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11-16-2018, 09:37 AM

I live in Northern California, between Sacramento and Chico where the big fire is. The fire is about seventy or eighty miles from us. The fire started eight days ago, is the most destructive and deadly fire on record, six hundred people are still listed as missing, and the fire is only 40% contained.

Our entire area is covered with smoke. It's horrible. School has been canceled for everyone in the region, over a million students. On the air quality index anything over 100 is considered very bad. Right now where I am it's 167. Yesterday afternoon it was 467.

I replace our air filters every time the season changes, four times a year... We just did it in September. I pulled our air filter now and it's nasty.

The impact on our area is staggering. Everyone knows someone who has lost a house, the hotels are booked solid, they have no money, no food, no clothes. We are scrambling to host a thanksgiving dinner for a thousand people. Last night I was at the firehouse for our yearly charity turkey drive, and we collected 1600 turkeys - twice as many as last year.

This is how the world will end. There will be a fire, it will get out of control, we will be unable to stop it, and it will block out the sun for months....

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11-16-2018, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

I live in Northern California, between Sacramento and Chico where the big fire is. The fire is about seventy or eighty miles from us. The fire started eight days ago, is the most destructive and deadly fire on record, six hundred people are still listed as missing, and the fire is only 40% contained.

Our entire area is covered with smoke. It's horrible. School has been canceled for everyone in the region, over a million students. On the air quality index anything over 100 is considered very bad. Right now where I am it's 167. Yesterday afternoon it was 467.

I replace our air filters every time the season changes, four times a year... We just did it in September. I pulled our air filter now and it's nasty.

The impact on our area is staggering. Everyone knows someone who has lost a house, the hotels are booked solid, they have no money, no food, no clothes. We are scrambling to host a thanksgiving dinner for a thousand people. Last night I was at the firehouse for our yearly charity turkey drive, and we collected 1600 turkeys - twice as many as last year.

This is how the world will end. There will be a fire, it will get out of control, we will be unable to stop it, and it will block out the sun for months....

Get used to it.. this is the best example of climate change. Lived in the PNW for 15 years and watched how the weather went from a cold raining rainforest with 3 month summers to a place that felt like SoCal 25 years ago for 4.5 months of the year.
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11-16-2018, 09:52 AM

the homes are rich a holes... you don't fuck with nature. reminds me of the idiots here that built their homes in a dry wash... and we had record floods clean their shit out. not the end of the world! drama queen!

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11-16-2018, 10:02 AM

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the homes are rich a holes... you don't fuck with nature. reminds me of the idiots here that built their homes in a dry wash... and we had record floods clean their shit out. not the end of the world! drama queen!

The homes in Paradise, California, were very cheap - and mostly retired people.

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11-16-2018, 10:02 AM

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Get used to it.. this is the best example of climate change. Lived in the PNW for 15 years and watched how the weather went from a cold raining rainforest with 3 month summers to a place that felt like SoCal 25 years ago for 4.5 months of the year.

This cannot be the new normal. You cannot tell me I cannot go outside for months at a time.

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11-16-2018, 10:12 AM

Rochard, why do people live in wildfire prone areas?
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11-16-2018, 10:15 AM

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Rochard, why do people live in wildfire prone areas?

since he prefaces 90% of his posts with "what I don't understand is..."

I'm guessing he doesn't understand.

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11-16-2018, 10:23 AM

Found this interesting article :

"Why Does California Have So Many Wildfires?" https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/c...nia-fires.html
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11-16-2018, 10:24 AM

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Rochard, why do people live in wildfire prone areas?

ALL of California is a "wildfire prone" area.

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11-16-2018, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

ALL of California is a "wildfire prone" area.
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11-16-2018, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

ALL of California is a "wildfire prone" area.

I don't understand people who live in wildfire prone areas.
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11-16-2018, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by 2MuchMark

Found this interesting article :

"Why Does California Have So Many Wildfires?" https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/c...nia-fires.html

We have so many wildfires for a handful of reasons....

First off all, we are in a drought. It just hasn't been raining. It's super dry here. When I first moved here in 1989, it was beautiful. Everything was green. Now.... Everything is brown. It's all nothing but kindling at this point.

Second... Once a fire starts they can't get to it. We have the Rockies here and when a fire starts there is just not enough roads to get it. This fire started at 6:30 in the morning, by 9am it was too late. I am seventy miles away... The first started at 6:30, and by 10am local fire departments met up here in Lincoln just a block from my house to up to the fire. That's how quickly they put out the word for help. Here in California we have local fire departments, and also the State department called Cal Fire. But when a big fire happens they call for support from across the state, and then from other states. This also greatly taxes our little fire department.... We have three fire stations and three teams on duty at any given time. When they send out a team to a big fire they are gone for five or six days at a time... That's like taking 20% of our staff for an entire week.

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11-16-2018, 11:19 AM

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11-16-2018, 11:20 AM

The world is not just California Richard..

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11-16-2018, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by TheSquealer

since he prefaces 90% of his posts with "what I don't understand is..."

I'm guessing he doesn't understand.

Seriously. He was basically criticizing 120 million people living on the Eastern Seaboard for living in a hurricane areas and not being prepared. Hey Rochard, why don't you have enough water stored to put out the wildfire?
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11-16-2018, 11:35 AM

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The world is not just California Richard..

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11-16-2018, 11:48 AM

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At first when i seen this i was like "yeah right" But i went to look this up sure enough its true. Depressing to see so many lost there lives and all there belongings.

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11-16-2018, 12:45 PM

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At first when i seen this i was like "yeah right" But i went to look this up sure enough its true. Depressing to see so many lost there lives and all there belongings.

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11-16-2018, 12:53 PM

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The world is not just California Richard..

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11-16-2018, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

I live in Northern California, between Sacramento and Chico where the big fire is. The fire is about seventy or eighty miles from us. The fire started eight days ago, is the most destructive and deadly fire on record, six hundred people are still listed as missing, and the fire is only 40% contained.

Our entire area is covered with smoke. It's horrible. School has been canceled for everyone in the region, over a million students. On the air quality index anything over 100 is considered very bad. Right now where I am it's 167. Yesterday afternoon it was 467.

I replace our air filters every time the season changes, four times a year... We just did it in September. I pulled our air filter now and it's nasty.

The impact on our area is staggering. Everyone knows someone who has lost a house, the hotels are booked solid, they have no money, no food, no clothes. We are scrambling to host a thanksgiving dinner for a thousand people. Last night I was at the firehouse for our yearly charity turkey drive, and we collected 1600 turkeys - twice as many as last year.

This is how the world will end. There will be a fire, it will get out of control, we will be unable to stop it, and it will block out the sun for months....

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11-16-2018, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

The homes in Paradise, California, were very cheap - and mostly retired people.

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11-16-2018, 01:28 PM

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11-16-2018, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by OneHungLo

Seriously. He was basically criticizing 120 million people living on the Eastern Seaboard for living in a hurricane areas and not being prepared. Hey Rochard, why don't you have enough water stored to put out the wildfire?

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11-16-2018, 02:17 PM

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The world is not just California Richard..

This one fire is carrying smoke all the way to the east coast. Now imagine a fire five or ten times bigger. Imagine every place west of the Mississippi being covered in smoke for four months, where all plant life dies.

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11-16-2018, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by TampaToker

At first when i seen this i was like "yeah right" But i went to look this up sure enough its true. Depressing to see so many lost there lives and all there belongings.

It's very sad. A lot of people retired to Paradise because it was very cheap to live in by California standards, and the weather was great. Imagine being seventy years old and losing everything you have.

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11-16-2018, 02:29 PM

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11-16-2018, 02:30 PM

This will have an impact later on. Stronger weather systems coming next.
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11-16-2018, 02:41 PM

Ask anyone on the fire line, California is being mismanaged

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11-16-2018, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

This one fire is carrying smoke all the way to the east coast. Now imagine a fire five or ten times bigger. Imagine every place west of the Mississippi being covered in smoke for four months, where all plant life dies.

https://www.actionnewsnow.com/conten...500328221.html

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11-16-2018, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by brassmonkey

the homes are rich a holes... you don't fuck with nature. reminds me of the idiots here that built their homes in a dry wash... and we had record floods clean their shit out. not the end of the world! drama queen!

Maybe rich when compared to you and your family; not rich to anyone else.
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11-16-2018, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

ALL of California is a "wildfire prone" area.

Guess again.
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11-16-2018, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

Second... Once a fire starts they can't get to it. We have the Rockies.

What the fuck do the Rockies have to do with Sacramento? You don't even know geography in your own town.

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11-16-2018, 03:53 PM

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Ask anyone on the fire line, California is being mismanaged

That's odd. I have a few good friends that are firemen, I spent most of last night in the local firehouse, and when it came up in discussion.... It came up a lot. Not a single fireman said California was being "mis-managed". Most of them had just returned from the line.

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11-16-2018, 03:54 PM

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Guess again.

Really... I mean, I never considered Malibu to be "fire prone" but.... Sure enough it is.

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11-16-2018, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

Really... I mean, I never considered Malibu to be "fire prone" but.... Sure enough it is.

That's probably because you "don't understand" that Malibu isn't just a beach in LA.
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11-16-2018, 04:26 PM

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11-16-2018, 04:27 PM

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Maybe rich when compared to you and your family; not rich to anyone else.

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11-16-2018, 04:51 PM

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11-16-2018, 07:13 PM

When I lived in northern California, my next door neighbor was a fire chief that ran the prison crews that fought the fires each year. He told me the main reason for the fires is bad management. Too much fuel for them to burn.

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11-16-2018, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

That's odd. I have a few good friends that are firemen, I spent most of last night in the local firehouse, and when it came up in discussion.... It came up a lot. Not a single fireman said California was being "mis-managed". Most of them had just returned from the line.

So you're saying they said is was being managed properly? Because when I lived in Shasta County, I had several friends that said otherwise.

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11-16-2018, 07:39 PM

https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/re...221683150.html this will back up what I'm saying

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11-16-2018, 11:17 PM

Rochard, kudos to you for helping the needy. I hope the fire doesn't come anywhere near you. If it does, stay safe and have a plan to GTFO quickly with irreplaceables packed & ready. Even then, its no guarantee you won't lose the stuff anyway if you have to abandon the vehicle and make a run for it.

I just watched a video of someone filming from the time he gets the evacuation order to finally reaching safety. Riveting stuff. So much confusion, not knowing which way is the safe way to go, traffic jams slowing the escape to a literal crawl, while flames are all around. Insane! And no doubt this exact scenario has been played out hundreds of times by countless people.

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11-16-2018, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Vendzilla

When I lived in northern California, my next door neighbor was a fire chief that ran the prison crews that fought the fires each year. He told me the main reason for the fires is bad management. Too much fuel for them to burn.

You never said any of this any other year. Now Trump said some shit, and you magically have a fire chief friend that agrees with trump and a friend that got killed by an illegal alien.

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11-17-2018, 12:13 AM

I feel sorry for California citizens. To cheer you up - I live in Warsaw, capital of Poland. Poland is called "the China of Europe" for it's air quality. We deal with 100+ on a daily during winter season.

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11-17-2018, 12:45 AM

Good time to remember that a little prep goes a long way

- make sure your insurance needs are covered and that what needs to be covered is.
- everyone in the house needs a grab bag, that has essentials in it at all times. Couple of changes of cloths, medications, handful of things that are irreplaceable, jewelry. water/food for the next 48 hours.
- make sure your doc's, pictures, videos and such that can be scanned and uploaded to the cloud are in a safe place so you don't have to worry about them.
- a quick 60 min video of all your stuff with serial numbers and purchase dates will help with when the shit hits the fan, and your dealing with the insurance company later!!

No one likes loss, but a few things done up front can make the journey back a lot less painful

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11-17-2018, 01:01 AM

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Good time to remember that a little prep goes a long way

- make sure your insurance needs are covered and that what needs to be covered is.
- everyone in the house needs a grab bag, that has essentials in it at all times. Couple of changes of cloths, medications, handful of things that are irreplaceable, jewelry. water/food for the next 48 hours.
- make sure your doc's, pictures, videos and such that can be scanned and uploaded to the cloud are in a safe place so you don't have to worry about them.
- a quick 60 min video of all your stuff with serial numbers and purchase dates will help with when the shit hits the fan, and your dealing with the insurance company later!!

No one likes loss, but a few things done up front can make the journey back a lot less painful

Best post yet. Do you have friends or relatives outside the fire zone, can you rent a storage unit outside the fire zone? Make sure that everything mentioned and more is stored in a friends house or a storage unit. So when the shit hits the fan you're not looking round for stuff to throw into your car.

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11-17-2018, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Vendzilla

https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/re...221683150.html this will back up what I'm saying

It's sad you have to bring politics into every topic.

Had to search hard for that right leaning article that's created to back up Trump, with Trump's name in the title of article.

It's sad that the right tailors it's lies to back up a bitter hate troll president.

I'll stick with articles from scientific sources:

California's forest management isn't the problem | Popular Science

"A long-term trend of warmer summers and drier falls has helped desiccate California's vegetation to the perfect kindling, said Daniel Swain, assistant researcher at the University of California-Los Angeles' Institute of the Environment and Sustainability, in a Twitter thread rebuttal.

The U.S. Forest Service estimated in 2015 that climate change has led to fire seasons that are on average 78 days longer than they were almost 40 years ago."

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