For NATS users: your numbers are public
 

I’ve known this trick for a few years, but I think it’s finally time to share it.

Want to estimate how big your competitors are? If they use NATS, you can do it fairly easily under certain conditions.

Requirements:

• The site must use NATS
• The payment flow must go through a NATS-managed gateway

When you land on the payment page, the URL often looks something like:

That memberid value is the key.

By checking this value at time X and again at time Y, you can estimate how many new members have signed up during that period, based on the following facts:

• The number includes both paid and non-paid members
• It applies to the entire NATS installation, not just a single site
• It represents new joins only

Since the number of paid members can never exceed the number of new members , this gives you a fairly reliable way to approximate the size and growth of your competitors.

At least, I hope TMM sends me a gift this year

Thanks,
W

GoGoBar gonna flip his lid...

I’ve spotted real big-mouths on this board ... you wouldn’t believe it … Six sign-ups in 24 hours across 10+ paysites, posting like they’re big players raking in millions.

No one is raking in millions with paysites unless they are tied to the major tubes which can provide pinned placement and constant traffic. Six figures yes but millions? Not anymore sadly.

"posting like ..." I said

Remember the public referrers bug which first exposed sales numbers 20 years ago? Lots of surprises there, both on the low end and high end...

Now I'm waiting for TMM to offer me a 1 year license for free LOL

Just tell John that you know GoGoBar :1orglaugh

you would have been better to contact them with the issue before exposing it in the wild

It was kidding about the license. I have done my own version for NATS for a client. :thumbsup

There's no (GFY) fun in that . . .

Well, I don’t think I could have caused any damage to TMM. As far as I know, they’re not doing any new NATS installations anymore, they’re just maintaining their existing recurring clients.

He's just jelly you got the scoop . . .

They just launched a pretty cool CMS so I think they are still taking on new clients?

LMFAO that's hilarious

I mean, who's so crazy to start a paysite business in 2026?

Yes, they added to NATS a CMS they developed few years ago. I'm not referring to Carma. It's another CMS. I tried the demo. I suppose they realised there was no market for it and added to NATS for free. Cool move, I like TMM. I'm not making fun of them.

I think that 90% of current paysites owners are living off rebills these days.