Read this?
 

Some very interesting points.

http://www.theadultwebmaster.com/eve..._protect.phtml

The one I liked was that the industry could put up a pop up on the site telling people what they are doing to this industry. If we could motivate the millions that surf our site to vote against them then they would leave us alone.

Amazing, a post regarding one of the most important issues to hit the adult internet industry just gets ignored.

I for one want to do something about it.

Maybe some of these masters of design can design some nice flash banners that some of these traffic masters can put on their sites.

There's enough traffic in this industry, enough surfers, enough eyes that something could be done.

People may not go out and actively rally against some anti-porn bill hidden by a protect the children bill, but when they get behind that curtain to pull the lever they just may vote with their dicks.

Seriously...maybe some slogans like this:


Save porn on the net!

Protect your first amendment rights!

Save free speech on the net!

When you vote think with your dick and save porn!

I am all FOR it.... :321GFY

Why not just avoid the whole ordeal altogether?

You know how they have .us, .biz, .net extensions?

Just have all adult sites from this point on be .prn extension or something.

This way, it's black and white.

.prn is porn, and everything else is everything else.

I wonder if whoever regulates this would be coordinated enough to switch over, or give rights to the .com domains to the ".prn" extensions....

Hmm.

Why?

did you read the link?

It's all about misleading domains and such.

This way, you could have a misleading domain, all over the place, but as long as it's a ".prn" extension, everything would be gravy.

It would be established that .prn meant porn, so there could be NO confusion about it.

I don't need to read the link to know that I don't like the idea of designated adult extensions.

If we do that, we might as well start monitoring all domain extensions better. Did you know com extensions were meant for commercial sites? And net extensions were meant for networks? And of course, org were meant for organizations.

Let's crack down on all the foreign domain registration as well. Blokes should stop buying com extension domains, they have co.uk...

why not .xxx instead of .prn?

ok. I was just suggesting a solution to the problem, to avoid legal problems.

and .xxx is fine too, whatever would work.

Sly by doing this we immediately let the surfer know he's going to a porn site.

The interested guy will hit the link, the uninterested will not.

It will save on your bandwidth bill if nothing else. Or do you think you can persuade 1 in 100,000 of those misled into hitting on a porn site into signing up?

Another thing would be to make the search engines identify us as porn sites. Perhaps by sticking a logo next to us.

Let's do what shops do, in most civilised countries, lets have a sign that says in someway;

PORNO HERE!

So before they hit our sites, they know what they are going to.

This will take away from the US goverment one of it's biggest arguments. That we are invading innocent people's computers.

The problem with this industry is there are so many webmasters that will do anything and everything to beat the system. They'll try and steal traffic. Try and fuck sponsors. Fuck other webmasters by copying designs and marketing techniques. There are no traditional business morals in the porn biz.

I don't think we'll ever have a clean house. Too many scammers on the Net now and I don't see an effective way to stop them.

That is why we are such easy targets.

There is a way to clean it up.

We are legislated till it hurts or we do it ourselves.

Simply draw up rules about how we do business.
Then refuse to use hosts, sponsors, affiliates, TGP, AVS companies, etc. who do not play by the rules.
It will then hurt most in the pocket and they will conform.
I'm a member of APIC and have to abide by their rules to get them to protect my copyrights. I know you do not like them but it's the principal of having rules and sticking to them.

What it needs is someone with the organistion skills to run it, someone who can't make it as a porn webmaster but can make it as a "Union Organiser"

Think of the power it would have against the goverment and cock suckers like Acacia.

But KRL has a very good point. When you have big successful companies run by kids fresh out of college, they actually think this is the wild west where they can do as they like.

Just saw this and again interesting.

http://xbiz.com/articles/index.php?article_idp=520

You know, the "union organizer" thing is something I've thought about quite a bit. It's funny that you say that.

I have a few ideas, but the only problem is that the only time a large group of semi-influential people want to organize for anything it's to claim affiliation with a made-up GFY "family" that does'nt really do anything constructive for the industry.

You either have to threaten or influence to motivate people to collectively do anything. Unfortunately in this industry, everyone's so worried about the short term concerning their own pockets, that it's hard for them to see the forest for the trees.

I have to admit, I even feel the same way for the most part, I'm sure that if I followed my instinct and jumped on the bandwagon years earlier, I would be able to afford to horse around with something like this.

Now? I won't fuck with it if it won't benefit me financially.

I suppose this'll change as I accumulate more money.

I think the point tho' KRL is who cares what the scammers are doing?

That's why laws like this are made. To go after the shit heels who are intentionally misleading people to their sites by picking such domains as (the most obvious) whitehouse.com, or by inserting keywords like Backstreet Boys into their text.
About 2 years ago my niece stumbled across some porn sites after doing a search for one of the guys in the Backstreet Boys. She used both his first name and last name, nothing but porn came up.

I want to be able to run my site knowing full well I'm in compliance with the law (and not some vague law) and have no need to fear prosecution for running a simple porn site.

I think an adult extension would help solve this problem. Would it clear up things 100%? No. Nothing will. But if it ensures I can continue to do business without fear of jail time then I'm all for it.

Edited to add: I'm all for fighting this bullshit law as well. However, it's going to be costly for someone that first group of wm's who get prosecuted. I'm sure careers, and businesses will be lost over a law that will surely get turned over in the supreme court.

Adult extension would cause worse problems like being able to have ISP's that filter out porn altogether simply.

Then the husband has to argue we can't use earthlink cause they uh suck but we can use BlahNet...

Maybe you think they wouldn't block porn, but then again why would paypal drop porn? or you might say well look at all the bandwith places that host porn... Ms housewife 2000 doesn't know that but she sure as hell will know when she reads in the paper that porn sites have been moved to .xxx and that
certain providers block that automatically.

People will vote with their pocket book and go to the provider that allows access to adult extensions.

ISP's already have the option of limiting your choice of newsgroups. Every ISP I've had has anywhere from 30,000-80,000 newsgroups, and tons of porn.

This is

A) good for the economy
B) Safer from a legal standpoint for us.

How would it be a bad thing? We lose married men whose housewives monitor their internet experiences?

Am I wrong to think this is the same kind of customer that never buys because they're afraid wifey will find out about a certain CC purchase?

And let's not forget the parents who don't want their children to view porn.

Now we're legal AND we're not wasting bandwidth.

Hmm.

I can't believe people would be for this, you think it's bad that Ibill now requires CVV2, this will cause 50-75% drop in revenue!

RawAlex and I hashed out the .xxx extention debate about a month ago over on the Pond. Me for, him against.
He had some interesting points to think about:

I know that's a lot to read but you need context to make his case, and copy/paste doesn't preserve formatting.
If you want to look up the discussion with everyone's replies, he starts his side of the issue at message #211548 on the Pond's main board.

Damn, and there I thought I had come up with a legitimate original idea for once that would revolutionize the industry as we know it.

Oh well, back to work.

Yes it sounded like a good idea at first. That is why boards are so important.

Pity I did not stick a picture of some lame ass bird with a banana in her pussy, then the thread might stay at the top.

Sed reflection on our industry, this board or both?

We are seriously under fire and what is more imprtant to the guys that make there living in this business?

What Could I do to help? I like the idea about making banners I can make a dozen banners or so, if somone would be willing to make up the webpages with the best spelling,grammer to let everyone know what we are up against! *shrugs* This is scary shit, and something not to play around with, I for one dont want to goto jail and meet bubba, If I liked it in the pooper I would be screwing men and taken pic's of it! FUCK THAT.

TOM

There are large TGP site owners with millions of hits a day. What are they going to do ? I'll wait and see.

Simple.

It's a post by charly with no indication what it's about other than 'Read This ?'

This thread has had plenty of page views which indicates enough people have read this thread but choose not to respond.

Even if only 1/3 of that is "unique" we've still had only about 10 wm's respond with their ideas or thoughts on this issue.

I think the problem is that not enough people understand the seriousness of this issues or how it WILL impact their business.

The government is looking for a chink in our armor. They have hit pornographers head on, but have lost important cases due to 1st amendment issues.

So they'll keep prodding, and poking until they find that weak spot, that may not cause instantaneous death, but will mortally wound us. The problem is we won't be hemoragging blood, but money. And even after all the talk about cars, houses on this board, I wonder how many rounds most of these guys on this board could go.


Also Paul I think as you stated earlier that there are a lot of young people in this industry who have made some good money and feel like they are living in the wild wild west.

I also think there are a lot of people in this industry who only see it as a temporary offshoot on their path to mainstream.

This is something to pay for the partying they do in college while they get a degree so they can find a "real" job.

So if porn disappears tomorrow, for some it's no big deal.

But for those of us who have made it their career choice, that's a whole other ball game.

eroswebmaster
Yes I agree about the students, but these will be the first to go and the last to care. As you said it's us with families and commitments that have to get organised.

Brujah
And the other posts says "Dumb tart with a banan in her pussy?" Just because you do not like the way I post, or even the way I express myself, what about the message?

Charly it wasn't so much about the contents of your post, as to the title with a link to read information elsewhere about something.

Something like:

Read this ?

This site has a good article. You should read it.
(insert link to some site here)



First instinct was to wait and just come back to it later when someone else actually clicked over, did some reading and commented on it. Then I'd know what it was about and why I might want to read it.

About the actual message now...

Interesting idea. Let's see if the TGP owners who give away all the free porn will add anything or not.

I don't think it should be left up to just the tgp owners, this affects everyone in this business even paysites.

Not just them. But lets see if any of them take the lead or set an example that they believe something like this should be done. Or lets see if any of the larger site owners will do the same.

Or is it yet another of the hundreds of henny penny articles popping up because it's dramatic and people will talk about so your resource site traffic will grow ? You know, the kind that newbies love to icq and email about while the larger players don't think it's worth bothering with.