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incredibleworkethic 10-19-2018 01:27 AM

Things That Have Worked For Me (request)
 
I've posted a lot in cam and some dating threads.

The best advice I ever heard AND APPLIED to myself was:

- Get out of selling porn memberships. (my own opinion too now, unless it's working for you / or you have a niche site that is doing well)
- Pick a niche. And I know that sounds like general advice, but really PICK a niche that YOU'RE interested in. Or, perhaps one you can UNDERSTAND at least, well enough.
- Cams/Dating Seem to do the best for me personally.
- Traffic is king REALLY applies. Good quality traffic is even better. (don't send big tits traffic to ass sites as an extremely easy example)
- *my advice* Build the site you run - and make sure it's something YOU WANT TO USE.

I can't tell ya how many free memberships I got back in the day to porn sites that I wouldn't use even for free when I was reviewing porn sites.

When they say there's no money in porn... that depends on what you focus on.

In 2007-2015 I couldn't make a dime. But now if you look at my other threads, things have been going well since I got niche focused. :pimp

AllAboutCams 10-19-2018 02:54 AM

Great tips :thumbsup

incredibleworkethic 10-19-2018 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams (Post 22352201)
Great tips :thumbsup

Thanks!

Do you have anything to add? :thumbsup

CaptainHowdy 10-19-2018 03:11 AM

You rock, man . . .

Fob 10-19-2018 03:13 AM

good advice!

AllAboutCams 10-19-2018 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incredibleworkethic (Post 22352203)
Thanks!

Do you have anything to add? :thumbsup

- Don't rely on just one sponsor you need to balance out the good and bad months.

- User updated sites work amazing when you hit the right niche. Essentially if they upload there own photos/videos.

- Don't sell traffic from your own sites use it at a sponsor of your choice. Search engine traffic is the best traffic.

- Paid traffic does work but it takes a lot of work to get it right. You need to be constantly be testing the traffic. Even if you buy traffic from one site this week and it converts well next week could be a whole different story.

geirlur 10-19-2018 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incredibleworkethic (Post 22352176)
I can't tell ya how many free memberships I got back in the day to porn sites that I wouldn't use even for free when I was reviewing porn sites.

That's actually a good point.. I have more than 100 paysite passes but never download any videos for personal use. The few times I do I usually just watch a few minutes before I close and delete it :upsidedow

pimpmaster9000 10-19-2018 06:08 AM

when I was new and enthusiastic about promoting my cam models I made a separate Mtree account (to test just one method) and put up some semi-quality 2-3 min non nude videos on the net using a mass tube submitter, the videos had "ambush watermarks" because I was pissed off at xhamster demanding they become your affiliate if you want to post a watermarked video...over the course of a year and a half I made somewhere in the 800$ per video range from mtree...I made the separate account because there was no way of knowing where exactly the traffic came from over the mtree interface and I was too lazy to set up tracking on the models websites because they are lazy shits...it was a quick fix...

now keep in mind I uploaded a few videos linked to this account and never touched anything again...only that one days work made me $800, per video, in one and a half years time...

they key was I had my own free material...I am a shit shooter and the video was done on some cheap cam I had...IF you have models that are not lazy shits the money is definitely there for cams, my models are lazy and it still made me 800$/video...if I had just one serious model that is not looking for a suggar daddy but actually wanted to work for a living, I could easily easily be in the 1000$/week range and if I had a kick ass model it would easily be 2-3K/week with just one model...it would take maybe 6-12 months to reach this level, with several weekly updates, but still not bad for 1 model...the problem is the moment my models start making 200-300$/day they relax and not give a shit...

what works for me now is investing 0 time in all this promotion shit and getting models to find other models for me in exchange for a kickback...I was a studio boss and affiliate and now I am just a studio boss...

yuu.design 10-19-2018 07:35 AM

good advice man!

Speigelau 10-19-2018 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22352243)
when I was new and enthusiastic about promoting my cam models I made a separate Mtree account (to test just one method) and put up some semi-quality 2-3 min non nude videos on the net using a mass tube submitter, the videos had "ambush watermarks" because I was pissed off at xhamster demanding they become your affiliate if you want to post a watermarked video...over the course of a year and a half I made somewhere in the 800$ per video range from mtree...I made the separate account because there was no way of knowing where exactly the traffic came from over the mtree interface and I was too lazy to set up tracking on the models websites because they are lazy shits...it was a quick fix...

now keep in mind I uploaded a few videos linked to this account and never touched anything again...only that one days work made me $800, per video, in one and a half years time...

they key was I had my own free material...I am a shit shooter and the video was done on some cheap cam I had...IF you have models that are not lazy shits the money is definitely there for cams, my models are lazy and it still made me 800$/video...if I had just one serious model that is not looking for a suggar daddy but actually wanted to work for a living, I could easily easily be in the 1000$/week range and if I had a kick ass model it would easily be 2-3K/week with just one model...it would take maybe 6-12 months to reach this level, with several weekly updates, but still not bad for 1 model...the problem is the moment my models start making 200-300$/day they relax and not give a shit...

what works for me now is investing 0 time in all this promotion shit and getting models to find other models for me in exchange for a kickback...I was a studio boss and affiliate and now I am just a studio boss...

Nice story, do you now run a cam studio in the DR, or just model recruiting?

pimpmaster9000 10-19-2018 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Speigelau (Post 22352313)
Nice story, do you now run a cam studio in the DR, or just model recruiting?

No I am just on vacation in the DR.

xxx6live 10-19-2018 12:19 PM

Nice thread and good advice! :)

I can add,

- always go for revshare - at least if you have faith in your site and traffic

incredibleworkethic 10-19-2018 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxx6live (Post 22352385)
Nice thread and good advice! :)

I can add,

- always go for revshare - at least if you have faith in your site and traffic

Shit I was going to add that one! Thank you!

Revshare means consistent sales and reliability as an affiliate program owner and affiliate in general. No hit and runs. Partnership. :pimp

SecondFloor 10-19-2018 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incredibleworkethic (Post 22352402)
Revshare means consistent sales and reliability as an affiliate program owner and affiliate in general. No hit and runs. Partnership. :pimp

This is a good tip! I have to switch some offers currently on PPS. Just hard to accept the short-term hit when I don't get much traffic now, but I think you guys are correct that its the right long-term play.

I'm new to the adult affiliate industry, so I don't have much to add given the vast experience of other posters. But I can say that I was pretty amazed in the difference in quality between paid traffic - from any source - and organic traffic. Its a night and day difference in conversion rate when a customer finds you on their own through google.

xxx6live 10-19-2018 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SecondFloor (Post 22352465)
Its a night and day difference in conversion rate when a customer finds you on their own through google.

Exactly. And combined with a niche as mentioned in the first post by @incredibleworkethic it is pure gold.

Of course, the site we send the customer to must deliver also. Almost forgot that important point. AWE, Cambuilder and Chaturbate works for my traffic. Others might have different results.

The Porn Nerd 10-19-2018 05:51 PM

Excellent advice! While I do run paysites I too am branching out into the cam and dating world. It would be interesting to learn where the OP gets his cam and dating traffic from. :)

Good luck to all! :)

$5 submissions 10-19-2018 09:15 PM

Congrats, OP. I love seeing posts like this. Keep scaling up. Build on what works and optimize.

j3rkules 10-20-2018 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22352577)
Excellent advice! While I do run paysites I too am branching out into the cam and dating world. It would be interesting to learn where the OP gets his cam and dating traffic from. :)

Good luck to all! :)

I am pretty sure that he gets most of the hits from search engines.

:thumbsup

Holy Damage 10-20-2018 06:24 AM

Amateur sites is still doing pretty good nowdays... BUT its hard to find something LEGIT, 2257 etc and not another one with stolen pics from internet, revenge porn etc

incredibleworkethic 10-20-2018 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22352577)
Excellent advice! While I do run paysites I too am branching out into the cam and dating world. It would be interesting to learn where the OP gets his cam and dating traffic from. :)

Good luck to all! :)

Search engines. :) And link trades. (they find you sometimes)

Sly 10-20-2018 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22352243)
when I was new and enthusiastic about promoting my cam models I made a separate Mtree account (to test just one method) and put up some semi-quality 2-3 min non nude videos on the net using a mass tube submitter, the videos had "ambush watermarks" because I was pissed off at xhamster demanding they become your affiliate if you want to post a watermarked video...over the course of a year and a half I made somewhere in the 800$ per video range from mtree...I made the separate account because there was no way of knowing where exactly the traffic came from over the mtree interface and I was too lazy to set up tracking on the models websites because they are lazy shits...it was a quick fix...

now keep in mind I uploaded a few videos linked to this account and never touched anything again...only that one days work made me $800, per video, in one and a half years time...

they key was I had my own free material...I am a shit shooter and the video was done on some cheap cam I had...IF you have models that are not lazy shits the money is definitely there for cams, my models are lazy and it still made me 800$/video...if I had just one serious model that is not looking for a suggar daddy but actually wanted to work for a living, I could easily easily be in the 1000$/week range and if I had a kick ass model it would easily be 2-3K/week with just one model...it would take maybe 6-12 months to reach this level, with several weekly updates, but still not bad for 1 model...the problem is the moment my models start making 200-300$/day they relax and not give a shit...

what works for me now is investing 0 time in all this promotion shit and getting models to find other models for me in exchange for a kickback...I was a studio boss and affiliate and now I am just a studio boss...

This is a great example of starting with one idea, making money from it, then using that concept as a base to pivot into an arena that makes more money with less work and makes others WANT to promote you.

Great post.

SecondFloor 10-20-2018 09:46 AM

Ive been thinking about it, and one of the most important things I've found is that there really aren't any shortcuts to affiliate success.

Whats had the best impact for me is all the stuff you read on day 1 of research - Use ahrefs or similar for keyword research, write lots of quality text, lock down backlinks on sites also targeting those keywords.

There are a lot of "SEO gurus" out there promising page 1 rankings if you buy their $75 package to trick google. The truth is that if you want a good affiliate site with real staying power, there isn't any other way except the hard way. It takes a real investment of your time and energy to make something that has real value.

Someone please chime in and correct me if this seems wrong - because I would love to know if theres an easier way! :1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 10-20-2018 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 22352846)
This is a great example of starting with one idea, making money from it, then using that concept as a base to pivot into an arena that makes more money with less work and makes others WANT to promote you.

Great post.

it was my dream to live like hugh hefner...I rented out a 3 story apartment from a football player and reserved the top floor to myself and the models were supposed to be on the first 2...I live in serbia, girls are notoriously hard to recruit here for porn but I did not know this I was new...I only knew that in hungary next door if you give an ad 100 girls will call...I gave several ads in papers "erotic models wanted" and exactly 0 girls called back...I did get replies from dudes, gay dudes and trannies tho...it broke my heart...

but I noticed that there were a lot of "sugar daddy looking for sugar baby" type ads...out of desperation I gave an ad for sugar babies, in hopes of getting to talk to them in person and convincing them with "my" massive apartment...I got a few replies...then I got a great idea, I made a "sugar daddy alliance"...I contacted all the other sugar daddies over email and asked them if they were willing to "exchange sugar babies" and I explained what I do...they loved me...for a while the did the "research" and "talent prospecting" for me...I shot out a circular blind carbon copy email to everybody asking for new girls every week and they would send me photos and I would recycle these photos and send to other sugar daddies back...but I mostly got hookers and they come with their own special set of mental problems...the few semi hookers I got were good material to work with and they had broke friends so I offered them 100$ for any girl that comes to an interview...it grew from there to a point where I had "club jumping girls" go from club to club and chat up slutty looking girls...100$ is a lot for one night and I got hundreds and hundreds of girls over the years to come and work for me...

for a while I made nice money with anastasia date type of sites...non nude, russian bride shit but with chat...I got photo models and A1 girls to do non nude chat but the problem is the prettier a girl is the sooner she finds some sugar daddy and flakes out...

I am by far the biggest recruiter in serbia....there are 0 porn agencies here...zero...porn is legal, hooking is alive and well, but girls do not want to appear on social media one day...we have 0 professional porn actresses, 0 porn companies from serbia and a few shooters who barely make ends meet...they mostly go to hungary and find models there...I would go so far as to say that I even have political power because I "have girls" and people with money and power think I am the reincarnation of jesus...when I explain what I do their facial expression changes...

but it is not what I thought it would be...I disbanded the big studio because it became a place to hang out and not make money for me...I realized I could make more money by putting each girl in her own apartment, so she would have to work even more to pay for the rent and could work without distraction from other girls...laziness is like a disease...it spreads among girls in a group...my hat goes off to hugh hefner for being able to put up with all that shit...

Klen 10-20-2018 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22352904)
it was my dream to live like hugh hefner...I rented out a 3 story apartment from a football player and reserved the top floor to myself and the models were supposed to be on the first 2...I live in serbia, girls are notoriously hard to recruit here for porn but I did not know this I was new...I only knew that in hungary next door if you give an ad 100 girls will call...I gave several ads in papers "erotic models wanted" and exactly 0 girls called back...I did get replies from dudes, gay dudes and trannies tho...it broke my heart...

but I noticed that there were a lot of "sugar daddy looking for sugar baby" type ads...out of desperation I gave an ad for sugar babies, in hopes of getting to talk to them in person and convincing them with "my" massive apartment...I got a few replies...then I got a great idea, I made a "sugar daddy alliance"...I contacted all the other sugar daddies over email and asked them if they were willing to "exchange sugar babies" and I explained what I do...they loved me...for a while the did the "research" and "talent prospecting" for me...I shot out a circular blind carbon copy email to everybody asking for new girls every week and they would send me photos and I would recycle these photos and send to other sugar daddies back...but I mostly got hookers and they come with their own special set of mental problems...the few semi hookers I got were good material to work with and they had broke friends so I offered them 100$ for any girl that comes to an interview...it grew from there to a point where I had "club jumping girls" go from club to club and chat up slutty looking girls...100$ is a lot for one night and I got hundreds and hundreds of girls over the years to come and work for me...

for a while I made nice money with anastasia date type of sites...non nude, russian bride shit but with chat...I got photo models and A1 girls to do non nude chat but the problem is the prettier a girl is the sooner she finds some sugar daddy and flakes out...

I am by far the biggest recruiter in serbia....there are 0 porn agencies here...zero...porn is legal, hooking is alive and well, but girls do not want to appear on social media one day...we have 0 professional porn actresses, 0 porn companies from serbia and a few shooters who barely make ends meet...they mostly go to hungary and find models there...I would go so far as to say that I even have political power because I "have girls" and people with money and power think I am the reincarnation of jesus...when I explain what I do their facial expression changes...

but it is not what I thought it would be...I disbanded the big studio because it became a place to hang out and not make money for me...I realized I could make more money by putting each girl in her own apartment, so she would have to work even more to pay for the rent and could work without distraction from other girls...laziness is like a disease...it spreads among girls in a group...my hat goes off to hugh hefner for being able to put up with all that shit...

I am quite sure i saw some serbian girls on pornodan facebook feed. Even Croatia have 2 pornstars(or models, as every joe and moe is called today pornstar)

slapass 10-20-2018 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22352904)
it was my dream to live like hugh hefner...I rented out a 3 story apartment from a football player and reserved the top floor to myself and the models were supposed to be on the first 2...I live in serbia, girls are notoriously hard to recruit here for porn but I did not know this I was new...I only knew that in hungary next door if you give an ad 100 girls will call...I gave several ads in papers "erotic models wanted" and exactly 0 girls called back...I did get replies from dudes, gay dudes and trannies tho...it broke my heart...

but I noticed that there were a lot of "sugar daddy looking for sugar baby" type ads...out of desperation I gave an ad for sugar babies, in hopes of getting to talk to them in person and convincing them with "my" massive apartment...I got a few replies...then I got a great idea, I made a "sugar daddy alliance"...I contacted all the other sugar daddies over email and asked them if they were willing to "exchange sugar babies" and I explained what I do...they loved me...for a while the did the "research" and "talent prospecting" for me...I shot out a circular blind carbon copy email to everybody asking for new girls every week and they would send me photos and I would recycle these photos and send to other sugar daddies back...but I mostly got hookers and they come with their own special set of mental problems...the few semi hookers I got were good material to work with and they had broke friends so I offered them 100$ for any girl that comes to an interview...it grew from there to a point where I had "club jumping girls" go from club to club and chat up slutty looking girls...100$ is a lot for one night and I got hundreds and hundreds of girls over the years to come and work for me...

for a while I made nice money with anastasia date type of sites...non nude, russian bride shit but with chat...I got photo models and A1 girls to do non nude chat but the problem is the prettier a girl is the sooner she finds some sugar daddy and flakes out...

I am by far the biggest recruiter in serbia....there are 0 porn agencies here...zero...porn is legal, hooking is alive and well, but girls do not want to appear on social media one day...we have 0 professional porn actresses, 0 porn companies from serbia and a few shooters who barely make ends meet...they mostly go to hungary and find models there...I would go so far as to say that I even have political power because I "have girls" and people with money and power think I am the reincarnation of jesus...when I explain what I do their facial expression changes...

but it is not what I thought it would be...I disbanded the big studio because it became a place to hang out and not make money for me...I realized I could make more money by putting each girl in her own apartment, so she would have to work even more to pay for the rent and could work without distraction from other girls...laziness is like a disease...it spreads among girls in a group...my hat goes off to hugh hefner for being able to put up with all that shit...

Great post!


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