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  • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2011
    • 3893

    #1

    Business Client is not Paying / Beware

    In my opinion the client is always RIGHT even when he/she is not.

    I have had the pleasure to meet wonderful business people on this board. People that I do business with knowing that we give occasionally content for free, including discounts. And I am grateful to do business with them since they always pay on time and respect inital agreements.

    10 months ago a guy called Harry ([email protected]), GFY name https://gfy.com/members/hmpd/ got it touch with our manager.

    They needed 16k + videos processed meaning: writing titles, tags, actresses, studios, categories and cover selecting for each video. The reason we accepted working for only 0.25 usd/vids is because he said that there will be a lot of videos that we will have to skip (mark as poor). This was price under any reasonable rate not to mention that there were times when the script didn't load properly so processing videos was taking much longer than expected.



    Anyone working with these types of videos knows how time-intensive they can be and how much attention they need. So our price was beyond fair.


    We agreed to accept payments after the completion of every 2k vids because I like to build strong relationships with my clients based on mutual trust. He never aids on time. All payments except the first one were late anywhere from 10-20 days. Once I had to send an email saying that if he does not pay I will post it on GFY and he eventually paid.

    This last time - after we processed 16k + videos doing all mentioned work above, writing titles, tags, actresses, studios, categories and cover selecting for each video, we did a batch of 6k+ videos that were mixed, some required only cover selecting. 4k out of the last batch of 6k+ videos were paid without comment or complaint. So when I requested payment for the last batch of 2k videos, I had to send a reminder 10 days later since he rarely responds and never pays on time. He came back to me saying we should recalculate the payment for the last 4223 videos (including the current 2000) without reason.

    The rate of 0.25 usd/vid was agreed on from the beginning, and the last batch we worked on WAS THE ONLY reason we accepted to do business for this shitty rate at the beginning being that here would be ones that only require covers.

    Who does business where they think they can change the part of the deal AFTER job is complete. You can't just choose the rate you want to pay and then apply it retroactively. He never mentioned anything like this while the job was being done.

    For me $500 usd is a ridiculous amount to bitch about. That's not the point - the point is to warn people from doing business with SHADY cheats. Normally, I would let it go. But IF my manager has to send payment reminders regularly, and IF payment is delayed 15-20 days, and IF someone is so RUDE to try to rip you off like this, then the community needs to know to avoid this asshole.

    I don't try to make money off client's mistakes. I was open to negotiate even though he admitted he made a mistake on the deal and just wanted to change it (will post screenshot if needed)
    This kind of lying and cheating needs to be called him out so no one gets fucked over like he tried to do to us. Stay safe!

    Threads:
    https://gfy.com/gfy-jobs-and-service...developer.html
    https://gfy.com/gfy-jobs-and-service...t-manager.html

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  • adultchatpay
    Let's Make Money
    • Dec 2008
    • 8775

    #2
    Had some content writing work done by Biggie.. and he delivers perfectly. Sad to hear about this rip off.
    Bump for you mate!

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    • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2011
      • 3893

      #3
      Originally posted by adultchatpay
      Had some content writing work done by Biggie.. and he delivers perfectly. Sad to hear about this rip-off.
      Bump for you mate!
      Thanks budd

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      • ruff
        I have a plan B
        • Aug 2004
        • 5499

        #4
        If you are still holding the vids, you might consider that you own them now.
        CryptoFeeds

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        • plsureking
          bored
          • Aug 2003
          • 4920

          #5
          it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

          he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



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          • digitalfantasies
            Confirmed User
            • Sep 2010
            • 2755

            #6
            Originally posted by plsureking
            it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

            he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



            #
            Bullshit if he was unhappy he should have negotiated a new deal before letting someone process 2000 vids.

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            • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2011
              • 3893

              #7
              Originally posted by plsureking
              it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

              he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



              #
              You can defend a cheater if you want, but delaying payments, and changing the rules AFTER work is done and delivered, without warning or asking for a new rate is BAD BUSINESS. Randomly and unilaterally deciding not to pay for work that was outlined, agreed to and accepted is just pure fraud. If your team is too lazy to check work and do QA and give us feedback. That’s on you. It’s trying to snake out a deal that was delivered fairly and on time as we do for all clients without any prepayment. We trusted you - you broke that trust. The money paid previously was for work done and delivered as requested. We didn’t get it for free. NO ONE SHOULD DO BUSINESS WITH LIARS AND UNPRINCIPLED PEOPLE AS YOU. Everyone on GFY knows our long and reputable work history, it’s cons like you that need to pointed out so no one else gets fucked over.

              Cheers

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              • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
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                • Aug 2011
                • 3893

                #8
                Originally posted by digitalfantasies
                Bullshit if he was unhappy he should have negotiated a new deal before letting someone process 2000 vids.
                Exactly

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                • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 3893

                  #9
                  Now its good to go

                  Originally posted by plsureking
                  you EARNED $3500, still OWES you $500 and you blasted him on gfy.


                  #

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                  • TBFS
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2015
                    • 333

                    #10
                    Originally posted by plsureking
                    it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

                    he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



                    #
                    This would be your loss then

                    I have been working with biggie for close to 1,5 years now.
                    He is someone that is both honest and hardworking, he is a pleasure to work with.

                    If a price is agreed upon, and you want to change the deal. You do so BEFORE the work is done/deliverd. not after.
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                    • blackmonsters
                      Making PHP work
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 21022

                      #11
                      Originally posted by plsureking
                      it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

                      he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



                      #
                      Fuck you.

                      Don't change the deal after the job is almost done.

                      Don't do the "End of job dance" where you fuck with the worker with extra task or whatever instead of making payment right away.

                      Fuck that shit.
                      That's the 1 and only reason that people say "my programmer disappeared".

                      We don't disappear; we just fuck you off forever for fucking with the payment when the job is done.

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                      • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 3893

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TBFS
                        This would be your loss then

                        I have been working with biggie for close to 1,5 years now.
                        He is someone that is both honest and hardworking, he is a pleasure to work with.

                        If a price is agreed upon, and you want to change the deal. You do so BEFORE the work is done/deliverd. not after.
                        Thanks for the kind words

                        Originally posted by blackmonsters
                        Fuck you.

                        Don't change the deal after the job is almost done.

                        Don't do the "End of job dance" where you fuck with the worker with extra task or whatever instead of making payment right away.

                        Fuck that shit.
                        That's the 1 and only reason that people say "my programmer disappeared".

                        We don't disappear; we just fuck you off forever for fucking with the payment when the job is done.

                        Couldn't agree more

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                        • celandina
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 11758

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Biggie Smalls Web Writing
                          In my opinion the client is always RIGHT even when he/she is not.

                          I have had the pleasure to meet wonderful business people on this board. People that I do business with knowing that we give occasionally content for free, including discounts. And I am grateful to do business with them since they always pay on time and respect inital agreements.

                          10 months ago a guy called Harry ([email protected]), GFY name https://gfy.com/members/hmpd/ got it touch with our manager.

                          They needed 16k + videos processed meaning: writing titles, tags, actresses, studios, categories and cover selecting for each video. The reason we accepted working for only 0.25 usd/vids is because he said that there will be a lot of videos that we will have to skip (mark as poor). This was price under any reasonable rate not to mention that there were times when the script didn't load properly so processing videos was taking much longer than expected.



                          Anyone working with these types of videos knows how time-intensive they can be and how much attention they need. So our price was beyond fair.


                          We agreed to accept payments after the completion of every 2k vids because I like to build strong relationships with my clients based on mutual trust. He never aids on time. All payments except the first one were late anywhere from 10-20 days. Once I had to send an email saying that if he does not pay I will post it on GFY and he eventually paid.

                          This last time - after we processed 16k + videos doing all mentioned work above, writing titles, tags, actresses, studios, categories and cover selecting for each video, we did a batch of 6k+ videos that were mixed, some required only cover selecting. 4k out of the last batch of 6k+ videos were paid without comment or complaint. So when I requested payment for the last batch of 2k videos, I had to send a reminder 10 days later since he rarely responds and never pays on time. He came back to me saying we should recalculate the payment for the last 4223 videos (including the current 2000) without reason.

                          The rate of 0.25 usd/vid was agreed on from the beginning, and the last batch we worked on WAS THE ONLY reason we accepted to do business for this shitty rate at the beginning being that here would be ones that only require covers.

                          Who does business where they think they can change the part of the deal AFTER job is complete. You can't just choose the rate you want to pay and then apply it retroactively. He never mentioned anything like this while the job was being done.

                          For me $500 usd is a ridiculous amount to bitch about. That's not the point - the point is to warn people from doing business with SHADY cheats. Normally, I would let it go. But IF my manager has to send payment reminders regularly, and IF payment is delayed 15-20 days, and IF someone is so RUDE to try to rip you off like this, then the community needs to know to avoid this asshole.

                          I don't try to make money off client's mistakes. I was open to negotiate even though he admitted he made a mistake on the deal and just wanted to change it (will post screenshot if needed)
                          This kind of lying and cheating needs to be called him out so no one gets fucked over like he tried to do to us. Stay safe!

                          Threads:
                          https://gfy.com/gfy-jobs-and-service...developer.html
                          https://gfy.com/gfy-jobs-and-service...t-manager.html
                          Anybody who "owns" 16,000 + videos is a crook and a thief... You ought to know that !

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                          • bloggerz
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 16253

                            #14
                            Originally posted by celandina
                            Anybody who "owns" 16,000 + videos is a crook and a thief... You ought to know that !
                            How so? ...
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                            • ry0t
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 4160

                              #15
                              The only thing good to ever come out of "marlboroacks's" mouth was "do you own the license to the videos to be doing this?" from this thread of your clients. Hiring Looking for content manager - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

                              I bet this guy doesnt own the rights to any of the videos and you've been working for a pirate the whole time.

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                              • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 3893

                                #16
                                Originally posted by celandina
                                Anybody who "owns" 16,000 + videos is a crook and a thief... You ought to know that !
                                Well, didn't know

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                                • CaptainHowdy
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Dec 2004
                                  • 94076

                                  #17
                                  Sorry to hear that. You're a great guy to deal with, Biggie.

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                                  • plsureking
                                    bored
                                    • Aug 2003
                                    • 4920

                                    #18
                                    you guys heard ONE side of the story. the only email from the client shown here was written before the project began. no statements backing up WHY he disputed the bill.

                                    the client paid 85% of his bill and had a dispute. it happens. i don't blast clients on gfy when they have a dispute or they're unhappy. that's unprofessional. you just advertised that this is what you do if a client has any type of dispute.

                                    he gave you good money and you posted his name here because you didn't get your last 15% payment - for whatever reason. i'd personally be happy with the $3500 and move on. however, that's just my personal opinion and professional standards.

                                    you disagree - great! that means the world is still working..


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                                    • blackmonsters
                                      Making PHP work
                                      • Nov 2002
                                      • 21022

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by plsureking
                                      you guys heard ONE side of the story.
                                      Yeah; but the other side of the story still says that the motherfucker didn't pay.

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                                      • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Aug 2011
                                        • 3893

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by plsureking
                                        i'd personally be happy with the c and move on.
                                        #
                                        Dude, we made $3500 over 10 months.

                                        Just sent him link of the thread

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                                        • Biggie Smalls Web Writing
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2011
                                          • 3893

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by CaptainHowdy
                                          Sorry to hear that. You're a great guy to deal with, Biggie.
                                          Thanks, Captain

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                                          • plsureking
                                            bored
                                            • Aug 2003
                                            • 4920

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                            Yeah; but the other side of the story still says that the motherfucker didn't pay.

                                            fair enough. i dont know the mofo lol



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                                            • King Mark
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Aug 2016
                                              • 27031

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by plsureking
                                              he gave you good money and you posted his name here because you didn't get your last 15% payment - for whatever reason. i'd personally be happy with the $3500 and move on. however, that's just my personal opinion and professional standards.

                                              you disagree - great! that means the world is still working..


                                              #
                                              That's a shitty way to do business, but that's your choice. Not everybody is cool with getting punked like that.

                                              A deal is a deal. Pay up.

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                                              • plsureking
                                                bored
                                                • Aug 2003
                                                • 4920

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by King Mark
                                                That's a shitty way to do business, but that's your choice. Not everybody is cool with getting punked like that.

                                                A deal is a deal. Pay up.
                                                "getting punked" - lost that client for sure, plus anyone he knows, and likely some future clients lurking here, over 15% of the bill. who got punked? any real-world company would knock 15% off a bill to keep a customer or client happy. ever complain at a restaurant? they'll knock off 50% to keep you off yelp.

                                                he did what he felt was right. i mentioned that i thought it was unprofessional. people called me names. another day in gfy paradise



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                                                • PornDiscounts-V
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                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                  • 5745

                                                  #25
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                                                  • BlueBookJosh
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Mar 2020
                                                    • 248

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by plsureking
                                                    it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

                                                    he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



                                                    #
                                                    My humble opinion that here's not question about money and how much money, the thing is that the dude screwed him over.

                                                    Also, he's not asking for something that wasn't pre agreed at first, he's asking for the agreed terms, negotiated at the beginning.

                                                    Also he should point at him, and post it here, I would do the same.

                                                    I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I don't know any of these two guys, just saying what's on my mind and not picking a side.

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                                                    • trevesty
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                      • 3810

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by plsureking
                                                      it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

                                                      he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



                                                      #
                                                      How do you figure? If Biggie is the one "marking them as poor", then he's still processing them. That costs him money and time.
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                                                      • Darkcrni
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jun 2007
                                                        • 1704

                                                        #28
                                                        Sorry to hear man, biz is biz, this guy should pay, no left or right!

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                                                        • celandina
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Jun 2006
                                                          • 11758

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by bloggerz
                                                          How so? ...
                                                          Simple math my Dear Watson :

                                                          1) producing ONE video (even the cheapest shit) = $ 800 x 16 K = 12,800,000
                                                          2) licensing ONE video ( even the cheapest shit) = $ 200 x 16 K = 3,200,000
                                                          3) stealing ONE video ( even the most expensive) = $ 0 x 16 K = 0

                                                          Buyer beware .....case closed

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