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2MuchMark 04-03-2019 08:56 PM

Trump claims wind turbine 'noise causes cancer'
 
Yes, fuckhead said that.

Quote:

“If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer,” the president said while delivering remarks at the National Republican Congressional Committee's annual spring dinner. He offered no evidence to support the claim.


Video at https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...do0T9BBVXjif84

~Ray 04-03-2019 09:18 PM

I believe they call it infrasound.

Infrasound, sometimes referred to as low-frequency sound, is sound that is lower in frequency than 20 Hz or cycles per second, the "normal" limit of human hearing.

Supposedly, it's not safe to live within 15 km of a wind turbine.

Acepimp 04-03-2019 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22445676)

Which part is untrue?

Quote:

German wind energy protest site windwahn.com here presents a brand new paper showing that infrasound-induced changes in brain activity are visible and proven.

The findings thus suggest that the health impacts by the low-frequency sound waves generated by industrial wind turbines in fact do adversely affect human health, a claim that has often been denied by Big Wind.

.."stimulation over longer periods of time could exert a profound effect on autonomic functions and may eventually lead to the formation of symptoms such as sleep disturbances, panic attacks or depression:
Wind Farm Victim’s Smoking Gun: German Research Reveals Infrasound Exposure Causes Stress, Sleep Disruption & More

Home Wreckers: Finnish Study Finds Wind Turbine Infrasound Unsafe For Residents Living Within 15 Km

So in *some* people who have other risk factors, the infrasound can aggravate those risk factors causing symptoms that could eventually lead to cancer or other serious problems.

There is plenty of evidence that the infrasound is harmful to livestock:

DO WIND TURBINES HARM ANIMALS?

Quote:

incidences of mass die-offs of farm animals, chickens laying soft-shelled eggs, high animal miscarriage rates and disappearance of wildlife near turbines provide pause for reflection.

One sheep farmer in Waterloo, Australia had a three-fold spike in birth defects since the turbines started operating. This year, lambs have been born with no ears, three legs and hoofs turned backwards, the Australian newspaper reported.

In Germany, a dozen dead porpoises washed ashore near the site of a newly completed wind farm and authorities did not rule out the wind facility as potential causes.

Discovery Magazine reported that a Taiwanese farmer blames the death of 400 goats on a nearby wind facility. His claim is backed up by a local livestock inspector who said unusual sounds can impact animals’ appetite, growth and sleep.

Dr. Nina Pierpont, author of Wind Turbine Syndrome, interviewed a horse breeder who lost six of eight babies after wind turbines were erected nearby his breeding mares. Some aborted early, others had no milk and others didn’t conceive.
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Sorry Mark, Trump is right.

https://i.imgur.com/ieJ5kUG.jpg

TheSquealer 04-03-2019 10:25 PM

If the last 2 1/2 years have taught us anything, its that Liberals hate their own nation, it's government and it's success.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OT2vQXkAAvIm5.jpg:large

klinton 04-03-2019 10:34 PM

OP, would u like to live close to wind turbine ?
stand for your words and live 300 meters to it.
is not harmful, isnt it ?

Bladewire 04-03-2019 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22445687)
Which part is untrue?



Wind Farm Victim’s Smoking Gun: German Research Reveals Infrasound Exposure Causes Stress, Sleep Disruption & More

Home Wreckers: Finnish Study Finds Wind Turbine Infrasound Unsafe For Residents Living Within 15 Km

So in *some* people who have other risk factors, the infrasound can aggravate those risk factors causing symptoms that could eventually lead to cancer or other serious problems.

There is plenty of evidence that the infrasound is harmful to livestock:

DO WIND TURBINES HARM ANIMALS?



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Sorry Mark, Trump is right.

https://i.imgur.com/ieJ5kUG.jpg

You linked to 2 alt-right wingbat sources you fucking lying troll.

You always lie because lies is all that the alt-right & Trump have.

You are a lie. That's your life 24/7

Think what kind of scum you are in real life. A shitbag nobody wants to know. Jump in front of a fast moving train you lying piece of shit.

You've killed this forum with your fake nics, lies & hate just die asshole :321GFY The cancer in your gut can't be cured :disgust

Acepimp 04-04-2019 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22445729)
You linked to 2 alt-right wingbat sources you fucking lying troll.

You always lie because lies is all that the alt-right & Trump have.

You are a lie. That's your life 24/7

Think what kind of scum you are in real life. A shitbag nobody wants to know. Jump in front of a fast moving train you lying piece of shit.

You've killed this forum with your fake nics, lies & hate just die asshole :321GFY The cancer in your gut can't be cured :disgust

LOL!!!!!

So you're saying that East County Magazine, from San Diego, is an "alt-right wingbat source"?? And the 2 women who wrote the article are Trump supporters? LOL!!

So i guess this German research study is totally made up?

^^ BladeLIAR the unhinged lunatic is so desperate to make Trump look bad that he doesn't mind windfarms making people and animals living nearby unhealthy & sick! Sorry but public health is a non-partisan issue you lunatic! :action-sm


2MuchMark 04-04-2019 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22445719)
OP, would u like to live close to wind turbine ?
stand for your words and live 300 meters to it.
is not harmful, isnt it ?

There are wind turbines just outside of Montreal - I have visited them up close. They make sound that for sure some would call annoying. But dangerous? No.

When I was a kid my family and I used to live in Montreal East. We were about half a mile away from an oil refinery (Texaco I think). Not only was it noisy, there were smoke stacks pouring out all kinds of things, along with giant torches burning off excess oil.

As a kid I thought it looked like a city because it was all lit up at night. And when my Dad and I would return from a weekend trip to our country house in St. Sauveur Quebec, the incredible smell would it us as we came close. My dad would joke "Ah, we can smell your Mothers cooking" and laugh it off, but I could also see it worried him. We would not normally notice the smell living there all the time, but we always noticed it after returning from the fresh air of the St. Sauveur mountains.

The smell wasn't the worst of it. Some days there was a yellow haze through the entire neighbourhood. You could "taste" the smell.

My dad told me that before I was born, that there was a big explosion at the oil refinery that was so hot, it melted all of the snow off the roofs for several of miles around the plant, and that the sky was as bright as a sunset even at 3 in the morning during the fire.

My Dad, my Mom and my sister all died of cancer.

So would I like to live near a Windmill? Fuck yes - I would take that over living near another oil refinery any day. No question man, no question.

King Mark 04-04-2019 08:43 AM

So, everyone in Holland is dead?

Rightards have got to retrain on their scare-tactics.

CaptainHowdy 04-04-2019 08:46 AM

So funny . . .

2MuchMark 04-04-2019 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp;22445951
So i guess [URL="https://stopthesethings.com/2017/04/30/wind-farm-victims-smoking-gun-german-research-reveals-infrasound-exposure-causes-stress-sleep-disruption-more/"
this German research study[/URL] is totally made up?

[/SIZE]


I read this article - you know its not well written, right? And could you also say that maybe its just a little bias?

2MuchMark 04-04-2019 10:08 PM

Update:

Fact Check: No Link Between Wind Farms and Cancer Like Trump Claimed
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ocHvgL81rQaqkg

what a dumbass.

klinton 04-05-2019 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22445970)
So would I like to live near a Windmill? Fuck yes - I would take that over living near another oil refinery any day. No question man, no question.

I never said that fossils are better than renewable energy. last one is obviously much better, but living close to turbines is not good for health. Just this. Yeah, its better than polluting planet for millions and the whole earth, but still - noone wants to live close to wind farms, thats why they build them outside of everything (usually)

baddog 04-05-2019 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead Eye (Post 22445972)
So, everyone in Holland is dead?

Rightards have got to retrain on their scare-tactics.

I am guessing you have never visited the Netherlands if you think there are windmills everywhere.

RedFred 04-05-2019 11:05 AM

No one needs to live near them anyway. Just move the 50 people that live in Wyoming to Texas and fill up that windy shithole with windmills.

crockett 04-05-2019 11:25 AM

Yep windmills cause cancer...

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/72/33/57/...7/rawImage.jpg


We don't call Red Hats the dumbs for nuffins..

2MuchMark 04-05-2019 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22446749)
I never said that fossils are better than renewable energy. last one is obviously much better, but living close to turbines is not good for health.

Says who? And why?

If you want to say that the noise someone might be subjected to living close to a wind turbine could cause stress, and that stress can lead to earlier than expected death, but is that it? Is that the whole argument? Sound doesn't cause cancer.


http://www.iheartradio.ca/image/poli...0&$p$w=2a6917e

East enders live, on average, 9 years less than other Montrealers
East enders live, on average, 9 years less than other Montrealers


What would you rather have in your back yard?

This?
https://www.nola.com/resizer/FDlHLgO...8dbeb76292.jpg

Or this?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/digitaltrend...d-turbines.jpg

Give me blue skies and clear air over grey skies and smog anyday.

Smack dat 04-05-2019 02:07 PM

Living too close to wind turbines can cause heart disease, tinnitus, vertigo, panic attacks, migraines and sleep deprivation, according to groundbreaking research to be published later this year by an American doctor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine_syndrome

Acepimp 04-05-2019 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22446784)
Says who? And why?

If you want to say that the noise someone might be subjected to living close to a wind turbine could cause stress, and that stress can lead to earlier than expected death, but is that it? Is that the whole argument? Sound doesn't cause cancer.

It's no the sound, Mark. It's the low-frequency infrasound.

Quote:

The findings thus suggest that the health impacts by the low-frequency sound waves generated by industrial wind turbines in fact do adversely affect human health, a claim that has often been denied by Big Wind.

.."stimulation over longer periods of time could exert a profound effect on autonomic functions and may eventually lead to the formation of symptoms such as sleep disturbances, panic attacks or depression:
So in *some* people who have other risk factors, the infrasound can aggravate those risk factors causing symptoms that could eventually lead to cancer or other serious problems.

Come on Mark, I thought you were all about science. This is not a partisan issue. Your hatred of Trump has blinded you to the facts. :2 cents:

Busty2 04-05-2019 03:05 PM

Conclusions
The dominant source of wind turbine low frequency noise, LFN (20–200 Hz), is incoming turbulence interaction with the blade. Infrasound (1–20 Hz) from wind turbines is not audible at close range and even less so at distances where residents are living. There is no evidence that infrasound at these levels contributes to perceived annoyance or other health effects. LFN from modern wind turbines are audible at typical levels in residential settings, but the levels do not exceed levels from other common noise sources, such as road traffic noise. Although new and large wind turbines may generate more LFN than old and small turbines, the expected increase in LFN is small.

Wind turbine noise is associated with residential noise annoyance. It has been found that 10–20% of residents are annoyed, and about 6% are very annoyed by wind turbine noise at levels between 35 and 40 dB (LAeq, at 8 m s − 1 wind speed at 10 m height). The main cause of annoyance seems to be the pulsating swish sound produced when the blades pass through the air. This sound has its main energy in the frequency range of 500–1000 Hz.

Except for noise annoyance, no consistent effects on health due to wind turbine noise have been reported. However, a statistically significant association between wind turbine noise and self-reported sleep disturbance was found in two studies.

It has been argued that infrasound and low frequency noise from wind turbines may cause serious health effects in the form of 'vibroacoustic disease', 'wind turbine syndrome' or harmful infrasound effects on the inner ear. However, empirical supports for these claims are lacking.


https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...326/6/3/035103


But But But they give you cancer !!!! MORONS

RedFred 04-05-2019 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smack dat (Post 22446861)
Living too close to wind turbines can cause heart disease, tinnitus, vertigo, panic attacks, migraines and sleep deprivation, according to groundbreaking research to be published later this year by an American doctor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine_syndrome

:1orglaugh

Did you even read the link you posted?


Wind turbine syndrome has been characterized as pseudoscience.


:1orglaugh

Smack dat 04-05-2019 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22445676)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22445729)
You linked to 2 alt-right wingbat sources you fucking lying troll.

You always lie because lies is all that the alt-right & Trump have.

You are a lie. That's your life 24/7

Think what kind of scum you are in real life. A shitbag nobody wants to know. Jump in front of a fast moving train you lying piece of shit.

You've killed this forum with your fake nics, lies & hate just die asshole :321GFY The cancer in your gut can't be cured :disgust

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22446893)
:1orglaugh

Did you even read the link you posted?


Wind turbine syndrome has been characterized as pseudoscience.


:1orglaugh

Maybe the post wasn't clear. There are two parts. The first text was a quote from a scientist that had been studying the effects of wind farms for 5 years.

The wiki link was just to point users to more info on wind turbine syndrome.

directfiesta 04-05-2019 03:41 PM

I heard it causes E.D......:Oh crap

Acepimp 04-05-2019 03:42 PM

Yes it's all fake, all of these people (and animals) are just making it up!





And while the clueless libbies are busy bashing Trump, he has caused half the country to start researching and getting the facts.. another stroke of genius from Trump :thumbsup

TRUMP 2020 :thumbsup:thumbsup

SilentKnight 04-05-2019 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smack dat (Post 22446861)
Living too close to wind turbines can cause heart disease, tinnitus, vertigo, panic attacks, migraines and sleep deprivation, according to groundbreaking research to be published later this year by an American doctor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine_syndrome

From your link:

Quote:

The distribution of recorded events, however, correlates with media coverage of wind farm syndrome itself, and not with the presence or absence of wind farms.[3][4] Neither term is recognised by any international disease classification system, nor do they appear in any title or abstract in the United States National Library of Medicine's PubMed database.[5] Wind turbine syndrome has been characterized as pseudoscience.
You failed at debate team 101.

Smack dat 04-05-2019 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22446901)
From your link:



You failed at debate team 101.

Read the previous message dumbass.

crockett 04-05-2019 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smack dat (Post 22446861)
Living too close to wind turbines can cause heart disease, tinnitus, vertigo, panic attacks, migraines and sleep deprivation, according to groundbreaking research to be published later this year by an American doctor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine_syndrome


Is this the same doctor who is the anti vaxxer...

SilentKnight 04-05-2019 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smack dat (Post 22446907)
Read the previous message dumbass.

You're the dumbass that quoted the conflicting quote and link.

Fuck you're a retard.


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