Europeans: do we need the USA as an "ally"?
 

do you feel we need the USA for anything at all really?...just curious what others think?...so far it seems that all we get from the USA is refugees, threats, sanctions, expenses for military crap etc...the ones the USA is "protecting" us from, boogeyman russia, are doing more for europe than the USA ever did...pooty defeated ISIS in a few months...for free...did not moan about it on TV like americans would have...did not ask for shit in return...

do we need the USA for shit?

When you say "We Europeans" which country in Europe are you from ?

Bosnia needed us thanks to the Serbs.

Oh, the good old days of Tito.

Just FYI, my uneducated friend: over 40% of Europe belongs to Russia. This makes Russia the the biggest European country. So when you say Europe, you mean Russia :pimp

100% yes. How much European & American blood has been spilled on the battlefield fighting along side each other over the years?. That shit has got to mean something. Britains politicians and newspapers would rather cosy up to Muslim countries where theyre all innocent victims and need us to save them. Then potray Russia in the background as the ultimate threat. Funny that its not Russias tying bombs to themselves and detonating them at concerts and in train stations. They are also not gang raping children in the hundreds in every city they get a foothold in. Are Russians turning London into a 3rd world shithole with gangs, stabbings, acid attacks and moped robberies?. Bitch all yous want but its true and yous all know it

Russia is not in the European Union

maybe so, but as an outsider when I think Europe.. Russia is not included, your a separate brainwashed society that brings nothing to the world.

Germany is Kaput

FYI: The European Union is not Europe. BTW, Russia is in the Eurasian Union which is a few times bigger than the EU (7,810,556 sq mi vs 1,728,099 sq mi). So what?

Who cares what an outsider thinks? When I think about the USA I also don't consider it as a part of America, because in my opinion it is just an area populated by European, Asian and African immigrants. For example, the population of Mexico and Latin America have some real native American (Indian) roots. The USA and Canada haven't and that's why I don't consider these countries as America.

P.S. Australia is the same thing as the USA and Canada. It has nothing to do with the natives and it turned into an immigrant zone.

Course not, Russians don't rape, don't bomb etc. But to be honest, Russians are another kind of threat to the Great Britain. I'm talking about Russian oligarchs that buy the London realty, make the prices rise up, take control over British business and even football teems. As a person who respects the identity of every country, I believe these should never be allowed to live in London. The regular engineers, programmers etc are ok. But Russian oligarchs are pure evil.

what battles are you talking about? the ones 70 years ago where the USA lost just as much men in WW2 as tiny shit hole yugoslavia? geeee what an effort...

Not sure if it was the right choice...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M6QIopgwuIU/hqdefault.jpg

The BBC story is called " A cradle of modern jihadism" ( in refernce to Bosnia)

Indeed:..but hence the question

https://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploa...vs-Men-Now.jpg

Interesting thread.

we had a peace deal singed on all 3 sides...then, suddenly, the USA gave support to separatists...then, suddenly, shit got out of hand...thanks USA! :thumbsup you handled that one really well :thumbsup

you are a cancer :thumbsup

A poultry $1.8 trillion GDP :1orglaugh

5 Member states russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Putin wants to destroy the European Union because Putin thinks all of Europe should be within his grasp and not band together to fight his bullshit.

Vladimir Putin’s plan to divide Europe is backfiring

Don't forget the OP is Serbian & licks Putin's ass here everyday for 3 years.

Putin warns West on Balkans as Serbia provides lavish welcome

"Although Serbia is a candidate to join the European Union, it remains a close ally of Moscow. Some 21 deals are set to be signed between the two sides, including on energy and defence.

Before the visit President Putin also promised to continue developing military and technical co-operation with Serbia and criticised the EU's handling of Kosovo."

Stop making fun of The United Shitholes!!!

military defense, all you guys run on about your great social system benefits but you never admit you got the funds because the USA picks up your defense bill :2 cents:

and agree, let russia have the ukraine and syria :2 cents:

you mad bro?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._in_Be lgrade

me? nope. we all do shitty stuff. sometimes we get caught, sometimes we don't. all of us lol!

putin wants a pipeline though syria to get his oil and gas out to the world and putin wants a sea port in the mediterranean, hence the ukraine. simple stuff.. the west has been blocking this from happening.

Not with that idiot as our president.

france was a biggie for the brits and the yanks

russia is out very best friend we both just aren't aware yet

directed at OP ;)

Defence from what? The russia slippery slope? You do not protect us from shit...we just get proxy fucked by your foreign policy and sucked in to the problem...the USA has beef with an incredible amount of countries and regions...half the world is on your shit list...

Maybe you are the ones that are shit?

Not knowing any better, I would say since you have been 'anti-usa' for some time,
someone is paying you to plant not very well thought out ideas among citizenry.

Seems most have had that idea that they do not need the us.... till they do.
But will the us be there for you the next time ?

United we stand. Divided we fall.
Mutual co-operation is always good anywhere it fits.

I might think about this a little differently if Putin and associates had not commandeered the energy markets within Russia and beyond and was not holding the EU hostage to the Natural Gas pipeline. And we have been spending Billions to liquefy NG and be able to ship it to the EU in the case they do.

No, you don't need us for that. Nothing is ever fair, but everyone soon forgets what good comes from alliances. Till they need a friend.

The us could pull out and you all could start learning Russian

If his plan is failing then... Awesome.

I am 'FOR' a strong European Union no matter if the US is very friendly to it or not.
The stronger they are means the less we have to spend on it.
Win-Win

sounds reasonable.

i do not share the thoughts of cruci as I think that anybody who needs allies must have a lot of enemies.

we should focus on approaching each other rather than moving away from each other.

in times like these, it's not easy to do that, but a trump is just a short temporary phenomenon that will go just as fast as it came.

it is already more than too much that putin managed to split the USA so that the danger of a civil war there is as high as never before.
WHAT parts of america should we assist as allies if it came to that?

i don't like to think this thought to the end and that alone makes the question pharse.

in fact, europe should also make itself militarily independent - but with the long-term goal that war and death are not business but something that we should exterminate from this planet forever.

if only half as much money would go into education as in war, then we wouldn't need wars any more. because it's obvious that countries where good education is only available for a lot of money are at the forefront of the war business.

russia is a cheaper and better defense racket service provider...the USA is like that one drunk friend that everybody has that always starts shit...you guys are always up to some shit...this shit negatively affects billions of people world wide and europe is taking flak...

europe is an important market for russia and russia would defend it for free LOL...so would china...money...pooty wants to sell that gas...on the other hand the russia boogeyman is awfully convenient for your #1 export...

United we stand does not apply when you unite with professional shit starters who have no intention of stopping starting shit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you guys are trouble :2 cents:

according to NATO, everyone is paying more since Trump started shit about it

You don't think Russia starts shit and doesn't invade & doesn't hack and doesn't have crime syndicates all over the world :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hey Cruci,

What is it like to have penis envy?

you asshole still not get it that the NATO is nothing where countries have to pay in.

No NATO country in the world owes NATO a single cent and the NATO budget have not changed AT ALL

WHY are you such a dumb?

I'm guessing in your eyes nobody is allowed to disagree with what NATO is doing/has been doing.. Ask an African how much they hate what NATO does to their country :2 cents:

There are intelligent people all around the world who think NATO is a total shit show, devised by people with less than good intentions.

FYI
"Kaput" is written 'kaputt' - with double T like tot [death]

:1orglaugh

who talked about that ?

are you speaking to the little green man in your head or why can´t you follow what i write?

and before you talk about cruelties of the NATO (what they possibly did) keep in mind that

1. US is the BIGGEST part of the NATO
2. my country was not in fights since 75 years
3. look at what the US army have done and look your whole fucking history since 1592
and you have MORE than enough cruelties to complain.

start cleaning in front of your door before you start to look for dirt in front of other doors.
you will find MORE than enough.

Who talked about that?

are you speaking to the little green man in your head or why can't you follow what I write?

I didn't defend the role of the United States in NATO, and I never presented the USA as innocent.

NATO is still a pile of shit :2 cents:

Ignore him. I've had in blocked for a long time. On the rare occasion I see one of his posts it's a shitpost as always.

He's a russian troll pretending to be American.

He licks Putin's shitty ass everyday ignoring his invasion of Crimea, attacks on Ukraine, documented war crimes against Chechens, etc. while crying like a little bitch about NATO.

He's a shitposter

Much less than the USA...the USA is a professional invader...can not stop...

Thanks to Serbia, 14 to 19 million killed and 23 million wounded in WW1.

Starting to see a trend here?

US Nato commander for Europe was just decorated by Croatian president. How that makes you feel :1orglaugh

Serbs were never an enemy to croatia...croats were never friends to serbs...same old same old IMO

Well, USA has to protect their investment, just as in every war they create in the world.
Supporting Muslim terror can only be explained as the result of stupidity, ignorance and propaganda brainwashing.