The EU is trying to fuck with Europe.
 

The EU will reduce its trade with the UK, its largest trade partner, in order to punish the UK. Any jobs lost in the EU will be down to the EU losing more than the UK.

But for some reasons, Labour won't get in line to secure the best deal possible for the UK. They would drag the British people into the UK they want nothing to do with.

Its so obvious that the EU are trying to punish the UK and scare any other countries attempt at their own Brexit.
I'm almost hoping for a "no deal" just so we can start fucking the EU back.

Their dilemma is the penalty imposed will hit EU jobs, manufacturing and industry.

Tony Blair signed us up to this without asking the British people if they wanted it. It has done more damage to the British living standards than anything else. The problem is the politicians and bureaucrats love it and now they have to deal with undoing it.

how are you feeling?

A lot better now that I'm home. Still very weak, no appetite and have to have the catheter attached to me. Taking it out runs the risk of my poisoning myself so it stayed in place until I return to the hospital to have the tubes attached to enable me to attach to a dialysis machine.

I think the EU will fragment into a few separate unions within the next 5-10 years...

what a nonsense !
Do you really think that a solidary community like the EU accepts that a member quits, still enjoying the benefits but not contributing any more?

if anyone of the brexit supporters would have a brain they should think about this issue BEFORE they told the people lies and made them vote for the brexit.

and sure they will reduce the trade and do those trades with the rest of the union - THIS WAS IT WAS MADE FOR.

what do you think of a guy what gets separated from his wife - throw her out and comes some times and want to fuck her.

this game have other rules as selfish ones - and yes britain will suffer on that A LOT.
but too late now. now comes the time to prove where populism leads. the EU will survive without britain and all their "uk first rules" and the EU will possibly do a lot better when britain is gone.

but the populists can for sure count on trump - he will help them out :1orglaugh

"what do you think of a guy what gets separated from his wife - throw her out and comes some times and want to fuck her." point taken ! :Graucho

So how would you get your existing customer to replace the loss of your biggest?

You talk nonsense, as usual.

For small nations that are overall receivers from the EU, they have no options. For the larger ones that contribute to the EU and looking to trade outside the EU. They have the option of leaving and continuing to buy/sell to the EU while selling outside and not having to contribute to the EU budgets.

https://www.politico.eu/article/9-th...-money-budget/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...attle-brussels

10 Of The Wackiest Things The European Union Spends Money On - Business Insider

EU 'waste's millions on bizarre projects' - Telegraph

Thommy will now explain why it's good for the richer nations to pour money into a bottomless pit.

no - i will not explain nothing because you will not understand it anyway (as usual).
i´ll better watch your complaints and feel amused that you do not understand why C will happen when you add B to A.

The UK was never Europe and real member of this Union.

They think that they are better from the rest of Europe, they have their own world and stupid people there believed also stupid politics who want the UK out from EU but the same politicians WORKING ON EU and paid from EU! And of course, after the Brexit win, they quit from politics in the UK!

I say exactly the same thing. The EU was made using the same model as the USSR. The Soviet Union has least for 70 years, but everything ends someday....

they have been at least the ones with the most exceptions and special deals and they got the most of what they have paid in back.

the brexit was created with 4 BIG lies

1. lie: britain pays 350 million pound per week

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-R3kre5XlC...lion%2Blie.jpg

the truth is that britain got a special Uk discount PLUS received money back from this pot.
the real number is: 136 million

2. lie: Britain does not need access to the EU market

the truth is that they don´t know now where to sell their goods.

3. lie: Britain limits immigration after Brexit

NOW it sound like this:

Daniel Hannan: We have never said that there will be a radical decline. "Those who believe that there will be no more EU immigration will be disappointed.


4. lie: There is a plan for drawback

NOW: Where is this plan ?
Especially urgent Brexit suddenly seems to be no more. According to Reuters, Johnson wrote in the Daily Telegraph that there is "no great hurry" for the UK to declare its withdrawal from the European Union. Later, Johnson announced surprisingly that he did not want to become the Prime Minister of the UK - taking the matter of Brexit into his own hands.

so what was that?

light a fire and run away when it gets hot ?

I am quite sure that a renewed vote for a brexit would be rejected from a large majority.

brexit and electing trump has approved ONE thing: that a lot of stupid people should not have the right to vote !

can you show me the facts where this countries what have been behind the iron curtain were BEGGING for it ?

NOBODY was forced in the EU and there are still a lot of countries want to join but are not accepted.

name the countries you mean and tell me how they want to make a union without the big and healthy ones ?

some people seems to forget too fast how they have been before the EU.

EU was good for Croatia however it brought a lot of bad things as well, but those bad things were more due lack of preparation/lack of negotiation deals then EU itself. It was like they were looking only for positive things while completely ignoring bad stuff.

You're dead right. The people never wanted or asked to be part of the EU. Blair said he would have a referendum to decide to join. When he knew he would get a no vote he decided to not have one.

It's a Union of countries that have been created by politicians. Whether the people wanted it or not. France, Holland, Eire voted to not join. Eire was told to vote again, France and Holland ignored the will of the people.

£350 million a week into a bottomless pit. Why do you think that's a good thing?

Where will the EU sell their goods after losing the UK as a market?

I agree. The 1% will still make sure there are plenty of low cost workers to take advantage of.

4. lie: There is a plan for drawback

So you no longer believe in democracy. Would you prefer the days of Hitler to return?

Now that's a lie. If Thommy believes it we can see why he's so deluded.

Before the EU there was The Common Market. Common Market founded - Mar 25, 1957 - HISTORY.com

The quality of the referendums shows the type of countries in favour of staying in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refere...European_Union

This shows the quality of countries in line to join. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future...European_Union It's not full of big healthy one, it's 50/50 between unhealthy and healthy. When the UK leaves the balance swings in favour of the unhealthy one. When the newer countries join, the balance swings further. Why not a coalition of only the healthy?

No, we remember how good the Common Market was. We would prefer to return to it. Most of Europe wants out of the EU and back to the Common Market. Pity the politicians won't allow the people to vote.

More reading.

Reality Check: Are 5 countries about to join the EU? - BBC News one can never assume the politicians will veto anyone.

Nobody was forced? For real? LOL :1orglaugh

In fact, the Soviet republics were not forced too (well maybe Baltic countries, but those were used as a buffer between the USSR and Nazi Germany). Others were parts of Russian Empire, so nobody has asked them like the European people are not being asked if they want or don't want to be a part of the USSR version 2. Paul has explained it for you in his post above. But even if 60% vote for the EU, the other 40% don't. So it' so stupid to say they are not forced. Because they are.

90% of Soviet people were happy to live in the USSR, so what? Only 70 years and there is no such a country anymore. I have serious doubts that the EU will least that long...

The EU budget is 157.9 billion Euros. When the UK leaves and after they pay the penalty of £35 billions that bill falls on the shoulders of a few countries who are net contributors. So mostly Germans.

https://europa.eu/european-union/sit...et_2017_en.png

This page explains where most of the money is spent. BBC NEWS | Europe | Spending the EU budget

This shows who contributes the most.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...ts_466x485.gif

Of course, a rebate of some of the money the UK is meaningless. The UK still pays. BBC NEWS | Europe | UK rebate

Don't believe the EU isn't worried http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...arts-hit-home/

Has that spending led to less spending on local politics? No, every country has introduced departments to regulate EU directives. It's led to bigger government spending.

the UK will cherry pick consequences LOL "we will eat the cake and have it at the same time" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Which will be a change from what we have now. Where we pay for cake and end up with stale bread. Unlike broke nations like Serbia.

sure sure...there were no benefits at all..you were victims LOL...we will see in 2-3 years wont we? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

because it is a lie ???

did you not read that?

you argument with the payer is also not correct. if you know how the payments are made in the EU you would know that the countries with the highest wealth pay the most.

that means: UK WAS HEALTHY BECAUSE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THE EU

now the pot is just a bit smaller - means that it will be handled by less countries who distribute a bit more in the pot.

do you REALLY think that this countries who give money to the weaker ones do that with the perspective that those receiver countries will buy outside the EU ?

I don´t know what is wrong with your logic and the logic from anybody who still believes that this will work.

UK will not disappear from the planet but a lot of prosperity will go. and this is NOT because of the EU - it is because of LIES the british people got told.

wait a few years more and see what will happen to scottland and nothern ireland (who did NOT vote for the brexit).

i think that the OPPOSITE of what you are expecting will happen.
not the EU will become smaller - the REST will run INTO the EU.
goodbye british empire !

It is even worse, now the politicians stopped referenda in Holland. It is not possible to organize a referenda anymore in Holland. The government could ignore the outcome of the previous referenda, it was only an advice. But they don't want it anymore cause they didn't like the outcomes. There will be one last referendum in Holland, and that is about privacy that the Dutch government can evesdrop everything. Organisations like Amnesty International are also against that new law... last referendum that the government will ignore.

People wanted a trading Union, not a political Union with the united states of Europe with some president nobody knows or voted for.

So will the US .... at least 3 fragments

stay in South America then :) there is not so much "let's get organized and build new Citadel" mentality there..which in many cases is a good thing :)

everybody is a victim in the EU :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh when everybody leaves the EU all the bad things will simply disappear! poof! like with a magic stick...then a magic box will appear with consequences and a magic genie will ask the leaders "pick which consequences you do not want" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

then the economy will just booom!...it will be an explosion :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I am in Thailand now :) Just visited AW conferences. Maybe have a drink with Thommy in Pattaya where i stay now. But talking about politics, i just stopped most of that talk. Maybe we just can have a drink in a beer bar and think about the future of Europe. Or just have fun.

Will see what happens in Europe while i enjoy the sun and beaches

good decision - i was at the conference too and i am now back here in Pattaya and will have a drink with you at any time you want (as long as you do not bring trump :-)

or even implosion:winkwink::winkwink:

Yes you want EU disbanded and USSR back this is why you work so hard against USA,UK & EU :1orglaugh

Just quoting the figure you gave.

Why should the richest give the most? The logic is skewed when there's no need to give anything. A trade deal can be set up without anyone giving anything. What does Canada pay?

If you want to rule Europe from the centre good for you. Then be willing to pay for it. Centralised power isn't workable with economies so far apart like Greece and Germany. The problem is the EU has made sure there are more countries like Greece than there are like Germany.

Unless they vote Far Right. When the only party offering a referendum is the Far Right, they get the votes.

because this is the way how money can circle. If you do not give to your buyers they will not be able to buy.

and the logic is: as soon as they are getting better they will also do their part and pay in instead of receiving.

very logic or not ?

i am really shocked sometimes how small your knowledge is about economy and how few you know about the facts.

the growth of greece and germany is not so much different anymore. if germany would not fight for helping greece and do what the brits want that money would already been lost.

at the moment greece have a higher growth as britain and germany is only in the middle field.

look here

rumania, what is on top of the list was once the biggest receiver - this year they are near to zero and next year they will be a payer.
so WHERE are all those forcast szenarios ?

but if you want to see a nice forecast than look this one

you had your time of populism and now you have your time to approve that you are right.
but all economic logic says that britain will fail and countries like scottland and northern ireland will leave the UK and join the EU.

and when the time comes when britain awakes and want to correct this big mistake i really hope that they will not receive just a friendly FUCK YOU !

Do you mean free stuff?



So give them loads of free stuff until they are strong.

https://econographics.files.wordpres...by-country.jpg

http://www.businessforscotland.com/w...4/eurodebt.jpg

With your superior knowledge of economics tell me how Romania and Greece doing now. Good luck selling all the lost car sales in Romania. Is that pye chart with the EU pouring money into Romania or not?

It will be very bad for the EU and the UK if there isn't a trade deal. The UK needs to get out and re-establish trade links with the rest of the world. The EU is stuck with the EU and whatever they can cobble together.

paul, go to get some facts and look on the calendar it is nearly 2018 you do not have to come up with numbers from 2012.

it does really not make sense to explain you how economy is working - you are not educated to understand it and that´s why you will never understand why all goes wrong for you and the sites you take.

i would not tell you to go back to school because you are definately too old for that but believe me that there are many many many MUCH more educated people who will tell you the same as i do.

in 2 or 3 years you can see it with your own eyes but i am pretty sure you will not admit the incapability of your knowledge. you will search for another enemy because you can not live with the fact being too stupid for a lot of things.
i would not say that you are the TYPICAL trump supporter but this is what you have in common with them. you talk a lot of bullshit about things that you have neither studied nor even understood in any way.

i am sure you are a big soccerfan. one of this thousands of idiots watching a game and ALL of them know how to play better as the professionals. bad only that most of them aren´t even good enough to play in the last league.

Great, contact you next week. Still having a cold from the airco.
Maybe talk about bitcoin? Is it a ponzi or not :)

Ps, according to this Dutch EU member Paul is right. Just had an interview today.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/...ee-in-zijn-val

The 3 - 4 richer countries will pay, others will receive. Will be a structural transfer from money from north to south.
This will be the case for decades he says. Even France want more more more money.
It will be like Belgium, rich part paying for the poor part. For many many decades.
Only Belgium gives more privileges to the paying part (not possible in the EU)
But just an opinion from a former Dutch EU member (not right wing, but VVD)

So we will see which economist will be right..

You have Markham nailed to the T. He is ignorant and definitely not educated in almost all subjects that he speaks about. He is a troll, no more than that.

that actually makes sense

nordics - baltic - benelux - germaphone - "latin" - balkan - V4

loool - true ! maybe even within streets or better for paul and friends are trading agreements within political groups.

so in that case the "leftwing amsterdam south trading union" against the "rightwing amsterdam south trading union"

So enlightened one please tell us lower beings where you see the growth of the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/bu...img/eu_gdp.gif

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...nflation_3.png

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/i...1371803160.png

http://ablog.typepad.com/.a/6a00e554...6d7c75c970c-pi

You should check the facts before replying.

That has always been the way the EU works. Without the UK the burden falls on the remaining richer nations. Which is why so many are getting deeper into debt.

https://disenchantedscholar.files.wo...s-oct-2013.jpg

Just borrow more money to cover the expense of being in the EU.

A much easier way to break it up would be those who contribute, leaving those who take out behind. Of course, you can opt to keep giving money to the bottomless pit. Romania needs more money to buy more German cars, how much can you afford?