MindGeek - Montreal's porn giant is denounced
 

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The giant of pornography on the internet, the Montreal-based company MindGeek, is accused of taking advantage of the distribution of amateur porn videos without the permission of the people who appear there.

"In a matter of seconds, you can download amateur videos to MindGeek sites without the consent of the people there," says Kate Isaacs, a British activist behind a move called #NotYourPorn.

The lives of many women are destroyed, she says. Men can take revenge on their ex-partner by exposing their sexual antics and hackers spread personal content illegally obtained on smartphones.

The increasingly visible #NotYourPorn movement in the UK specifically targets MindGeek because of its dominant position in the industry. The Montreal-based company, whose head office is in Luxembourg for tax reasons, would control 80% of pornography on the internet.

"And everything suggests that MindGeek is benefiting from these videos," Kate Isaacs adds. The business model of its sites is similar to that of YouTube. Free content derives revenue from commercials broadcast before viewing.

The three main sites of MindGeek, YouPorn, Pornhub and RedTube, offer a category specific to these videos: "Leaked sex tape".

"There are videos that come from real leaks and expose the real names of the victims," she says.

The petition accompanying the #NotYourPorn movement calls on British officials to tighten laws to hold websites responsible for broadcasting without consent.


MindGeek did not respond to interview requests from QMI Agency.

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:eyecrazy Wondering if those ex BF or uploader/ channel owner will be prosecute ?

Well, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. This empire became great thanks to unregulated and pirated content, so it was high time someone to pay attention to this fact.:thumbsup

Nothing will happen.

I agree with you.

It's obvious that Mindgeek has allies in several Western governments.

Their start up capital came from 2 former Goldman Sachs bankers that administer the Fortress hedge fund.


The only question is "WHAT" service(s) are they providing these governments?

So what? Mindgeek offers a platform for users to upload content... just like Youtube. Its not their fault if some users decide to get revenge on ex-girlfriends. If Mindgeek's tubes weren't around, these guys would just upload them somewhere else.

Kate should focus on getting the guys uploading videos without consent into handcuffs and convicted with serious jail time instead.

Mindgeek will respond to subpoenas. Get the uploader's information and go after him and actually make a difference.

I suspect that's what she is doing. She needs to go after Mindgeek to get the uploaders info. Individual supeoners would be virtually impossible...

absolutely...


advertising is great when it´s free and the business can come out looking on top. :2 cents:

:2 cents:

Huh? You send a subpoena for every video featuring a victim to MindGeek. They comply and send you all info they have on each uploader.

Why would you need to "go after" Mindgeek for that info? You'll still need to collect the info on a case-by-case basis either way.

The message should be, "Don't appear on camera anything you're not willing to have shared."

Yeah, blame the victim - that works

These "platforms" are engaged in distribution. What's needed is a a 2257 law on these platforms.

Because the last I checked the shit would hit the fan if a DVD distributor didn't have all the required paperwork on a scene.

Now as far as I'm concerned the shit that the tube sites are getting away with speaks volumes about what's going on in our governments.

Yeah, but 'Nudes' (#SendNudes!) are the 'love currency' of today's youth. In your day, and also indeed in mine, you'd send your loved one a bunch of flowers, or perhaps a box of Chocolates to show you cared...

In todays age of smartphones and instant gratification, pooping into the restroom at the mall while out shopping, pulling up her top, or lifting up
her skirt and sending a sexy photo, has taken its place...

If the girls don't oblige, then they dont 'love' their BF... Its current societal norms that are to blame, not the girls themselves... :2 cents:

I don't think you understand how a platform works. Its a place where people come to upload their content and where other people go to watch it.

Mindgeek doesn't "distribute" anything. Its simply a point of connection between producers and visitors. You might call it a hub for porn if you will ;) The uploaders are the ones distributing the content and THEY need the 2257 paperwork (which is a US law only btw).



Here's an analogy to better understand: Imagine a network of public roads that delivery people use to transport merchandise back and forth to consumers. In this analogy, Pornhub is the company that builds the roads. Anyone can use them. No check-in system, no gates, just free roads made open to the public. Everything is funded with ad revenue generated by putting up billboards alongside the roads.

Now, if some of those delivery people decided to fill their car with illegal counterfeit handbags and to use those roads to distribute them, is it the road builder's fault? Is he suddenly in charge of determining the authenticity and legality of every single item being transported on their roads?

No. That's the police & government's job. It's their responsibility to regulate and prosecute offenders who use someone else's property to conduct illegal activities.

Obviously they did learn from the best...

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That analogy is comedy because the police=government=road_builder shut down roads all the time to stop illegal activity. The police stop people on the roads and search them for illegal materials.
If the police fail to respond to the need to control a road then they may be accused of negligence if something bad happens.
Extreme negligence can be criminal as in a manslaughter charge when someone is killed.

:2 cents:

The problem with your analogy is sites like Pornhub aren't roads - they're depots. Content is stored on their harddrives and accessed through their servers.

rogue designer
rogue uploader
was not us

etc

bought into it full scale i see.

i have personally lost a business do to the thieving going on in the porn industry. i will never inject a single dollar of my own into anything again in this business.
people willfully do business with people who decimated the industry.

slow golf clap

Well fucking DUH! Would like to also explain to me how to eat a Popsicle too?

I'm old but I'm not fucking stupid which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most people these days.


On that note...
These platforms are DISTRIBUTORS. IE: They're making porn available for the consumer.

It shouldn't make a difference if you burn an amateur DVD and stick it in a store or if you upload it to the Internet.

They should have been held to the same standards that the traditional jizz biz was. This was a serious no brainer so what the fucking is going on?

Here's the thing, you're missing the nuance between a distributor and a platform.

A distributor is an agent who supplies goods to stores and other businesses that sell to consumers. In this case, if Mindgeek were the distributor, all the content on their tubes would be added by them contacting content producers, picking out the content they want and making it available on their tube. Since they would be the ones curating the content, it would definitely be their responsibility to make sure all content is 2257 compliant, etc.

But that's not the case. It's the producers/users that go to Mindgeek and upload their content. When a user upload's content, its done under good faith that they have the rights to it.

That's the main difference. If you'd like to learn more about why platforms like Pornhub, Youtube, Soundcloud and others manage to legally operate this way, I recommend you read about the DMCA Safe Harbor laws.

And just for clarification, I'm not taking anybody's side here. I understand why loads of people have animosity towards tubes. However, this debate could be had over ANY site that allows user uploads.

Is it right? Should there be a better system in place to regulate content? I'm not debating any of that. I'm just trying to explain why going after the platform is, in this case, the wrong move.

Go after the scumbags uploading porn without the woman's decision. They are the root of the problem.

It's Pornhub's fault that you had a business fail? :1orglaugh

Markets change. Demographics change.

I wonder how many people who built wagons and carriages thought that Henry Ford was an evil SOB and blamed him for their own shortcomings. :2 cents:

There's no fucking nuance it's the same damn thing.

Tell you what...

Burn some DVDs using footage people sent you and go setup a kiosk and give the smut away for free. I would like to see how fucking long you last before the police shut you down.

It's just a game that's being played with "definitions" and regardless it still amounts to the same thing.

However I can understand how this generation get's fooled by such bullshit... It's a generation that can't figure out pee pee parts! After all a penis is now considered female genitalia.

Just because you don't understand the difference doesn't mean there isn't one.

Actually, the correct comparison would be: instead of someone burning DVDs and DISTRIBUTING them for free at a kiosk, they would setup a table in public where people could come and drop off porn DVDs they burned and for other users to pick up for free. They could call that table: DVDHub.

That's the difference between a distributor and a platform.

This is...not worth anybody's time.

Kate sounds like a typical man-hating feminist. :2 cents:

Exactly.

How many amateurs have recorded or written permission from their partners before uploading videos? I am sure none in 99% cases of amateur video uploads. That does not mean the partner did not agree to have their video published.

This means anyone can claim a video was uploaded without their permission, especially after the couple split with hatred towards each other... :2 cents:

Kate should focus on explaining dumb people the risks of appearing in a porn video of any kind.

So go ahead and do it and prove me wrong.

IN FACT I FUCKING DARE YOU TO DO IT!

I want to video it so I can laugh my ass off as you get arrested and try to explain in a court how you're not responsible for distributing smut...

They should do like for facebook: upload their videos of them naked. If the bot detect the content, it gets deleted.

Nah jk ;)

If someone pulls the tail of a tiger and gets bitten, I don't blame the tiger.

Is it as easy to upload to a PH as it is to upload to Youtube or do you need an account to be approved on PH?

Does PH ban users as quick as YT for breaking the rules?

Its as easy. Like Youtube, you just need to create an account. Last time I checked, there was no approval process before you could upload.

Let me give you a better analogy...

It is the same as a fencing operation from which stolen goods are sold. There may be a few " lost and found" items there, but not enough to defend them as " we did not stole anything and assumed the goods were all legit"

.....and if you want to stick to higways? Then just try to drive from Tijuana to San Diego with some contraband and see how far you'll get.:2 cents:

A thief is a thief regardless how you want to excuse it, and if you defending them you are not better then them.

thats right.

The domain names and the upstream providers are the roads and they KNOW illegal things are passing on those roads but do nothing about it as long as they get paid.

The real question here is.. "is the alleged victim really a victim just because he/she claims to be a victim?"

The answer is "no".

And the consent given / not given? Lol.. show me an amateur couple that push their videos online with written consent / agreement. There are none since they trust each other. That does not mean they cant split and hate each other a year after ..and claim a video was published without consent.

I thought PH needed to approve an uploader. We know they're lax about banning them for uploading pirated stuff.

But the law clearly needs changing. Not sure how without it effecting YT and Google calls the shots on that.

Even with that in mind there's no protection better than don't do anything in front of a camera you're not willing to share with the world. We've drummed it into our 17 year old daughter.

"...control 80% of pornography on the internet..."

Wow.

I guess that's what you get for thinking. Why even offer an opinion if you've never experienced the work flow?

Because people love to talk out of their ass but hate educating themselves on a subject.

:1orglaugh

7+ years posting as an expert on tubes, doesn't know if you need an account, then 3 posts later claims to have thought a different, but also wrong answer.

Gold.

Next week's episode: 'do you need an internet connection to look at websites in real time'

ps woman in OP is a fucking moron.