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OneHungLo 03-04-2019 09:59 AM
Germany to strip 'Islamic State' fighters' citizenship — report
 
I guess it's a step in the right direction. At least they're not handing over their wives to them...yet

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Germany's Interior Ministry and Justice Ministry have reportedly agreed on a proposal to expatriate IS fighters. Interior Minister Horst Seehofer has tried to link the legislation with broader citizenship reform.

Germany's governing coalition has agreed to strip fighters of the "Islamic State" (IS) militant group of their citizenship, according to German outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, NDR and WDR.

The new law would apply to jihadists who are of age, have a second nationality and take part in future battles as part of IS. It would not apply to IS fighters who are currently imprisoned.

Germany's Nationality Act already includes a similar rule for dual nationals who join "the armed forces or a comparable armed unit" of another country without the permission of the German Defense Ministry.

The new legislation would expand the Nationality Act to apply to someone who "takes part in combat operations abroad for a terrorist militia," which is defined as an "armed paramilitary organization" that violates international law in order to "establish new state or state structures."

Internal disagreement
The governing coalition, comprised of German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives (CDU/CSU) and the center-left Social Democrats (SPD), had pledged to reform the law last year.

But disagreements between the CDU/CSU and SPD stopped them from agreeing on a concrete proposal. The head of the CSU in the German Bundestag, Alexander Dobrindt, reportedly accused Justice Minister Katarina Barley from the SPD of delaying the legislation last week.

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Barley is said to have resisted attempts by Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, a CSU politician, to link the legislation with further citizenship restrictions not directly related to terrorism.

Part of Seehofer's initial proposal to the Justice Ministry would allow authorities to strip children under the age of five of citizenship if their parents had unlawfully acquired German citizenship, for instance by deception.

Read more:EU foreign ministers discuss taking back 'IS' fighters

Seehofer reportedly gave up on the draft law following strong opposition from the Justice Ministry, but plans to present a new draft bill regarding citizenship as soon as possible.

Germany has been debating what to do about its citizens who fought for IS in Syria and Iraq since US President Donald Trump lcalled for the repatriation and prosecution of some 800 foreign fighters in February.

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King Mark 03-04-2019 10:13 AM
"The new law would apply to jihadists who are of age, have a second nationality and take part in future battles as part of IS"

I see nothing wrong with this. This is basic common sense.

ianmoone332000 03-04-2019 10:15 AM
Kinda got the feeling they bolted the door after the horse ran

Bladewire 03-04-2019 10:24 AM
Awesome! I'd personally let the traitors back in the country and have them publicly hanged for crimes against the countries sovereignty and treason. They should have hung Chelsea Manning for her espionage and treason.

celandina 03-04-2019 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dead Eye (Post 22426477)
"The new law would apply to jihadists who are of age, have a second nationality and take part in future battles as part of IS"

I see nothing wrong with this. This is basic common sense.
I was amzed that you have agreed with it but then I have noticed this bit...

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T he new law would apply to jihadists who are of age, have a second nationality and take part in future battles as part of IS. It would not apply to IS fighters who are currently imprisoned
...so, the jihadists who already murdered innocents will be welcomed back. Germans are fucked if this law is passed with this sentence in it. Eventually There will be an anti muslim pogrom and these idiots will be responsible for it.

celandina 03-04-2019 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22426486)
Awesome! I'd personally let the traitors back in the country and have them publicly hanged for crimes against the countries sovereignty and treason. They should have hung Chelsea Manning for her espionage and treason.
Read the " fine print" ( or my post above) . For a moment I thought we agree on something... But I agree they should have hung the hermafrodite for treason :thumbsup see we can agree on something after all:upsidedow

Rochard 03-04-2019 10:32 AM
I don't think they should have their citizenship stripped. You cannot strip someone of their citizenship leaving them without citizenship in any country. Instead, charge them with treason and give them life in prison.

DraX 03-05-2019 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Dead Eye (Post 22426477)
"The new law would apply to jihadists who are of age, have a second nationality and take part in future battles as part of IS"

I see nothing wrong with this. This is basic common sense.
The only real common sense would be if this was set active retroactively.

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22426487)
I was amzed that you have agreed with it but then I have noticed this bit...



...so, the jihadists who already murdered innocents will be welcomed back. Germans are fucked if this law is passed with this sentence in it. Eventually There will be an anti muslim pogrom and these idiots will be responsible for it.
Yep, murderers, rapists, brutal human beings are welcome into Germany because the government don't have the guts for a retroactive effect. The Germans being manipulated and lied to again.

Sly 03-05-2019 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22426494)
I don't think they should have their citizenship stripped. You cannot strip someone of their citizenship leaving them without citizenship in any country. Instead, charge them with treason and give them life in prison.
It clearly states this is for dual nationals.

aka go back to your motherland.

King Mark 03-05-2019 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22426487)
I was amzed that you have agreed with it
Why would you be amazed I agree with this step in the right direction?

Do you think I support isis?

pimpmaster9000 03-05-2019 08:27 AM
drax > entire german government

drax knows better because he reads gab :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

huey 03-05-2019 08:39 AM
The 4th Reich will be Muslim led.

celandina 03-05-2019 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dead Eye (Post 22426981)
Why would you be amazed I agree with this step in the right direction?

Do you think I support isis?
You agree because it is copout by the PC German government. It only applies to future jihadists, not the current ones. Same analogy as if Hitler said "we only will kill those Jews who will be born in the future". Bonkers !

We will not solve the issue if jihad = isis at al or not. I say yes you say no, so what is the point.

King Mark 03-05-2019 09:08 AM
Thats not what I asked you.

And I agreed this was a STEP in the right direction. I never said this was a master plan lol.

Paul Markham 03-05-2019 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dead Eye (Post 22426477)
"The new law would apply to jihadists who are of age, have a second nationality and take part in future battles as part of IS"

I see nothing wrong with this. This is basic common sense.
As a follower of Islam, can you educate us all on why Muslims who left to join a caliphate would want to return to a country predominately Christian/Agnostic?

Is it.

A) they now prefer the easy life back in welfare giving state Christian/Agnostic rather than countries who preach Islam and would probably execute them?

There is no need for a B)

King Mark 03-05-2019 11:00 AM
Paul, the founder of the theory of magic join links, has spoken.

Paul Markham 03-05-2019 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22426494)
I don't think they should have their citizenship stripped. You cannot strip someone of their citizenship leaving them without citizenship in any country. Instead, charge them with treason and give them life in prison.
Better idea. Turn them over to Syria or Iraq. They have the solution and should be tried in the country where they committed their offences for trial. Can you imagine all the European drug traffickers, murderers, rapists, etc around the world all demanding to come home and skip trials?

Or is this racism where brown people are not expected to face the same justice?

pimpmaster9000 03-05-2019 11:37 AM
poor crackers...becoming minorities....the pressure is rising...paranoia is setting in...anuses are puckering up...

I wrote this haiku poem:

crackers tripping balls
skin is getting dark
hello paranoia!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Bladewire 03-05-2019 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22427091)
As a follower of Islam, can you educate us all on why Muslims who left to join a caliphate would want to return to a country predominately Christian/Agnostic?

Is it.

A) they now prefer the easy life back in welfare giving state Christian/Agnostic rather than countries who preach Islam and would probably execute them?

There is no need for a B)
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22427103)
Or is this racism where brown people are not expected to face the same justice?
Man you are in DEEP Paul and so out of touch with reality & facts damn. Such a shame. Reading your posts nowadays is so depressing you've gone so far downhill :(


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