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Tipsy 06-30-2003 02:41 PM

Would you pay for Internet music?
 
Given Amps thread I was just interested how many people would actually pay for music if they could ensure quick, high quality downloads at a reasonable price, say... $1 a track or similar.

Personally I'd far rather do that then keep putting up with all the crap on a file sharing program. How many others would? I thought a poll would be a good way to judge it.

Amputate Your Head 06-30-2003 02:43 PM

absolutely....

[Labret] 06-30-2003 02:44 PM

noooo

Digipimp 06-30-2003 02:44 PM

Umm we mac users call that the Apple Music Store and don't worry it will be available on Windows before the end of the year.

Sly_RJ 06-30-2003 02:45 PM

I like CDs. I'll keep buying. I'm listening to the latest Manson CD right now. Almost every song on it is 5x better than the latest single. I never would have known about these songs if I searched through catalogs and only downloaded the songs I know.

ytcracker 06-30-2003 02:47 PM

im an artist too some people would beg to differ i wont point them out

butfuck it if people are hearing u its about the music man word smoke blunts

tranza 06-30-2003 02:47 PM

Ohhhh.... Very hard to choose: free or payed.... uhmmmm....... I think I'll stick to free: Thank you....

Tipsy 06-30-2003 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digipimp
Umm we mac users call that the Apple Music Store and don't worry it will be available on Windows before the end of the year.

Which I think can only be a good thing. What % will use it though...

I only find it amazing that it has taken (and continues to take) this long to do something like this.

quiet 06-30-2003 02:48 PM

yes, and i already have.

[Labret] 06-30-2003 02:50 PM

I would consider it only if the catalog was VAST, they charged 10 cents per song, AND they ripped it at no less than 192.

This Mac Music thing, what bitrate do they give you the mp3s at?

Tipsy 06-30-2003 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I like CDs. I'll keep buying. I'm listening to the latest Manson CD right now. Almost every song on it is 5x better than the latest single. I never would have known about these songs if I searched through catalogs and only downloaded the songs I know.
I have the problem that someone posted in Amps thread - I often buy a CD for just a couple of tracks and really don't want to hear the rest. It means in effect I buy far fewer CD's than I'd like to.

It would also be so easy to make available 20 second (or however long it needs to get past intros) samples of all the tracks so you still wouldn't miss stuff that hasn't had radio play.

Beastiepoo 06-30-2003 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I like CDs. I'll keep buying. I'm listening to the latest Manson CD right now. Almost every song on it is 5x better than the latest single. I never would have known about these songs if I searched through catalogs and only downloaded the songs I know.
I like CDs too, some of them come with great artwork and tracks that would never reach the radio/internet but are the best on the album. Most of the time the only CDs I find that have these bonuses are those that are by the artists that I enjoy over and above the norm. In other words, I would have bought the latest CD by 'soandso' because having bought their music before, I know that I'll enjoy the whole thing. Where a service like the one Tipsy mentioned would come in handy would be for those songs you hear on the radio and want as part of your music library but you don't want to buy the whole CD for the one or two songs you liked. In my teen years when I had too much money and not enough good sense I bought numerous CDs of bands that had good singles and found that the rest of their music was either not to my taste or just total crap. This way, for a limited payout I'd get the music I want and not have paid for the rest of the crap.

:2 cents:

Tipsy 06-30-2003 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranza
Ohhhh.... Very hard to choose: free or payed.... uhmmmm....... I think I'll stick to free: Thank you....
If you're making any sort of money you would probably find it costs more in time going through all the P2P crap to actually get the tracks.


....oh never mind. I see you're spamming Swoit in your sig. Silly me.

Digipimp 06-30-2003 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
I would consider it only if the catalog was VAST, they charged 10 cents per song, AND they ripped it at no less than 192.

This Mac Music thing, what bitrate do they give you the mp3s at?

Actually on Apple's music store the files are in mp4, or some call it AAC ( advanced audio codec) and they are at 128, which in AAC is said to be the equivalent in mp3 of a 192 or higher in quality. I've bought from it and they do sound pretty good.

Beastiepoo 06-30-2003 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
yes, and i already have.
Ooooh, you crazy mac users you!!!!!:glugglug

Digipimp 06-30-2003 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy


I have the problem that someone posted in Amps thread - I often buy a CD for just a couple of tracks and really don't want to hear the rest. It means in effect I buy far fewer CD's than I'd like to.

It would also be so easy to make available 20 second (or however long it needs to get past intros) samples of all the tracks so you still wouldn't miss stuff that hasn't had radio play.

Apple's store generally sells full albums at 9.99 a piece or you can buy single tracks for .99 and you get free 30 second previews of every track.

Sly_RJ 06-30-2003 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beastiepoo


I like CDs too, some of them come with great artwork and tracks that would never reach the radio/internet but are the best on the album. Most of the time the only CDs I find that have these bonuses are those that are by the artists that I enjoy over and above the norm. In other words, I would have bought the latest CD by 'soandso' because having bought their music before, I know that I'll enjoy the whole thing. Where a service like the one Tipsy mentioned would come in handy would be for those songs you hear on the radio and want as part of your music library but you don't want to buy the whole CD for the one or two songs you liked. In my teen years when I had too much money and not enough good sense I bought numerous CDs of bands that had good singles and found that the rest of their music was either not to my taste or just total crap. This way, for a limited payout I'd get the music I want and not have paid for the rest of the crap.

:2 cents:

I know what you guys are saying and it would be a good service. I just posted my personal preference.

Oh, by the way, I picked up the latest "So and So" CD. It's killer!

Tipsy 06-30-2003 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digipimp


Apple's store generally sells full albums at 9.99 a piece or you can buy single tracks for .99 and you get free 30 second previews of every track.

Been meaning to get a Mac for a glorified jukebox for a long while (I LOVE those transparent speakers, especially sitting alongside a Mac that they match). I may just end up going and grabbing one :)

Tipsy 06-30-2003 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I know what you guys are saying and it would be a good service. I just posted my personal preference.

Oh, by the way, I picked up the latest "So and So" CD. It's killer!

Can't stand them myself. Apparently the latest album will be a flop.

Beastiepoo 06-30-2003 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I know what you guys are saying and it would be a good service. I just posted my personal preference.

Oh, by the way, I picked up the latest "So and So" CD. It's killer!

Ever seen them in concert?? THEY ROCK!!!:thumbsup

Chris 06-30-2003 03:03 PM

free music for LIFE

eroswebmaster 06-30-2003 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digipimp


Apple's store generally sells full albums at 9.99 a piece or you can buy single tracks for .99 and you get free 30 second previews of every track.

something I would support wholeheartedly...but at this point in time I can't see me going out and buying a mac just to download music ;)

Also I love shopping at Frye's and seeing 6-7 aisles of windows software vs 1 of the other guy ;)



I would definitely pay for a service like apple provides.

Ketadream 06-30-2003 03:29 PM

Digipimp didnt the mac music store do 1 million songs the first day...

thats pretty impressive numbers...

Any word how its been doing since launch..

gothweb 06-30-2003 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranza
Ohhhh.... Very hard to choose: free or payed.... uhmmmm....... I think I'll stick to free: Thank you....
By that logic, you would also only shoplift rather than every buying anything. Remember, not paying when you are supposed to is called "theft" and it is a crime.

GrimShawn 06-30-2003 03:31 PM

Who Be Link Hotten Me?

JDog 06-30-2003 03:32 PM

I goto easynews.com and download music there. I'm a fan of music. If I like the group and I decide I like the song's on a album, I will buy it!

jDOG

tranza 06-30-2003 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy


If you're making any sort of money you would probably find it costs more in time going through all the P2P crap to actually get the tracks.

lol.... like searching and d/l a music in Kazaa takes longer than searching, buying and d/l a music in some site.... Asshole... :321GFY

tranza 06-30-2003 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb


By that logic, you would also only shoplift rather than every buying anything. Remember, not paying when you are supposed to is called "theft" and it is a crime.

And now you're going to say you never downloaded a mp3? Ok then....

ZoiNk 06-30-2003 04:02 PM

If it was around $1 and I got lifetime personal licence to it. Definitely.
ZoiNk

gothweb 06-30-2003 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranza


And now you're going to say you never downloaded a mp3? Ok then....

I have, sure. I have also since stopped doing it, and my collection is less than 1% downloaded now. It is tempting, but it still isn't right. Heck, I even bought photoshop.

Beastiepoo 06-30-2003 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb


I have, sure. I have also since stopped doing it, and my collection is less than 1% downloaded now. It is tempting, but it still isn't right. Heck, I even bought photoshop.

:eek2

Tipsy 06-30-2003 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranza


lol.... like searching and d/l a music in Kazaa takes longer than searching, buying and d/l a music in some site.... Asshole... :321GFY

Um...yes it does. But then WTF. When I get to the stage that I can't afford to buy stuff I'll get a job at McD's flipping burgers. You should try it - you'll make more than spamming swoit it your sig.

Tipsy 06-30-2003 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranza


And now you're going to say you never downloaded a mp3? Ok then....

You're also missing the point. At the moment you don't have the choice unless you own a mac or want/need a whole album. The poll was asking if you had the choice would you steal. Seems I'm not the only asshole around here.

tranza 06-30-2003 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy


Um...yes it does. But then WTF. When I get to the stage that I can't afford to buy stuff I'll get a job at McD's flipping burgers. You should try it - you'll make more than spamming swoit it your sig.

WTF is your problem dude?? Have I attacked you?? NO... Just because I don't share the same opinion as you, you're bashing me?? FUCK OFF!!

What's the difference between putting swoit in my sig and other guys having their own program showing up in the sig?? I don't have to do anything and I end up with a couple of bux in the end of the day...

Why don't you read your own sign (since you are a communist and decided that you don't want to earn a cent from your sig, you want something nice and meaningfull on it): "If you're not going to like the answer - don't ask the question!"

So if you already had such strong opinion about this subject why do you even bother to ask?? :321GFY Asshole...

nosey 06-30-2003 06:29 PM

nope

Living For Today 06-30-2003 07:25 PM

i actually did an innovation and development assignment on this with a friend for uni. our idea was something along the same lines. cant find the whole thing but here was the little plan: Basically the whole assignment was bullshit and we did 3000 words on the day it was due but still got a good mark.

Intro
In the mid to late 1990¡¦s, music files available for downloading and sharing from the internet was rapidly growing in popularity. Consumers used to paying full price for CD¡¦s in retail stores were taking full advantage of the ability to download their favourite cd¡¦s for free and burn them to discs. (talk about how this could not last, the demise of napster, the current resurgence of alternatives (kazaa) but its limitations.

Details of the concept
Includes PIC. Also we need to include a service blue print (probably look at text book for info on this. This will be a major part of the assignment. Clear details of the business process. Relationships with suppliers, advantages to consumers. Music to consumers via mp3 files that are available to members who pay a small fee. Monthy fee or per usage? Consumers then able to custom their CD however they wish. Government regulations to be overcome. Persuading record companies our concept will be beneficial to them, etc, etc.
Obstacles:
Consumers who want the look and feel of the real CD. Solution ¡V CD labels, but will also require record company involvement and approval.

Demand Analysis
Who is the target market. The possible target market is constantly expanding (everyone enjoys
music). Teenagers and 20 somethings are a very large target market. Analyse the characteristics of the target market. They were unwilling to pay for Napster, whats changed? Are they innovators, early adopters? Generally, yes. There are those who still want the originality of the CD¡¦s. Those who are satisfied currently with Kazaa and the likes. Then number crunching (ABS statistics), ATAR model.

NPD process
Opportunity Identification ¡V gap in the market, ¡§a better napster¡¨
Concept Generation ¡V how can we be different, and be legal.
Concept Evaluation ¡V Is our concept valid ¡V> detail why we think so.
Production ¡V How will we get the ball rolling. Record Company alliances, advertising, staff
Launch ¡V advertising, PR, build-up!

Full Product Protocol Statement
Core product ¡V entertainment, fun
Actual products ¡V the actual program file, the actual mp3 files, information,
Augmented products ¡V blank CD¡¦s the obvious one (possibly actual product), technical help, IT help, etc. ?³ look up textbooks on this for better description.

Design and Development
Basically a more detailed part of the Development stage in the NPD.

Commercialisation
The Launch details, just more detail again from the NPD. Launch activities, PR, exposure! Also, post launch tracking.

Conclusion

Slick 06-30-2003 07:35 PM

Back when I was your age, we didn't have the internet to download our music for free, nor did we have music samples to listen to or CDs to scan past songs, we were stuck with CASSETTES and had to flip them and fast forward to the songs we liked, oh yeah, no skipping the sucky songs. We had to learn to love all the songs.

Geeeeesh, kids these days, think they got it hard, ha ha ha.

Digipimp 06-30-2003 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


something I would support wholeheartedly...but at this point in time I can't see me going out and buying a mac just to download music ;)

Also I love shopping at Frye's and seeing 6-7 aisles of windows software vs 1 of the other guy ;)



I would definitely pay for a service like apple provides.


Apparently you don't read the entire threads or you just skim through. As I already said, Apple will be releasing iTunes and the Apple music store to windows users before the end of the year.

Yeah maybe you six 5 aisles of games, but that's why I own a PS2. No one has yet to tell me what they can do on a PC that I can't do on my mac other than play video games.

Digipimp 06-30-2003 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ketadream
Digipimp didnt the mac music store do 1 million songs the first day...

thats pretty impressive numbers...

Any word how its been doing since launch..

It did quite well the first day and the first several weeks. It's still doing well but obviously not selling at the same pace as the first day. They are also in the process of adding a whole whole bunch of indy label stuff to the store. They also do the new music Tuesdays every tuesday as that's the day the recording industry releases new stuff and they add a little more of other stuff every week. Overall I like it much more than going to the store and paying $18 for a CD.

netstarz 06-30-2003 09:33 PM

YES

KRL 06-30-2003 09:40 PM

Apples iTunes did something like 2 million sales of songs at .99 cents each in its first week I heard.

Krusty 06-30-2003 09:51 PM

:GFYBand

maybe mate - depends on the cost.. there are "services" out there who share their files with the world anyway - it's all free - if i can't find it on that program - i'll definately buy it!

Ironhorse 06-30-2003 09:58 PM

Also I'd like to own some reasonable copy rights like I shouldn't lose my entire library when re-installing windows, or transfer from pc to car.

smack 06-30-2003 10:01 PM

fuck a dollar a track, might as well go buy an overpriced CD. you get me 50 cents a track and that would be reasonable. i firmly believe that artists shouldn't make most of their profit off of recorded music, but by touring and allowing their loyal fanbase to see them live. that's the way music is supposed to be.

booker 06-30-2003 10:04 PM

If it was much cheaper than CDs, extremely high quality, the availability was there (ie faster downloads than my connection can handle regardless of traffic) and you could download the videos and maybe some making-of and other additional shit like you get on DVD movies, then maybe.

Rochard 06-30-2003 10:05 PM

No, I'll never buy music on line.

I buy my music in a music store; I have over 500 CD's. I'm not about to download 500 CDs only to have them lost the next time my hard drive dies.

But the recent stance of the music industry threatens me all the same. I've spent a lot of money for these CDs, and I want to be able to use them where ever I damn please, be it if I'm burning disks to listen in my car, on my computer, or on my MP3 Player. They'll never be able to stop me from doing this; I can build computers all day long with old operating systems and old software.

I believe this is called free use. If someone signs up for my website, they can print up as many copies of my photos as they want - As long as it's for their personal use.

I very rarely download music from the web, and when I do it's only because I can't find a place that will sell me a CD with a twenty year old one hit wonder.

dr00 07-01-2003 11:00 AM

The only way I would pay for music would be if the quality kicked ass, and the transfer time was way better than anyother file sharing software.:thumbsup

Tipsy 07-01-2003 01:34 PM

Interesting results. More or less 50/50 split which is higher thanI'd have expected for people willing to pay.

Makes you wonder how much money the music industry has thrown away trying to fight a fight they could never really win rather than embracing the technology and using it to boost sales.


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