DO NOT read if you haven't seen the Matrix
 

I am not sure if too many people truly understand what this movie is
actually saying, so I will try to explain it for those that don't get what
they just saw. The first thing I recommend is that you try to remove your
ego, people all have them - so they believe that the movie must be about
people. But actually it is about software and mainframe code. The main
computer has been caught in a loop cycle for 5 iterations, and it is trying
to find a variance that will break this cycle by utilizing a random bit
anomaly piece of software (Neo), to allow it to fully complete its cycle.
It has tried this before, but has always failed and in its attempts. It is
trying to factor in all variables of its program to make absolute sure of
complete success before it attempts to actually implement the complete
procedure, like an good piece of software (debugging iteself - "it is the
why that is important"). Beta software waiting to go gold. The only factor
that was not counted on was an anomaly of two programs intersecting and one
becoming a self-replicating virus bent on absolute destruction (Smith), and
the anomoly (Neo) complementing his program with protectorate software.
This is a brilliant movie, that once you wrap your head around, is really
just an ultimate version of Tron with no human watchers (Jeff Bridges), of
a computer SuperNoc running through a simulation with all possible factors
being worked first, before it initializes the program for real. If Neo
completes his role and meets his ultimate purpose as software, then our
hero allows the computer to see all variances that it will need to contend
with, so that it can fully implement the real program on our world. Matrix
- main base operating system. Zion - secondary operating system for
software that can no longer can function in main sytem - but can be
utilized to build new a matrix system. Neo - Random bit anomaly software
for breaking loop cycle ñ utilized by the Oracle and Architect software to
be a random variable to upgrade itself ñ upgraded with protectorate code
from Smith (Anti-Virus). Trinity - complement software to aid in Neo's
completion of purpose. Morpheus and crew - collector programs for mainframe
to try to enable the end of the loop cycle. Architect - Mainframe operating
system. Oracle - old Macro Software that has been part of all 5 iterations
of the loop and can see all variances. Oracle's Protector - Mainframe hard
code software. Merovingian - old Neo that did not fully implement objective
in beta 5.0. Merovingian's wife - old trinity code. Twins, and
Merovingian's guards - old base black ice protector code. Head Counselor in
Zion - Advisor for Mainframe that advises Neo along his upgrade to not
touch the main bios (engineering) systems. Key Maker - come on now, to
easy, a simple keygen. Smith - self-replicating virus - now capable of
moving to either system infused with anomaly code from Neo. I truly loved
this movie and it is so amazingly deep compared to the first if you know
what it really happening. I hope this helps anyone who walked out of the
theater like 95% of the crowd I saw it with, scratching their heads
thinking, "What the fucK, that was stupid I don't get it." I am stating
that what I am saying is absolute, but if you watch the movie and listen to
what they all truly are saying it seems pretty obvious. Be wary all, your hero is our destruction, enjoy

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spam? you must be on crack !

Why did you spoil it?:feels-hot

$20 says someone who hasnt seen the movie yet, WILL indeed read this thread.
Its just human nature, predictable as a clock.

So if you do read this, and you were one of those that bitched and cried because of my matrix thread, Stop Crying now.



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hahaha,

case and point.

I second that !

:Graucho

Krosh I couldn't have put any better. Your on the money

Krosh,

Thanks bro! Awesome breakdown. Made me appreciate the movie even more! :thumbsup

someones $20 richer....

waddup Krosh? where you been lately? you chaos & I need to go out again soon. :winkwink:

Krosh, thanks a lot. That made a lot of sense. How did you come to the conclusion that Zion was a secondary OS, and if it is, where does everything actually exist? All the humans connected to the matrix are in the "Real World" where Zion is. No?

Is everything just a computer program?

I'm a month away from getting my computer science degree.

I think the stuff you just wrote contains too many misused terms. And personally I would not try think everything in the movie as software.

Sorry, right now I'm too lazy to point out every single thing that I disagree with you, cuz I wanna gonna go grab my dinner now.

I repect your attempt to think this way though, but you should combine software and reality in your philosophy, instead going to the extreme to explain every single thing as software related.

peace

sounds ghey

DUDE

what's up? let's do it ...name the time and place and i am there :)

it's starting to look that way. I think #3 will determine that. If you recall at the end of the movie Neo had super powers and he was not connected to the matrix. ..... we'll have to wait and see :Graucho

having a degree means dick. :2 cents:

his terminology wasn't far off and everything he said made sense, if hes right hes right, if not, oh well. there are going to be tons of theories on this movie for months, we all just have to wait for the conclusion to see who was right.

I think it was a great breakdown

thanks Alky :glugglug

stfu,
wow u have a degree and think like the other hundred people around u when u could have just read a book for:

$20
or
spend thousands on a degree,

wait ur tryin to sound like ur smart.

nice it made alot of sense now,

those fuckers kept on blabbing their mouths,,

only part i like was when that guy said he like to cuss in french cuz its like "wiping your ass with silk"

that part was funny as hell.. he put ALL the ommon french swear terms in one LONG sentense. It was pretty creative actually.

where did all the paragraphs go?

right, that's the purpose of a degree in science isn't it? too bad i don't agree with everything he said. guess i must have wasted the past 4 years and the thousands of dollars.

get a fucking life. i only pointed out the misuse of the terms that i am familiar with thru my education.
of course, if you don't exactly know the meaning of a term, you can't know if it is used at the wrong place, so i don't expect you to comprehend my point.

yes i am smart, and it's proven, got a problem with that?

what terms did he misuse?

first of all, think about this..

the first post looks to me like written by a programmer from the 70's. this movie is happening in a time with much higher technology. computer concepts are changing and will be very different by then. my best guess would be that they would be using neural systems just like our brains do.

most of the terms don't mean shit at the machine level (like variable, iteration, etc..). these are human created concepts to make programmers life easier so they can write more complex code before it can be translated to the machine language, which is only a stream of bits between the processor and the memory. these concepts are all assumed by the basic architectural model of the computer which hasnt changed over the decades.

AI people are doing lots of research on producing new computer systems which will work very differently than what we have now. (neural systems, dna computers etc..)
today's machines can do simultaneous jobs limited by the number of proccessors for gods sake. a real advance AI system will never be produced until they make a sytem to achieve much greater parallellisim.

I just don't see todays programming concepts applying to a world where AI is advanced enough to take over the human race.

Nicely written KRosh.

You could have written the bible or you could easily be one of the folks writing the stories in Christian Science Monitor that correlates current events with what bible prophecies say. That's basically the same thing you did for the movie.

Still, I really think you have a nice explanation.

wake up people

The matrix is in another matrix. This movie would not go as far as granting Neo supernatural powers in the real world. Haven't you seen how he could feel the machines coming and stop them in the 'real' world? This let him to realize the fact that there are layers of matrix and shocked him into a coma.

It is is possible that the architect was lying but there was a lot of truth behind it.
He mentioned that this is the 6th version of this whole thing and zion was rebuilt 5 times. I don't see this possible. I think zion is also a creation of these machines to give the illusion of freedom to that 1% of people who did not exactly accept the excistence of the matrix and were supposedly waken up.
One of my guesses is that there is a real zion outside of the bigger matrix, which the machines have tried to simulate inside to try to collect more statistical info so they would figure out how the destroy it. I don't think the real zion has been rebuilt 5 times, it was only the images that have.
Remember that Neo said how oracle wasn't actually telling all truth? The oracle doesn't exactly tell the future. She has just seen the previous versions and knows what's gonna happen next from experience. But at the end, this 6th version makes a choice beyond the expectations of the machines and goes through the left door and is able to save trinity. Because this time he did not follow his logic but his emotions.


anyway, this is just a movie, and it's just produced by a bunch of smart people. nevertheless , its a masterpiece. I think I'll just wait to see the next one whithout thinking much further than this, where i am maybe just wrong anyway.

talked with jeff earlier, he said he was down to go see some titties & drink beer tonite out in the valley. sound good to you?

Cant read it, my eyes go cross eyed..

If the real world (Zion, Neo, etc.) is another Matrix then the film series is in danger of going to a very bad place. When a screenplay relies on the ?it was all a dream story line? then they have just run out of ideas and are just milking the box office.

Matrix was one of the best films I had ever seen. Reloaded was not.:(

interesting. I figured that the old guy with the beard in Zion was the previous "one", or "one" number 5.

I think Zion is in the real world, and not a secondary matrix... I think the traitor who tries to hurt Neo in Zion has something to do with the architect, he is a human planted in Zion to stop Neo.

It is confusing how Neo stopped the sentinels at the end, since he was only supposed to have super powers in the matrix. And the guy who spoke french in the movie had some powers inside the matrix, is he a human like Neo or just another program within the matrix like agent Smith?

nah, doesn't make sense. he wouldnt be talking like that if he was.

There was a scene where two guys were getting ready to transfer back using the phone. One of them did, and the agents jumped in through the window and smith copied himself into the other guy. the phone rang, he picked it up, and he transfered to zion. since he is a program, zion must also be a simulation so that he is able to walk around like human. and he wanted to kill neo.

as i said before, i don't think they will make neo have supernatural powers in the real life. That is why he said "there is something wrong. I can feel them." and he stopped them. I am not sure why exactly he passed out, we will probably find that out in the 3rd episode.

that french guy is a program, that already had dealt with previous versions of neo , and this time he was amazed that he now has the power to stop bullets.

the best explanation i've seen so far:

wow, you and krosh saw right through all of this. I have a programming background and it even slipped by me!

krosh and lane, thanks for the posts ... i surely apreciate the plot alot more now.

One thing that makes me think the real world is REAL is agent smith becoming human through Bane.. Remember when Bane cuts his own hand to feel pain for the first time? to bleed, to be truly alive and human.. If he knew the "real" world was also fake, why would he do that?

maybe he didnt know. it's agent smith, who is trying to get out of matrix as well, and had just discovered the second layer by transferring through the phone

You don't understand, why would he cut his own hand if he knew this was just another layer?

i just got a email that says i can get a bigger penis, do i beleive it?

dunno.. not sure if it has to do with it... maybe he has some sort of psycho character.. he wanted to kill neo with that knife

but still, look at all the other obvious evidence, rather than that little detail

hmm. I think I'll have to see it again with this matrix within the matrix viewpoint in mind. It seems like the best way so far to explain how neo kills the sentinels at the end.

Trust me, that little detail is really important. It gives important strength "against" the matrix inside the matrix theory. That scene is important, if not, it would be part of a director's cut on DVD. Every scene is important to the story. If they left that scene in the original cut, it has importance.

The fact remains, Bane cut his own hand to feel humain pain in the real world (because it's the 1st time and became human). It this was another Matrix, he wouldn't even give it a try.

maybe it's a feature of the secondary matrix? so that people can believe that they are in the real world.

if he was human, how the hell was he the only survivor of the attack?

Maybe he gained powers like Neo at the end.

maybe cause he's on the side of the machines?
remember they mentioned someone let an EMP go too early?

i don't believe him having those powers in a real world. its a science fiction, not fantasy.

then why would he say "there is something wrong. I can feel them."? it's wrong for him to have the powers in the real world. so it is not real.

i know but this doesnt prove that its not another matrix.

besides, he is not on either side anymore, he has disconnected from the system. now he is one of the malfunctioning programs that the oracle was talking about. he is after his own freedom.

just the last scene itself, where neo stops those machines, is enough evidence for me that it's not a real world..

anyway, just cant wait to see the 3rd episode.. whats so great about this movie is that people can throw many different ideas and argue them, like we are right now. they have come up with some great philosophical story.

yeah
when he stopped the machines, it was obvious that it is not a real world


prolly it is matrix in the matrix in the matrix or something..hehe

Maybe Neo got upgraded with a bluetooth device

Nice explanation guys but I just got back from the movvie and thought it sucked. It wasn't even sold out on friday night at 8pm. I loved the first move but the end was horrible. They should be embarrased. The fight scenes were repetitious and boring. I even saw people walk out.

You just do not end a movie like that, even to lead into another. Complete the chapter for my $8.50, damit!

Mitch

fucking nerds!