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DarkJedi 05-22-2003 12:06 PM
Just saw Matrix 2
 
What a letdown.
Pure crap.

JamesK 05-22-2003 12:54 PM
:1orglaugh

stevecore 05-22-2003 12:54 PM
there is no crap.

X37375787 05-22-2003 12:54 PM
ah stop the fuckin crying. it was good.

FuqALot 05-22-2003 12:54 PM
okay.

Betray 05-22-2003 12:56 PM
wow your slow, most people have seen it twice by now

nap 05-22-2003 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi
What a letdown.
Pure crap.

next time dl the svcd first. thats what i did, saved myself about 30 bucks :thumbsup

UnseenWorld 05-22-2003 01:00 PM
I think the fact that it doesn't knock you out of the Universe the way the first one did and simply knocks your socks off is what disappoints people. The first one was such a quantum leap, the second one could hardly have the same effect.

scorpy 05-22-2003 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi
What a letdown.
Pure crap.
I agree

DarkJedi 05-22-2003 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Betray
wow your slow, most people have seen it twice by now
i'm from a 3rd world country.
we had an opening today.

delia 05-22-2003 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi
What a letdown.
Pure crap.
You are entitled to your own opinion. But can i ask why do you say it's crap?

DarkJedi 05-22-2003 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by delia


You are entitled to your own opinion. But can i ask why do you say it's crap?
Sure.
The Matrix 2 plot completely eluded me. All i saw was a number of nicely done unrelated scenes: fighting, shooting, carchase; and some crappy scenes: dancing, sex, dialogs.

PANTYHOSE PROPHET 05-22-2003 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi
What a letdown.
Pure crap.
I must agree with you.

vegasdude 05-22-2003 01:34 PM
movie rocked....

found the hints very intriquing...!!! november i will see the last episode matrix revolutions!

Lane 05-22-2003 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi


Sure.
The Matrix 2 plot completely eluded me. All i saw was a number of nicely done unrelated scenes: fighting, shooting, carchase; and some crappy scenes: dancing, sex, dialogs.
the story was brilliant

you only seem to care about visual stuff

gornyhuy 05-22-2003 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi


Sure.
The Matrix 2 plot completely eluded me. All i saw was a number of nicely done unrelated scenes: fighting, shooting, carchase; and some crappy scenes: dancing, sex, dialogs.
You've hit the nail right on the head here:
"plot completely eluded me."

Operator error.
Its your brain thats the problem, not the movie.



:Graucho

D_Nell 05-22-2003 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi
What a letdown.
Pure crap.
I beg to differ on that. People who aren't liking the movie aren't understanding the deep language they use. Guess you can't comprehend computer language.

:321GFY

Fucking MOVIE Was the shit. About to see it again for the 4th time!

SomeCreep 05-22-2003 02:52 PM
I loved it.

Gasper 05-22-2003 02:58 PM
Ooohhh yeah!! Saw it too .. THAT MOVIE FUCKING ROOOOOOOX!!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup

arial 05-22-2003 03:23 PM
You have to listen to what they say rather than just watching the fight scenes. If you watched it and listened to it, you'd prolly think otherwise.

NoCarrier 05-22-2003 03:58 PM
I understand that some people might be disappointed. The story is very hard to understand at first, but trust me, this is not a sequel. Do not expect the same things. This is a trilogy, not sequels. The story is moving forward and I applaude them for the way it ended in part 2. The Wachowski brothers constructed a fabulous story and if you think and analyse it deeply, for the science fiction genre, this is a masterpiece. Of course the action rocks, but the story is amazing. I find it strange that people here who have the knowledge seem to be lost..

Not everyone will watch and understand the movie the way it was meant to be.. Most people will say something like:

"FUCK MAN THE STORY SUCKED BUT THAT FREEWAY SCENE WAS FUCKING COOL!!!!"

Greg N 05-22-2003 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by NoCarrier
I understand that some people might be disappointed. The story is very hard to understand at first, but trust me, this is not a sequel. Do not expect the same things. This is a trilogy, not sequels. The story is moving forward and I applaude them for the way it ended in part 2. The Wachowski brothers constructed a fabulous story and if you think and analyse it deeply, for the science fiction genre, this is a masterpiece. Of course the action rocks, but the story is amazing. I find it strange that people here who have the knowledge seem to be lost..

Not everyone will watch and understand the movie the way it was meant to be.. Most people will say something like:

"FUCK MAN THE STORY SUCKED BUT THAT FREEWAY SCENE WAS FUCKING COOL!!!!"

I gotta agree with you there on all points. I think that most people can't comprehend the story at all really.... it will take multiple viewings of the movie for people to understand the true genius of this trilogy. I thought it was great. There were a few parts I thought didn't need to be there, but all movies can't be 100 percent perfect. I can't wait for the last installment of this masterpiece to come out. :thumbsup :thumbsup

Trolleater 05-22-2003 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi


Sure.
The Matrix 2 plot completely eluded me. All i saw was a number of nicely done unrelated scenes: fighting, shooting, carchase; and some crappy scenes: dancing, sex, dialogs.
If you couldn't pay attention and understand the second one, how did you ever get through the first movie and understand it

:S

It was one of the best sequels I've ever watched. Couldn't really ask for anything more.

JohnV 05-22-2003 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by DarkJedi
What a letdown.
Pure crap.
Agreed. The movie was lame as hell. Can't even compare to great flicks like Lord of the Rings...shit, it was not even close to being as good as the first Matrix.

Raven 05-22-2003 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Trolleater


If you couldn't pay attention and understand the second one, how did you ever get through the first movie and understand it

:S

It was one of the best sequels I've ever watched. Couldn't really ask for anything more.
Excellent movie. Multi layered.

And...the freeway scene DID rock!

JohnV 05-22-2003 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Greg N



I think that most people can't comprehend the story at all really.... it will take multiple viewings of the movie for people to understand the true genius of this trilogy. :thumbsup :thumbsup
yeah, it was real difficult to follow *sarcasm*....good thing your sitting right outside my office so I can throw a chair at you for being so slooooow minded:winkwink:

Greg N 05-22-2003 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by JohnV


yeah, it was real difficult to follow *sarcasm*....good thing your sitting right outside my office so I can throw a chair at you for being so slooooow minded:winkwink:

LOL

Damn flying chairs. I think you broke my nose.... I feel like Geraldo Rivera now. :mad:

Lane 05-22-2003 05:17 PM
here is some good explanations

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Ok all, first I am going to try to clarify the basic argument I see here and then add my ow evidence. The Matrix within the Matrix idea makes alot of sense. First we know the architect is telling the truth about this being the sixth (or at least not the first Matrix). We know this because there are all the programs that have taken a life of their own within the Matrix. If it were the first Matrix there would be very few of these programs such as Oracle, Mirovigian, the twins, etc.

I think that the Matrix is much bigger then we are led to believe in the first one. We now see all these residual old programs. If these programs are in fact old ones that avoided being deleted by the system as Oracle tells Neo then we would expect them to be somewhat powerful (which they are) and also to have some ulterior motives. We would think these programs are trying to regain power.

Now, I think the Matrix within the Matrix idea is right. Evidence for this:
1. Architect tells Neo 1% of people hve some itch (the itch they talk about in part one when they free Neo from the Matrix) and recognize choice and so reject the Matrix. The Zion Matrix so to speak is where these people are sent and they believe it to be the real world. But in fact it is the layer meant to handle them and keep these people from destroying the main layer of the Matrix. It is in essence a subsystem.
2. The One is one of these people who somehow gains greater power. This power is recognized if not created by the machines and is used to flush the system.
3. What I think happens is this. These people reject the Matrix and so are freed into the subsystem which is the Zion resistence program. Here they believe they are out of the Matrix so never realize it is indeed more of the Matrix and not freedom. Anyway, I think more and more of these people are freed into the subsystem and then as the numbers get larger the machines start to worry that perhaps one of them will figure it out or just that the deviant population is too large. When this happens they flush the subsystem and start over. That is the ones job. Zion is flushed, all the rebels are killed except for a small group which begins the process again. The machines have to let some people live to recruit the people who are rejecting the program or else the Matrix could fail.
4. Anyway, it seems to me the Zion subsystem is like the ultimate safety valve. They get people out of the main system who could ruin it and then still have them under control. They kill them whenever the numbers get to large. Remember in the movie when Morpheus says that they have freed more people in the last 6 months then they did in the past 6 years. Obviously Zion begins to get to big and them it is time to get rid of it and start over. The machines can't simply kill all the rebels or they have nothing to do with people who feel the itch and reject the program.


More evidence of the Matrix within the Matrix:

1. Agent Smith goes into the supposed real world in Bane's body. How could a computer program actually go into the real world? I think it is impossible. So, more likely Smith has realized that the supposed real world is in fact the Zion subsystem and thats how he can move into it in Bane's body. He is actually still in the Matrix.

2. Trinity's death. If Trinity really died in real life I don't think Neo could save her. She did not really die however, she only died in the Zion subsystem. Neo's love is so great he is able to bring her back to life. I also think this is where Neo realizes that the real world is only another Matrix. More on this below.

3. Zion: How could there be 6 real Zion's and no one has ever found evidence of the previous ones. Also, if the world is in such ruins how the hell can they keep finding the equipment and know how the build all the machines that run Zion. The ones Neo and the councillor watch and talk about. It seems more obvious the machines set all this up in this subsystem program and then leave it for the next group to find (the group The One chooses.)

None of this is definitive but all this evidence leads down a trail that seems to show the Matrix within the Matrix.

So where does Neo fit in?

Neo is obviously the latest incarnation of The One. He is supposed to help the machines reset the Zion subsystem according to the architect. This would make sense. With his powers he would choose the new people to repopulate Zion but also his power would allow such a small group of humans to function and be able to find new people rejecting the system.

This is supposed to be The One's role, and I believe that in this the Architect is telling the truth.

Neo however is about to throw a wrench into the system. I think that Neo has somehow been able to either amass more power, or use his powers more effectively then any "The One" who has come before him. Evidence: Remember when Mirovigian says to Neo that he is not so powerful and then has 5 or 6 guys all start shooting at once. Neo stops all the bullets and Mirovigian is amazed, like he has more power. Also, at the end of the fight after Neo kills all the henchmen Mirovigian says to Neo, "you are more powerful then the others but I have survived them and I will survive this time." Then Mironvigian runs away from Neo. Evidence 2: One thing people seem to forget. Trinity did die. She is shown flatlining and is dead. The architect is right Neo can not save her. Except, I think Neo then amazes even the architect, he has somehow become so powerful that he can manipulate the Matrix and bring Trinity back to life.

In the end when Neo kills the Sentinels I think he is using his new found knowledge (he got from talking to the architect and saving Trinity.) He has realized that the real world is in fact just another part of the Matrix and so can feel the machines and control them. I think the coma is the result of this. I think he simply processes so much information at once, and comes to such a profound discovery that his mind needs to shut down to process it. Also, if he realizes the Matrix is in the Matrix maybe he is experiencing some negative feedback from his real body somewhere.

Sorry this is so long, but I think it will be helpful to all. It seems to me there is alot of evidence that the real world is a subsystem of the Matrix. All of this evidence together seems to show this.

Trolleater 05-22-2003 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by JohnV


Agreed. The movie was lame as hell. Can't even compare to great flicks like Lord of the Rings...shit, it was not even close to being as good as the first Matrix.
It was a great sequel....but how can you expect it to be as good as the first one. The first one's where you got the main story and the idea...you can't compare them.

You have to look at it as how it continues and follows the story, etc.


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