything for her. To this day she still says I was an angel of a small child. :)

I do think spanking can be necessary for things that could really harm the child. Like if a child goes out into the road and you tell them to come back and they don't, then you should put the smack down. But these parents who spank their kids for stupid things like whining in the store or saying a "naughty word" piss me off. That's why there are so many violent people in the world these days. Too many parents teach their kids that the best way to deal with something that bothers you or makes you a little angry is violence and that's just not right.

Nothing worse than a pooly behaved child. Too bad it is 99.9% of the time the parents fault. I hate being out and seeing a child out of control, I have no problem saying something to the parents.

The thing is that the store brings out the worst in kids, they want this, they want that, it can be frustrating. I have an 11 year old, 5 year old, and 18 month old. It can be a chore bringing them shopping sometimes, especially when it's a long day, like we went through the mall, then another store, then when Wal-Mart comes along and the kids are bored with shopping, it can raise some tensions, he he he.

As far as beating goes, I don't believe in beating my kids, I will however, crack them on the ass if they REALLY push it far, I'm talking after a bunch of warnings, if that doesn't work, then a little crack on the ass usually helps, he he he.

I was raised by a family of hippies
they believed in

Not spanking
No guns
Freedom
Free Sex
And talking us kids to death when we did something wrong
Ground us forever
Took all of our fun

that's what I did to my kids and guess what
I never had to spank any of them
I never raised my voice to them

and they turned out fine
Are good in school
Are popular
and the older once have good jobs, don't use drugs and are good people who wouldn't hurt anybody.

I guess its the way you start when they are little.

shrug
Maybe I just got lucky

I agree with Slick. Bringing a kid into a store is a huge can of worms. First you have to watch your kids like a hawk because of the freaks who want to snatch them. Then kids want this and want that, and sometimes you have to say no.

My father used to beat the shit out me - with his leather belt. It wasn't something he enjoyed, but something that was needed. I was a little shit. When there was a problem he would come home from work, calmly address the issue with me, and told me I was getting a spanking after dinner. And sure enough, after dinner he would put me across his knees and spank me with his belt.

I turned out okay.

Once I mouthed off to my mother and she decked me. I must have been about thirteen years old and a foot taller than her. What the fuck do you do? Hit your mother?

I have a daughter that's about to be three years old. Once she gave me flak and I smacked her bottom - nice and hard. She hasn't given me shit since then. I hope I don't ahve to do it again.

Must be the Walmart Near southkeys eh? I dont go in there inless I come with 5 friends haha, The arabs just love to lay the smackdown in that area.

I totally believe in spanking a child when they need it, but I do NOT believe in doing that in public. There are other ways of handling it than hitting them in a public place, that embarrasses me and them. I am glad to say I am not ashamed to take my kids into a public place, BUT I do have to have a 5 year old that will SOMETIMES give me a little grief....... I completely ignore her fit and she will stop sooner or later when she sees it isn't getting her her way. If she already has something in the cart and starts a fit, it's put back on the shelf.......

I was beaten, and I mean beaten, to the point of needing medical care when I was younger by BOTH my parents, but I STILL believe a good swat on that ass will fix them IF needed. I try and do everything BUT that, but if all else fails, I will pop that ass for them.

99% of the time all I have to do with mine is TELL them they are about to get it and that stops it, but if they need it, they get one on the ass and that's IT. A child HAS to be TAUGHT discipline, they don't just come into the world KNOWING it and it is OUR jobs to teach them....... my kids have ALOT of freedoms, but they know their boundaries and what we expect of them and they USUALLY stay within those boundaries. NO they aren't angels, because they KNOW who is in charge, but they are all very good and well mannered kids and very charming and considerate with others..... so they are proof a good swat on the ass never killed anyone. LOL

BUT, having said all that, let someone else raise a hand to one of my children and ALL kinds of hell is about to be breaking loose, I'd fight a bear if I had to over my kids....... LOL

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I totally agree with you Tala. Spanking is one thing. But "Beating The Shit" out of a child is another thing. It's not like these people are sitting there "kicking the kids ass" and giving him a black eye, yes some people do this, but it isn't right doing that! Spanking a kid, there is no problem! :)

jDoG

I see no problem with swatting a kid who is being a little jackass and not behaving like a respectable human being. It's no wonder there are so many fucking 13 year old druggies and 16 year old brats robbing people and stealing cars. Nobody put them in their place. I was beat a few times and I fucking DESERVED IT. All these social servant sloths were just whinny little brats who got away with everything as a child. When I see kids going around telling their elders to fuck off downtown the old fella's give chase and pound them or grag them by their hair to a cop who then throws teh brat in the back of the car. Well deserved.


I think parents who let kids get away with everything should themselves be beat with a pole.


I DO see a problem with parents who smack their kids for stupid reasons. A whacking should be a last resort of if they do something terribly disrepectful.

I got caught lighting fires. I was smacked. I deserved it.

I fucked my grade 4 classmate when I was 9. I got caught, I deserved it.

I shot my mouth off at my grandfather, so my gramma smacked me with a handle from a flyswatter. I deserved it.

My little girl is 4 now and shes been trying to get away with some bad shit. Trying to hit me. Saying shes 'not my friend' anymore (gets that from school). Kid stuff no less, but as a parent I know if I have to curb this crap early, or suffer later.

My Dad tried the spanking and belt shit on me when I was a kid. Did spanking me work? No. I turned out to be a kid you wish you never had, a real fucked up juvenile delinquent. I remember all the times that I got spanked, the trick was to make a big deal about it, even if it didnt hurt. I made em think they were doing more damage then they were actually doing. In no time I was running around again causing trouble.

Anyway, I came up with another way to try and curb my daughters behavior, my alternative to spanking (for as long as it works). When she does something I dont want her to, I paint a very vivid picture in her brain of the consequences. Thing is, I totally bullshit... but since she is 4, she wont know the difference. If I want her to stop jumping down the stairs, I say some shit like 'stop doing that or else you can slip and fall and your head will ROLL OFF, and, I wont be able to put it back on!.'... things like that. It freaks her out. She asks me back, 'my head will fall off? i cant get it back?!', in a concerned and worried tone.

It works. Compare fears: getting spanked - which is temporary pain, to having your head roll off - which is permanent. Kids are gullible and you can manipulate them far more with words then actions.



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i've got to say, when i was a kid and i misbehaved, my parents kicked my ass, and THANK GOD! they beat me right outta jail. they never hit me out of anger, or to be abusive, but when i fucked up, or got smart with them they let me have it. there's a fine ine between abuse and discipline, every kid needs his ass spanked every now and again. these people today that are pussies and let their kids control them and let them do whatever they want, are bredding useless children. that will turn out to be idiotic non-contributing pieces of shit. because if they're misbehaving and do not have consequences for their actions they will continue to use that attitude throughout life. :2 cents:

Spankings..... maybe
Attention grabbing swats.....YES
Yelling.........Never
Punishment, like groundings, Definitely if you STICK to it.

All I have to say is look at the world today, Most children are very
disrespectful, throw huge fits, crap like that. Why do you think these talk shows thrive... LOL
Pros and Cons to doing it one way or the other in a controversial issue.

Not doing anything at all when your child is misbehaving, I want to beat the parents...
Notice I said "Not doing anything", however you deal with your children, just don't do nothing.

I see so many parents yelling at the children in a store, like I am impressed that they are making an attempt
when actually they are not....

BTW I have 5 children.....

VERY well said..... I have 4 of them myself. I am very strict on one hand and very lenient on the other. When it comes to respecting themselves and others, I am a major bitch about that one. I am ALL into getting their attention however I can get it without hitting them anywhere at all EVER, but sometimes that smack on the ass is what it takes. BUT I'd much rather get it now than wait and not be ABLE to get it when they REALLY get into a jam in their lives.

My oldest just moved out and is on her own and I couldn't be more proud of her if I tried........ she was spanked a few times and punished in various ways. And she is one of the best kids I have ever seen.

I remember she stole something from a store once... and I say ONCE...... we put her in "Jimbo's Jail"...... took literally everything she had away from her, left her mattress on the floor and a milk crate turned upside down for her to eat from, and we walked her to the bathroom for 24 hours, waited outside the door..... NEVER laid a hand on her. She was fed her meals in her room and everything. In 24 hours, we let her out and she hasn't stolen a thing since then.

A couple of years later she hit my son with a pipe and I wore her ass out, she never hit him again either. LMAO

Bottom line is the punishment must fit the crime..... in my house, you hit, you GET hit....... if they hit someone, then I smack their asses, they know how it feels to then get hit and don't do it anymore. lol

And I have 4 children myself...... ranging from 5-19..... LOL