I need a EU based WARM country . . .
 

where they really do hate Putin and Russia.

Because now it looks like there is none.

Except Poland.


But I said WARM.


Ideas?

I haven't heard anything about Malta loving Russia/Putin... Maybe even Spain and Portugal...

Malta sounds beautiful really.

Bulgaria perhaps. I dont think they are in good terms now

Tiny country (~300k ppl), becoming more expensive, crappy rocky beaches but cleanest sea water in EU...

Half of Bulgaria supports Russia/Putin...
Their sea sucks...

I have checked and it seems like only 3 EU based countries are not dependant on gas from Putin: Portugal, Spain and Ireland.

So, next vacation i'm gonna spend my money in Spain or Portugal.

Only countries which are warm entire year are the on on south, so that means, spain,portugal, south france, south italy, malta,greece and cyprus.
But i think they all love putin :D

Which one is the cheapest what do you think?

Southern Italy? Or Greece? Portugal?

Portugal is quite cheap howmuch i know, i remember one gfyer posted once how he rented entire villa for only 1000 euros monthly. Tho, greece could be cheaper considering they are in economic crisis and people massively moving out.

What the hell are you talking about. We Polish are a tropical people.
The 35c it's been out lately isn't enough?

What's wrong with Putin?

Here we go again :)

Malta, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Croatia, South of France.
And if you want EU to add distance from Russia, you have a wide range of option of oversea destinations :
Madeira, Islas canarias, Azores and closer the to US : Martinique & Guadeloupe

All the above are nice and warm places AND territories which are fully part of the EU. Most people there may do not hate Putin or Russia but they just don't give a flying fuck about them.

Curacao is EU >;)

Croatia is definitely not warm entire year except maybe Dubrovnik which is in deep south. In fact, there was a snow on south after very long time,even on islands.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh . . .

Hungary would be perfect for you.

LOL

Hungary's president Orban is proputin...
It has long and cold winters (warm only in summer)
Boring...

betraying another country?

try Slovenia

fix your head first....
good luck !

Does it need to be adult friendly?

About right.

I need to find out more about Portugal.

Jeez. That was harsh.

Will go see Lubliana soon, it's fairly expensive tho I heard.

More, I'm leaving for Mars betraying the world!

Basically true, that was my first impression of summer in Poland... day time only tho, +35C and humid like Vietnam and then +10 and humid again in the night.
We only talk a couple of days in August :)))))

Been there once, quite awesome!! :thumbsup

Portugal actually will give you a residence without having to pay taxes, it's really the best option in eu at the moment.

Need to check it out, any refs?

It's mostly for older folks already in pension for first 10 years:

https://www.blevinsfranks.com/news/b...-opportunities

Non-Habitual Residents ? Portugal ? EDGE | Portuguese Non-Habitual Residents Regime

I myself live in Portugal, profit from the 10 years tax free opportunity (and don't consider myself among the old folks yet). However to profit from that rule, I had to set up a business construction outside of the country before I started living here, so that the tax authorities consider my earnings as foreign source income. The additional rule is that your foreign source income shouldn't have a tax haven as origin. If you search on Google for 'black list', 'non habitual resident' and 'Portugal' you most likely get to see sources with a list of forbidden source countries. Finally the tax free rule most likely doesn't apply to U.S. citizens, because Uncle Sam still keeps taxing you abroad on your worldwide income unless you officially renounce your U.S. citizenship.

In general, compared to many of the other southern regions mentioned by others, Portugal is damn cheap, unless you live in big cities like Lisbon and Porto. Summers in Portugal can be VERY hot (which causes many forest fires every year) and a bit chilly in the winter. However, in general no snow unless you live high in the mountains. If you prefer a more equal temperature, then the Portuguese island Madeira might be your thing where it is an average 20 degrees Celsius all year long.

Since Portugal still is a pretty conservative catholic country it also means that people aren't very open about sex stuff. For example, topless or completely nude bathing is forbidden by law and as far as I have seen it, there also isn't something like a local industry of porn producers. On the other hand, as long as you don't disturb others with your adult related activities, really nobody gives a damn what the hell you are doing.

Dude come here in GReece ;)

^^Why whats good about it?

gasoline for almost 2 euros, lazy& warm people and taxed to hell (on paper) ?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i have been in portugal this year the first time and i really must say that i have not seen nicer people in europe as there.

nearly everyone speaks english and/or spanish, they are open, friendly, helpful and what i found in the internet it is number one for many reasons.

look here

and here

and here

if i would not have already that much "warm homes" i would chose portugal.

Noice.

I work remotely, US mostly.
Question is do they need a proof of certain income to cover the stay? Would Paxum / Payoneer statement work? Do they want income to be in accordance with contracts - say a an agreement with a US biz entity?

I recall, I guess you are well set on Bali or Thailand. Thanks, checking the refs out.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

Never been to, just basic negative lazy is what everyone says.

Greeks kinda invented lazyness so . . .

I don't know where you are originally from, but for me as an EU citizen the process was pretty simple. I just had to visit the local town hall, show my passport and proof of my new Portuguese home address. Then I had to fill in a form in which you also have to state that you are self sufficient and that you have arranged your own health insurance (a travel health insurance will NOT be enough in that case). So basically, you promise that you won't become a financial burden to Portugal while you stay there and profit from their tax free opportunity.

I didn't have to show any proof of income, but as a rule of thumb they probably consider you to be self sufficient when you earn about 8400 euros per year (which is the minimum wage of about 600 euros times 14 payment periods).

In case of doubt about your personal immigration situation, just contact the Portuguese immigration office. This is their website: https://www.sef.pt/en/Pages/homepage.aspx Don't send them emails nor use their web form. Out of experience I know that they never respond to that. If you have questions, the only way to get answers from them is to actually call them or even better visit a local SEF office while you are in Portugal.

a friend of mine been in Portugal few times also my cousin been abd work there for half a year they both have same opinion - beautiful architecture, warm country and very nice ppl.
and yes, thay also said it's pretty cheap for western country.
if you're independent in adult then i guess you can make living there.

I am a EU long term resident ( Slovenia would be easier for me ), but still have an Ukrainian passport. I have contacted them and they responded in GFY style. I don't think the proof of income would be a lump sum, rather some confirmed bank statement or a contract. Sounds like its easier to go there and ask :)

UPDATE!

Fuck, just translated:

2. The criterion for the determination of means of subsistence shall be made by reference to the minimum monthly salary guaranteed in accordance with article 266 (1) of the Labor Code, hereinafter referred to as RMMG, taking into account their nature and regularity, net of contributions to
social security with the following per capita valuation in each household:
a) First adult 100%;
b) Second or more adults 50%;
c) Children and young people under the age of 18 and
older children in charge 30%.

http://www.imigrante.pt/PagesEN/Legi...t1563_2007.pdf

Apparently, it's the same rule as in Slovenia, but in Portugal the minimum salary is LOWER.

Sounds like Portugal wins.

But the question remains HOW DO I PROVE my FREELANCE income to be considered :)

If you have an official EU citizen status, then there isn't much to worry about that, because you don't have to deal with SEF (that uses a pretty complicated immigration procedure), but can profit from free movement between EU member states and just have to visit the local town hall to register.

In case you still have doubts about having to show proof of income, then I would just take prints of the last 12 monthly statements from Paxum & Payoneer with me. Keep in mind that the immigration rate to Portugal in general is pretty low (below 2% of the total population), so unless you apply for your resident card in the big cities, it's very good possible that you stumble upon civil servants who don't have a clue themselves how such a process exactly works in their computer system and then (after asking a bunch of colleagues for help) 'just' register you. :-) Since not all Portuguese speak English, it can be very helpful if you already speak a bit of Portuguese or Spanish or French to speed up the registration.

Yes, the minimum wage is pretty low in Portugal, but honestly, although life is cheap here, I personally wouldn't have such a nice and relaxed time if I just made 600 euros each month. Unless you are fine with living in a crappy old house or are willing to share a house with others, you already need at least 600 euros per month to rent a decent furnished apartment and pay for your basic utilities. Add to that your costs for groceries (they are cheap), health insurance (rate depends on your age) and maybe costs for transport. Anyway, with just 1.000 euros per month you can already come pretty far. The more you exceed that barrier, the more you can start living like a king. :pimp

Not exactly, there is a SEF form to fill in my case:
Documentos Úteis #3 from top.

Will touch base with the Portugal Embassy and ask them on Monday - but yeah, Paxum / Payoneer, even bank statement.... gotta be sure as of I have family members.

This is only to maintain the status, and it says 600 for the main applicant, 300 for the 2nd adult, and 150 per each kid, so sums it up to be 1200 / mo. Doable, just have to see HOW they want to see it proved.

Also medical insurance. I have a local Polish and a EKUZ card, but once in Portugal - do you suggest having a private one? In Poland the cost is nearly the same for government based and private.

Most likely not valid anymore when you become a permanent Portuguese resident. I myself have an expat health insurance, also because I wasn't sure at first if I really wanted to stay here and that insurance also covers the rest of the world. However, since it's pretty expensive, I am investigating local alternatives now.

If you have the means for it, then try not to depend on the state health insurance, which is part of the Portuguese social security system. Depending on it means only access to state hospital that usually have a very long waiting list for treatments (sometimes people literally have to wait years). Private insurance generally means very short or no waiting for treatments, plus access to private clinics (offering higher quality in health care).

Narnia? :1orglaugh

Yeah .. their sea "totally sucks"

http://visitmybulgaria.com/wp-conten...silistar_3.jpg

http://hotelibg.eu/top%20kurorti/Primorsko/5.jpg

http://travelnews.bg/pic/home~p5Wl1~Ykbvr0_j.jpg