Now TGPs are cheating gallery submitters!
 

I hear all the time tgp webmasters complaining about getting 'cheated', personally I have never cheated any tgp, but today's incident triggered for the first time ideas in that direction, because I feel cheated by a tgp!

Over the last few months I noticed several times that I had relatively high traffic from Teeniefiles' "archive", today Madthumbs' "archive" appears on the first page of my referrers on setracker (= top 25). I go and check: there are 2 (!!) galleries I submitted in the last 48 hours and they were never listed on the main page!
Gee - thanks :feels-hot ! Either my galleries are good enough to get listed or they're not!
But don't send me all these suckers who already went through hundreds of links and still need more free porn! Particularly with one gallery where I use a sponsor with no trials - people have to fork out $30 bucks to get in. I manage to convert this sponsor on good traffic, but not with 'free-porn-suckers'. I'm seriously tempted to either 404 the page or replace the image links with an over-compressed set...
But then: do I really want to jeopardise my passwords and my reputation?

THIS SUCKS (my bandwidth, creativity, time)!:mad:

why woudl you complain about more traffic?>

And you wonder more TGP's are closing submissions..

moron

because it wastes bw

didnt he explain this?

because he is getting nothing more than mooch surfers. TGP traffic in general is bad, but archive listings are the worst since the surfer already passed up 100's of chances to join something ... the odds of conversion are that much lower.

Ah - yeah - so it's o.k. to keep all the top traffic for sponsor hosted galleries, and sent the crap off to submitters? And Madthumbs is password-submitters only... I wouldn't mind if I get told so, but this is only exploiting my work and my bandwidth... Can't convert a no-trial sponsor on shitty traffic!

If you dont like the traffic someone sends you, why do you submit? Did I miss something?

they can only list so many galleries. if you dont like their way of doing things, submit elsewhere. not much else you can do.

Exactly - but nobody on gfy actually reads more than 2 words! To busy getting post count up with :321GFY

I still don't get it. I will take the listing anyday.

Yes - you missed reading it!

I like Madthumbs' traffic if it comes from the main page - but two submissions in a row straight into a so-called 'archive' without ever having been on the main page - that's bullshit!

GeorgeTH, you never know where your signups will come from.
I had only one gallery listed at TheHun in January 2002 - that page still gets me signups 1 1/2 later.

Depending on how the archives are made - categorized or mixed.

Normally when you have archives in categories, they have a tendancy to still convert for you because the surfer is looking for that particular niche whereas the main pages tend to be mixed.

Anyhow, I wouldn't 404 anything in this day and age. Too many sites aren't accepting submissions unless you are paying or within their clique. Better in the archives than nowhere at all - besides, it may actually get you better PR if you stay there long enough :-)

no i didn't miss anything. maybe offer to buy spots from him. then you can guarantee that you get on the main page.

I agree with you that "archive" listings hardly make any sales, but the fact is that regardless, its still free traffic. Im not coming down on you, but..like I said if you dont like it, judt dont submit.

I think saying they are cheating submitters is a bit far fetched. You submitted your gallery, wanting a listing on their site. Did they EVER say this would be a "new" listing?

I get lots of signups from galleries that are in archives and even months later.

Well, I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, but if you're going to 404 it or redirect it anywhere, why not redirect it to a free email sponsor instead?

JESUS CHRIST GUYS BW?????????????/


How much are you paying that it is an issue?

And here I am sending several thousand SE hits directly to galleries in the archives.
Got to redir that to popuphell right away since the gallery submitters hate it! :1orglaugh

You know, the TGP owners are not really into TGPs to give their money to you.

Just because you submit to a TGP they are not required to give you lots of traffic. And you can't really expect to demand traffic of a certain quality.

I personally really think gallery submissions will die eventually, the sponsors will take over the gallery design part of it. Much less whining for the TGP owner to deal with..

I actually wouldn't 404 it, but in that case my 404 page is full of 'free email links'... To 404 it would be just plain stupid since the second recip on the page is for BunnyTeens, where I have a password, too!

It's just the 'archive' thing which really gets up my nose! If it would be something like the Hun's overflow (or similar named) for links which didn't make the front page, but get listed on a second page, and then make it into an archive... I wouldn't be this furious :Graucho

There is an easy way to correct this problem:

Send an E-mail to the TGP and tell them to please remove your gallery because you do not want the free traffic. Let them know that while you like a handout, you would like to choose what your handout will be. Don't forget to ask them to blacklist you in order to protect you from yourself. Then Go Fuck Yourself.

dont like the way they do things , dont submit, easy

Correct.:Graucho

uhm, if you dont like the traffic, then dont submit your galleries. I'm sure madthumbs will do fine without your submissions :)

That archive page traffic on thumbnail preview tgps isn't bad since the archives are organized by category. If a dude like Asian girls he'll probably skip the main page and shoot straight to the Asian category page. That's targeted traffic.

yo just don't submit but don't bash him for sending you traffic . I often got signups from hun archive later so if you aren't happy with it don't submit but don'T start bashing people on public you stupid moron

404 it!

It'll be one step closer to all paid listings and friend listings only.

I'll second that... not to mention that many of my archive pages are listed higher in the SE's than my main pages.

tgp traffic sucks,
no one knows how to filter it properly.

The traffic from madthumbs archive is very little if you compare it to the main site traffic. So why do you care about a little more traffic? those few gigabytes of bandwidth....

Read the rules! Where does it say that if you submit,
you are garanteed to be listed on the mainpage?
Or that you will be listed at all.
Don't be a moron all your life.

LOL!

DH

Sorry - I probably wouldn't have reacted this strongly with a 'normal' tgp gallery - always get lots of traffic suckers from sites I never submit to!

But one of these pages was particularly bad:
· the sponsor has NO TRIAL at all, which normally is hard to convert with tgp traffic (I usually manage with limited submissions to hand-picked sites = not all my routine tgps get these galleries)
· I know I can sell this sponsor better with medium to high resolution pictures, so file sizes are almost twice that of a normal gallery
· and to top it of this template has 19 images plus a 30k header...
= all adds up in bw.

I echo Rictors sentiments entirely. When an archive is categorized you will get traffic that is looking for your subject matter. Both the TGP's you mentioned do this.

Why would you promote a no-trial sponsor?

Usually when adding your site to tgp's, they offer a permanent or temporary listing - Why not choose temp?
And - no trial memberships are probably closing much better than one buck trials at present -
At least, they are on all of my sites - I do not understand why, but can hazzard a guess -
A few weeks ago I removed all trials from my sites.
1) Sign ups for monthly recurrings went 20% higher even tho the surfer had to pay more.
2) Single month non recur sales are way, way up.
3) Where the trial member often cancelled before actually entering the site, the new monthly member is hardly cancelling at all
My sales are currently sky rocketting.

#1) Mad thumbs more often than not will stick you in the archive without putting you on the mainpage so if you don't want to be in the archive don't submit to madthumbs.

#2) My theory is that a lot of times archive surfers can blow there load and get frustrated with TGP Porn so they sign-up for something. In fact, I have gotten sign-ups from the madthumbs archive on multiple occasions

#3) If your bandwidth is valuble you shouldn't be submitting galleries

Why not cut your pics down to 5 pic galleries and submit them to TGP2?
Check this thread:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=143439

:1orglaugh ....:thumbsup

Traffic is traffic is traffic. Even chinese traffic is worth something.

:2 cents:

There's a lot of almost classic threads popping up lately :thumbsup

Holly shit, you are bitching about a "PICTURE" gallery?? or Galleries.... :1orglaugh

Fuck that doesn't burn shit compared to a nice healthy "MOVIE" gallery. I would hate to see it if you got hotlinked to your movies from the Chinese like so many of us do.

Then come bitch about doing 300gigs a day.

:feels-hot

you're right, its worth 2 cents

That just a silly theory,, you can find just as much people saying the total opposite,, The whole TGP traffic is an archive,, surfers get bounced around from TGP to TGP.


I could even say the main page the surfer just warms up, then he hits a categorized archive than find something he like.

LOL,,either stop complaining or send me your traffic

i get better results by not trying to filter. i find its best to get them sent directly to the site.

A listing in the archives gets you more targeted traffic AND traffic from people who have already gone through the main page. So I wouldn't say archives traffic is necessarily worse.
Anyway, enen though I might be wrong on what I have just said, if you submit a page to a tgp, I am assuming the tgp owner can do whatever he prefers with your gallery, that is, listing it on the main page, on the archives only or not listening at all.
If you are so picky about the kind of traffic you need to convert your galleries' traffic then buy some gallery spots at the hun or other big tgps.
There's no point in complaining for free traffic...

also,, getting listed in archive usually mean your gallery is listed on that domain a little longer,

so you might have a chance to get your gallery spidered and making more backlinks for your domain.


so is there any more complaints?

That guy actually sent me a big hate mail about how bad it is that I listed him in my archive .. kinda pissed me off etc.

However, for such a fucking flaming retard let me say one thing ..


MadThumbs, for instance, has all those niches .. lots of people don't like teen/babe/lesbian and the pretty shit on the front. They'd rather have 'just' mature, movies, or something else. If this dude can't get his finger out of his ass and realize that people actually DO bookmark archive pages and not just main pages he is a moron.

I get like 150-200k bookmarkers daily to my archives collectively. And also, just for the record. My main page sends around 800k-1,000k to galleries daily. However, the archive regularly (collectively as well) does around 1.2-1.5mil (more than mainpage).

So i mean, wtf, go suck a dick or something..


Latah.

How true..

Then again that traffic coming straight form the archives maybe you could run an independent counter on it and see if it actually does convert. Granted if it does it probably wont convert at as high a rate as getting listed on the main page, but then again who knows. With that many page views you might still see some sort of conversions that make it worth while.

If its happening I doubt you as a single gallery submitter would be able to do much to change it, so the more info you have on the situation the better informed your final decisions will be. I mean what are you left with, submit or not, obviously you need the submissions so just check and see exactly how bad that traffic is, maybe its not as horrible as you imagine.

Anyway thats just my thoughts on it.

Oh, so you're pissed off because you posted a sub-par gallery pushing a sub-par sponsor?

I see. Next time you feel like bitching... bitch because YOU fucked up.